LOL: Biggest issue for OWS folks? Other OWS folks.

[Cowlesy]

These poor kids out of work, struggling to get by, getting their $5,500 computers stolen. Oh, the humanity!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK


“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.
“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1b9 DDSxEL


At one point yesterday, Wyman and other volunteers briefly scuffled with a man who was standing near a park entrance with a pail calling out: “Donations! Donations!” -- and pocketing the cash people tossed in the bucket.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1b9 DQafRg

(sucker born every minute)

[klamath]

Ah how nice, she is sharing the wealth. I wish i could afford 5500 dollar computers.

[AuH20]

An armed society is a polite society. I hate Bloomberg.

[brandon]

hahah wow that's too fitting.

[WarNoMore]

hahahaha. But capitalism is the problem. You see we have to get rid of the capitalist system. Once we do that nobody would ever have the desire to be selfish ever again! Stealing? Blame capitalism. Fraud? Blame capitalism. Profiteering? Blame capitalism. It's not as if people want to provide the best for themselves naturally, and some will do evil things to accomplish that goal regardless of the laws of the land or the system in place. It's all capitalism's fault.

[pcosmar]

Meh, It's New York.

Amazing that with all those police, thieves still roam the streets.

[Cowlesy]

Well hopefully they just keep robbing each other and are prevented from lobbying the government to rob us further.

[dannno]

I doubt most of the people stealing are actually apart of the movement.

[pcosmar]

Well hopefully they just keep robbing each other and are prevented from lobbying the government to rob us further.

I really don't expect they can sway them from robbing us as it is. The thief Lobbies are firmly entrenched.

[dannno]

My roommate has been keeping a $1,000 projector, macbook air and speakers down at the protest, they've spent at least a week and a half or so out of the house down there.

[Cowlesy]

I just don't understand why the protesters even care. I mean don't we all need to share in the redistribution of our wealth? Maybe the thief didn't have a Macbook Pro which he should be entitled to as a universal human right.

If anything they should be pro-having-their-possessions re-distributed.

[specsaregood]

I doubt most of the people stealing are actually apart of the movement.

Is that because people that are part of "the movement" -- although the word movement seems ironic since they are actually staying still and occupying, but I digress -- expect to have somebody steal for them?

[moostraks]

I just don't understand why the protesters even care. I mean don't we all need to share in the redistribution of our wealth? Maybe the thief didn't have a Macbook Pro which he should be entitled to as a universal human right.

If anything they should be pro-having-their-possessions re-distributed.

:) does seem rather karma like that this should happen...

[FrankRep]

I doubt most of the people stealing are actually apart of the movement.
Redistribution of wealth. That's what OWS is about.

[Brian4Liberty]

Ah how nice, she is sharing the wealth.

Lol! One day she will be issued her very own Apple IIe by her totalitarian communist government as a reparation.


I doubt most of the people stealing are actually apart of the movement.

They haven't even begun to see the stealing that will result from their communist utopia. The Wall St. people will still be at the top stealing as leading members of the Great Party, and the vermin around them in the streets will be stealing the crumbs from their empty plates.

[dannno]

Redistribution of wealth. That's what OWS is about.

Yes, it is primarily about the redistribution of wealth from the poor and middle class to the big banks and corporations. That's why they are complaining.

[Philhelm]

Meh, It's New York.

Amazing that with all those police, thieves still roam the streets.

Not really. It's not like the police actively seek out real criminals.

[Jingles]

Well its just stupid to camp-out in NYC with expensive things and expect them not to get stolen. It would be like me deciding to live on the streets of north philly and just leave my computer, tv, and a sound system laying out in the open. Its just a dumb thing to do...

[Schiff_FTW]

Yes, it is primarily about the redistribution of wealth from the poor and middle class to the big banks and corporations. That's why they are complaining.

Their solution? Give more power to the government which is controlled by those very same big banks and corporations. What a bunch of useful idiots.

