#OccupyWallStreet, Ron Paul, and Recent Polling

[KingNothing]

http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/18/poll-49-of-occupy-wall-street


On Oct. 10 and 11, Arielle Alter Confino, a senior researcher at my polling firm, interviewed nearly 200 protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park. Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion.

An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote.

Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren't represented by any political party.

What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.

Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement—no matter the cost. By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor. And by a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%).



Do people still think Ron Paul should be associated with these capitalism-hating, Obama-supporting, tax-raising, bailout-supporting, protectionist, redistributionist, lunatics?

[specsaregood]

http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/18/poll-49-of-occupy-wall-street

Do people still think Ron Paul should be associated with these capitalism-hating, Obama-supporting, tax-raising, bailout-supporting, protectionist, redistributionist, lunatics?

What name calling. Let's dissect.


What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.

What these people think of is free market capitalism is not capitalism, this is just a matter of education. Even Moore who put out that movie on "capitalism" was forced to admit that it was not capitalism but corporatism that he was attacking. Also, it seems logical to me that one would support "redistribution of wealth" in a corporatist society. These companies are using the govt to fuck over everybody else and steal from them, of course they are gonna want it back. Protectionist policies once again are a bandaid on the corporatism. A great many of these people hate corporatism, it is an educational issue.



Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement—no matter the cost. By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor. And by a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%).

I'd change that to, the government has a moral responsibility to foster an environment where all citizens can afford healthcare, a college education and retirement. I bet if the interviewer had change the wording to that, they would have gotten the same # of responses. They are wrong about the problem but at least they are awake enough to recognize that there is one.

I don't know if Dr. Paul should be "associated" with them; but the values he promotes sure should be brought to them in the proper light.

[InTradePro]

"Protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%)"

Definitely BS. Brings the whole credibility of the poll and article into question.

[KingNothing]

I'd change that to, the government has a moral responsibility to foster an environment where all citizens can afford healthcare, a college education and retirement.

But they wouldn't. That is such an important point that you can't just gloss over it. They want "government" to provide for these things, and nearly half of them support bank bailouts and Obama. These people are not our friends and what they advocate won't put America on a path to success.

[KingNothing]

"Protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%)"

Definitely BS. Brings the whole credibility of the poll and artilce into question.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Ask that question to hundreds of Ron Paul supporters, or any group who cares about Liberty and understands free markets. Think they'd be split on the issue?

[specsaregood]

But they wouldn't. That is such an important point that you can't just gloss over it. They want "government" to provide for these things, and nearly half of them support bank bailouts and Obama. These people are not our friends and what they advocate won't put America on a path to success.

That is your interpretation. Sorry, but I make friends of every persuasion. according to the polls about 90% of americans advocate govt force and keeping america on the wrong path. It isn't limited to this crew.

[speciallyblend]

http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/18/poll-49-of-occupy-wall-street

are you saying that no individuals are at this protest and that they all think the same? exactly





Do people still think Ron Paul should be associated with these capitalism-hating, Obama-supporting, tax-raising, bailout-supporting, protectionist, redistributionist, lunatics?

are you saying that no individuals are at this protest and that they all think the same? exactly using your argument, the same could be said of the gop from the right!!

[tremendoustie]

http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/18/poll-49-of-occupy-wall-street





Do people still think Ron Paul should be associated with these capitalism-hating, Obama-supporting, tax-raising, bailout-supporting, protectionist, redistributionist, lunatics?

What really gets me is the near 50% support for bailouts. Half the people there aren't anticorporatist at all, they're just redsitributionists.

[Brett85]

"Protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%)"

Definitely BS. Brings the whole credibility of the poll and article into question.

Why is this BS? Most liberals I know supported the bank bailouts.

[Brett85]

are you saying that no individuals are at this protest and that they all think the same? exactly using your argument, the same could be said of the gop from the right!!

Conduct a poll among tea party activists, and you'll probably find that over 90% of them oppose the bank bailouts.

[Brett85]

The only good thing about this poll is that it shows that a majority of these people are so left wing that they won't actually vote to re-elect Obama. Obama apparently isn't enough of a socialist for them.

[Anti Federalist]

Conduct a poll among tea party activists, and you'll probably find that over 90% of them oppose the bank bailouts.

Which again, proves the point that there is widespread ignorance and confusion amongst the populace.

These same "tea partiers" will line up behind Cain or Romney, if I'm not mistaken, both of whom were in favor of the bailouts.

[KingNothing]

What really gets me is the near 50% support for bailouts. Half the people there aren't anticorporatist at all, they're just redsitributionists.

Completely agree. They just want to be the folks who determines who gets what.

[Brett85]

Which again, proves the point that there is widespread ignorance and confusion amongst the populace.

These same "tea partiers" will line up behind Cain or Romney, if I'm not mistaken, both of whom were in favor of the bailouts.

That's true, but a lot of tea partiers may support Cain even though they disagree with him on the bank bailouts. Others may not realize that he supported the bank bailouts. I still maintain that if there was a candidate in the race who had Ron's positions who could sell his positions better, that candidate would be up with Cain and Romney in the polls. I don't mean to criticize Ron, but I think that if you were to substitute somebody like Tom Woods for Ron in the debates, you would see an enormous difference.

[specsaregood]

Why is this BS? Most liberals I know supported the bank bailouts.
And yet the majority of the people in that poll oppose them. :) Maybe they aren't liberals then?

[InTradePro]

Why is this BS? Most liberals I know supported the bank bailouts.

Liberals maybe but not the protestors in those percentages.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tcnBglcgR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tcnBglcgR8

[HeyArchie]

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[specsaregood]

Liberals maybe but not the protestors in those percentages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tcnBglcgR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tcnBglcgR8

The big ass secret that both sides of the establishment wants to keep hidden away is that these protestors have more in common with the early tea party protestors than either has in common with the corporatocracy in charge of both major political parties..

[Brett85]

And yet the majority of the people in that poll oppose them. :) Maybe they aren't liberals then?

Liberals don't always agree with his other on every single issue. But it's very obvious that these are left wing protestors who don't believe in free enterprise. You can go ahead and support them if you wish, but I sure hope that Ron doesn't get involved in this in any way whatsoever.