OWS Poll: Good or bad strategy for achieving liberty?

[wizardwatson]

See a lot of OWS threads and thought we needed a poll.

You know, back when RP supporters started the Tea Party everyone was clamoring about how to stop the co-opting, but it seemed by the time it was well known the co-opting was already well entrenched. I see the same thing happening to the OWS movement. Obama is already pumping up his jobs plan, saying its in the interest of OWS, and painting the right as job-destroyers.

So co-opting of large movements that have an identifiable label like OWS or Tea Party is bound to happen no matter what you do.

I've posted a thread on OWS along with quite a few others here at RPF, and I only see a small fraction of support for what OWS and the message its trying to get out. I'm wondering if there's lurkers out there that think OWS is good or bad for achieving liberty. Because at the moment I see mostly name-calling and collectivist labels being applied to OWS on this forum with a minority of people open to the idea of supporting OWS and trying to build bridges between OWS and the wider liberty movement.

So do you think OWS is a net positive strategy for achieving liberty or a net negative? Not asking whether you support OWS as that brings into the fold those who wouldn't support it simply because they have RP2012 as a priority.

[Echoes]

Wow, I cant believe ppl are even debating this. It's a friggin marxist movement, their answer to every problem is give Govt total control. I spent a whole day there and all i saw was free education/healthcare/housing signs, Che shirts, collectivist groups doin batshit crazy religious chants, repeating eachother and waving their arms in unity. Scary shit !

Btw, they even have a website Occupywallstreet.com where they list their outrageous communist demands, of which none includes abolishing the Fed (no suprise).

[pcosmar]

Yet to be seen.
Things will need to get much worse before people get serious about change.
Instead of a few thousand,, you will need millions. and be willing to drop the non-violent attitude.

At that point it depend on whether TPTB can succeed in keeping us fighting each other or whether we target them.

Much is yet to be seen.

[pcosmar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloU

[wizardwatson]

Wow, I cant believe ppl are even debating this. It's a friggin marxist movement, their answer to every problem is give Govt total control. I spent a whole day there and all i saw was free education/healthcare/housing signs, Che shirts, collectivist groups doin batshit crazy religious chants, repeating eachother and waving their arms in unity. Scary shit !

Btw, they even have a website Occupywallstreet.com where they list their outrageous communist demands, of which none includes abolishing the Fed (no suprise).

Checked out the site. Big forum over there, didn't take long to find some anti-paul/pro-paul posts, but what I gather most from it is that the movement is far from a consensus on what the proper message should be but at the same time it seems to me a very grassroots movement.

I think the movement is genuine, and not fully co-opted. So "why even debate this" as you say? Because I personally think the movement has the potential to be a positive force for real change. When we slap a collectivist label on the movement, like socialist or marxist, we are only doing exactly what progressives did to our tea party, and that only helps it be co-opted in my opinion.

[The Free Hornet]

Net Negative. This is fueling the MSM. I saw yesterday on my Roku/Fox channel a couple pundits discussing the need for someone to transcend politics - more or less - and try and unite the disaffected OWS people the tea party types. You would think based on everything they said that "Ron Paul" would be the answer. Nope, it was Herman Cain who has been openly hostile to OWS.

"Negative" because it is paying the salaries of the MSM that miscovers their manufactured crisis/outrage.

Stop sending money to the MSM (cancel your cable/dish). The internet is far better for liberty than OWS.