[wizardwatson]

OWS should hire their own security complete with shirts, hats, pepper spray, tasers, walkie talkies, and big black boots..and perhaps a dorky orange vest.

They do this at raves to keep the violence out. Could be a good way to negate the need for riot control if they policed themselves, would also cut down on the theft factor and instigator factor.

[pcosmar]

These poor kids out of work, struggling to get by, getting their $5,500 computers stolen. Oh, the humanity!!!!!!!!!




(sucker born every minute)

Seems so. Tell me,, How does a student located in Japan (via , His Blog), Lose a laptop in NY ?(from his FB profile)
http://kingsnake2.wordpress.com/
Can you say "Bullshit" ??

Kind of sad to see folks rejoicing in the misfortunes of others.
:(

[VoluntaryAmerican]

OWS should hire their own security complete with shirts, hats, pepper spray, tasers, walkie talkies, and big black boots..and perhaps a dorky orange vest.

They do this at raves to keep the violence out. Could be a good way to negate the need for riot control if they policed themselves, would also cut down on the theft factor and instigator factor.

You forgot grow a funny mustache, march single file, and smash windows.

[AuH20]

I wonder how many OWSers are pro-2nd amendment or defer to the state regarding the protection of oneself as well as their own private property.

[pcosmar]

I wonder how many OWSers are pro-2nd amendment or defer to the state regarding the protection of oneself as well as their own private property.

Being it is New York,,rather few have 2nd amendment available to them.
They are also trying to remain a peaceful movement.

And third,, it does say that they confronted one who was stealing, and are organizing a local watch.

[angelatc]

Well hopefully they just keep robbing each other and are prevented from lobbying the government to rob us further.

It's isn't robbing - it's wealth redistribution.

I wonder why the health department hasn't shut down their kitchen yet? It's certainly bigger than the lemonade stands that were targeted over the summer.

[FrankRep]

Being it is New York,,rather few have 2nd amendment available to them.
They are also trying to remain a peaceful movement.
Did you just justify their anti-2nd amendment position?


And third,, it does say that they confronted one who was stealing, and are organizing a local watch.

Sounds anti-Libertarian to me. They're going to create their own police force? nice. lol.

[dannno]

Their solution? Give more power to the government which is controlled by those very same big banks and corporations. What a bunch of useful idiots.

Actually that is not a consensus among the group by any means.

[angelatc]

Yes, it is primarily about the redistribution of wealth from the poor and middle class to the big banks and corporations. That's why they are complaining.

Exactly. They only want the power to control who gets my money. They have no interest in letting me keep it.

[specsaregood]

Sounds anti-Libertarian to me. They're going to create their own police force? nice. lol.

Please explain how that is anti-Libertarian?

[FrankRep]

Glenn Beck has fun with the story:

Occupy Wall Street Cash and Computers Plundered by Thieves
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/what-do-the-protesters-say-is-their-biggest-problem-how-about-stealing/

[pcosmar]

Did you just justify their anti-2nd amendment position?



Sounds anti-Libertarian to me. They're going to create their own police force? nice. lol.

No. I said the second amendment is not an option to them, and that they are non violent.
I offered no justification for New Yorks unconstitutional laws. (there is none)

And self organizing into "neighborhood watches" follows the militia model (even dis-armed).


and that was a piss poor attempt at twisting my words.

[dannno]

Did you just justify their anti-2nd amendment position?


He justified why they may hold their beliefs. Someone who grows up in a city where there exists gun control sees an environment where there is a lot of unnecessary gun violence and can be easily convinced that gun laws are necessary for their protection.

When they realize that the gun violence stems from an unjust economic system that creates poverty, and that gun laws actually encourage criminals because it means that law abiding citizens don't have guns and criminals do, then they have the opportunity to change their mind. Until that information is presented to them, or they happen to think of it on their own, they will likely continue to believe in gun laws.




Sounds anti-Libertarian to me. They're going to create their own police force? nice. lol.

Wow, after all the talk of libertarians preferring local voluntary and community based protection, you think this is ANTI-libertarian??? You have a lot to learn about libertarianism.

[FrankRep]

Sounds anti-Libertarian to me. They're going to create their own police force? nice. lol.


Wow, after all the talk of libertarians preferring local voluntary and community based protection, you think this is ANTI-libertarian??? You have a lot to learn about libertarianism.

I hear so many Libertarians wanting to abolish the police just to turn around and create another police force.

[angelatc]

Please explain how that is anti-Libertarian?

I think he's got Libertarianism mixed up with anarchy.

[dannno]

Exactly. They only want the power to control who gets my money. They have no interest in letting me keep it.

I think they care about poor people more than rich people and don't truly understand the mechanism by which this transfer that I spoke of is currently taking place. They think that capitalism is causing rich people to get richer and poorer to get poorer, and if you include corporatism in your definition of capitalism, then that is precisely what is happening.

Fortunately people who believe in the free market are able to separate those things.

[specsaregood]

I think he's got Libertarianism mixed up with anarchy.

I used to like frank too; seems he got twisted up with too much breitbart propaganda.

[dannno]

I think he's got Libertarianism mixed up with anarchy.

lol.. wow, so you rail against anarchy on here all day but don't even know that anarchists are also philosophically ok with voluntary, community based protection? This is practically a cornerstone of their philosophy.

[pcosmar]

I think he's got Libertarianism mixed up with anarchy.

I'm pretty sure he is just mixed up.

[dannno]

I hear so many Libertarians wanting to abolish the police just to turn around and create another police force.

Because government has a monopoly on force thus can enforce any law whereas a community or economically based security teams do not have a monopoly and are subject to the demands of the users/payers of said service.

How do the people who argue on here against anarchy all day not understand the basic concepts of the system they are arguing against?

[FrankRep]

I think he's got Libertarianism mixed up with anarchy.

The problem is that Libertarianism is too damn broad and that's why the term "Libertarian" annoys me. Anarchy is a form of Libertarianism.


Wikipedia: Libertarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Anarchism)

Libertarianism can be broadly divided into the following four political philosophies. Anarchism is incompatible with geolibertarianism. Left-libertarianism and libertarian socialism are incompatible with right-libertarianism.


- Anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Anarchism)

- Geolibertarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Geolibertarianism)

- Left-libertarianism and libertarian socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Left-libertarianism_and_libertarian_socialism)

- Right-libertarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Right-libertarianism)

[Cowlesy]

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/agD82NUZGK2RRlHHA7Cfng--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNTA7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2011-10-16T001337Z_01_BKS10_RTRIDSP_3_USA-WALLSTREET-PROTESTS-BOSTON.jpg

Bridge too far for me.

You want to blame the rich? Blame congress for bailing out the banks and saving the system. Oh wait, Obama's in charge, so n/m...he's cool and all.

[Revolution9]

It's isn't robbing - it's wealth redistribution.

I wonder why the health department hasn't shut down their kitchen yet? It's certainly bigger than the lemonade stands that were targeted over the summer.

Not sold.

Rev9

[pcosmar]

Deliberate Division

I responded that this was BULLSHIT. I had checked the post that claimed to have had a laptop stolen.

It was a lie. A blatant lie. This morning I got a private message, From a new poster claiming to be this same student...


Me (Kingsnake2)



Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
These poor kids out of work, struggling to get by, getting their $5,500 computers stolen. Oh, the humanity!!!!!!!!!




(sucker born every minute)
Seems so. Tell me,, How does a student located in Japan (via , His Blog), Lose a laptop in NY ?(from his FB profile)
http://kingsnake2.wordpress.com/
Can you say "Bullshit" ??

Kind of sad to see folks rejoicing in the misfortunes of others.
I would just like to say that I did not lose my laptop. Largely because I am in Japan and not at OWS.

For that matter, I do not support OWS, I was simply making a satirical comment about the person who did have a laptop stolen. If you look back at the news article you will notice that I simply quoted the "$5500 laptop" part and proceeded to say "Economic inequality, huh..."

As in "Huh....you are protesting the rich while you yourself own a laptop roughly 8 times more expensive than mine."

Just to clear a few things up.

Now, if you would like to read about my little adventures in Japan, you are free to read:

kingsnake2.wordpress.com

Most people have found it fairly entertaining.


PS: Mildly impressive internet snooping lol

-kingsnake2


You know folks, There is an effort to divide. It is not an innocent or accidental effort.
It is a deliberate effort to keep the people of this (or any other) country from coming together against the Money Masters.

I may have to start a new thread on that. I hate bumping this bullshit,,, But this thread was based on a LIE, promoted by media and then by people here.
Don't promote Lies. Don't had to the division. Don't help our enemies.

[FrankRep]

Don't had to the division. Don't help our enemies.

http://old.tehrantimes.com/News/11194/05_CHINA-IP.jpg


Communist China: Occupy Wall Street's Issues Worth Thought (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_WALL_STREET_PROTESTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-17-07-40-45)


Associated Press
Oct 17, 2011


China's foreign ministry said Monday the Occupy Wall Street movement highlights issues that are worth considering, but that debates generated by the protests should promote global economic growth.
...

"We feel that there are issues here that are worth pondering," said Liu Weimin, a foreign ministry spokesman during a regular briefing in Beijing.

"We have also noticed that in the media there has been a lot of commentary, discussion and reflection. But we think that all of these reflections should be conducive to maintaining the sound and steady development of the world economy," Liu said, without elaborating.

The state-run Global Times newspaper said in an editorial that the Chinese should "calmly observe the protest movement and the global situation, and not be confused by extreme points of view."
...


Full Story:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_WALL_STREET_PROTESTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-17-07-40-45



Related articles:

George Soros Touts China as Leader of New World Order (http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/5226-george-soros-touts-china-as-leader-of-new-world-order)

Big Soros Money Linked to “Occupy Wall Street” (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9269-big-soros-money-linked-to-occupy-wall-street)

Unions, Socialists Join Forces to "Occupy Wall Street" (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9214-unions-socialists-join-forces-to-occupy-wall-street)

"Smash Capitalism!" Say the Wall Street Protesters (http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/sam-blumenfeld/9390-qsmash-capitalismq-say-the-wall-street-protesters)

“Occupy Wall Street” Goes Global as Violence Erupts in Rome (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/9403-occupy-wall-street-goes-global-as-violence-erupts-in-rome)

“Day of Rage” Wall St. Occupation Sparks Fears (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8967-day-of-rage-wall-st-occupation-sparks-fears)

[specsaregood]

Deliberate Division
I responded that this was BULLSHIT. I had checked the post that claimed to have had a laptop stolen.
It was a lie. A blatant lie. This morning I got a private message, From a new poster claiming to be this same student...
You know folks, There is an effort to divide. It is not an innocent or accidental effort.
It is a deliberate effort to keep the people of this (or any other) country from coming together against the Money Masters.

I may have to start a new thread on that. I hate bumping this bullshit,,, But this thread was based on a LIE, promoted by media and then by people here.
Don't promote Lies. Don't had to the division. Don't help our enemies.

That is true, Dr. Paul called them out for it last night too.

[pcosmar]

[IMG]

"We feel that there are issues here that are worth pondering," said Liu Weimin, a foreign ministry spokesman

...



He is right.

[specsaregood]

He is right.

Indeed he is. I would hope Frank agrees with the communist chinese. Is it not worth pondering why the banks on wall street get bailed out by the taxpayer (and our debtholders) for fraud and malinvestment they brought upon themselves?

[FrankRep]

He is right.

George Soros agrees.

George Soros Touts China as Leader of New World Order
http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/5226-george-soros-touts-china-as-leader-of-new-world-order

[specsaregood]

George Soros agrees.
George Soros Touts China as Leader of New World Order
http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/5226-george-soros-touts-china-as-leader-of-new-world-order

Oh look, its the frankrep troll posting unrelated B.S. So Frank, you are on the side of the bailed out bankers now?

[MRoCkEd]

Did you see Stossel went to down OWS? They shouted "liar!" and "shame on you!" at him..

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-stossel-visits-occupy-wall-street-things-get-ugly/

[specsaregood]

Did you see Stossel went to down OWS? They shouted "liar!" and "shame on you!" at him..
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-stossel-visits-occupy-wall-street-things-get-ugly/

I remember seeing chris matthews getting heckled down there. did that bother you as well?

[angelatc]

I'm pretty sure he is just mixed up.

That happens a lot around here. :)

[FrankRep]

That happens a lot around here. :)

The problem is that Libertarianism is too damn broad and that's why the term "Libertarian" annoys me. Anarchy is a form of Libertarianism.


Wikipedia: Libertarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Anarchism)

Libertarianism can be broadly divided into the following four political philosophies. Anarchism is incompatible with geolibertarianism. Left-libertarianism and libertarian socialism are incompatible with right-libertarianism.


- Anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Anarchism)

- Geolibertarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Geolibertarianism)

- Left-libertarianism and libertarian socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Left-libertarianism_and_libertarian_socialism)

- Right-libertarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Right-libertarianism)

[angelatc]

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/agD82NUZGK2RRlHHA7Cfng--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNTA7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2011-10-16T001337Z_01_BKS10_RTRIDSP_3_USA-WALLSTREET-PROTESTS-BOSTON.jpg

Bridge too far for me.

You want to blame the rich? Blame congress for bailing out the banks and saving the system. Oh wait, Obama's in charge, so n/m...he's cool and all.

I"ve said it before, and I'm saying it again: it took them 4 years to get pissed off about the bank bailouts? The TEA Party reacted immediately, and it was dismissed as astroturf and controlled opposition.

These Marxists waited 4 years to start chanting, and we're supposed to believe that this spontaneous. That the fact that this is occurring right before an election where they could lose a significant chunk of power is just a coincidence. This can't possibly be a distraction from foreign policy, or the green energy fiasco, or the guns-for-money scandals....no, this time the media is telling me I need to believe it's real.

Even in these forums, the people who routinely spit at Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint, the GOP and the TEA Party, people who honestly believe that the government and the NWO is behind every flu vaccine and natural death in the news are now crying and begging - we shouldn't let "them" separate "us?"

Screw that hard.

And by the way, putting the "End The Fed" message in this crowd will do nothing but isolate it from mainstream America. Congratulations, you dumb fuckers - you're creating Truther 2.0.

[pcosmar]

Did you see Stossel went to down OWS? They shouted "liar!" and "shame on you!" at him..

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-stossel-visits-occupy-wall-street-things-get-ugly/

What was he doing there? Was he there with or representing the Corporate Media?
The Same Media that is Blacking out Ron Paul, and is selling wars and distorting news for their Masters on a regular basis?

[kuckfeynes]

I'd rather be bled to death by corporations than unite under socialist principles. At least let me die with my dignity.

[pcosmar]

Screw that hard.

The "Marxists" came in with Adbusters. They are the plants.
They are part of the problem and part of the deliberate attempt to co-opt this movement.
They did not start it,, and should be ignored as the distraction they are.

[FrankRep]

What was he doing there? Was he there with or representing the Corporate Media?
The Same Media that is Blacking out Ron Paul, and is selling wars and distorting news for their Masters on a regular basis?
Did pcosmar just go anti-John Stossel?

[specsaregood]

Did pcosmar just go anti-John Stossel?

Sounded to me like he went anti-foxnews and anti-corporate-shill media. how many of those people on OWS do you figure knew who the hell stossel was?

[angelatc]

The "Marxists" came in with Adbusters. They are the plants.
They are part of the problem and part of the deliberate attempt to co-opt this movement.
They did not start it,, and should be ignored as the distraction they are.

Ignore this: This movement is being successfully branded as a socialist / marxist movement. Putting the "End The Fed' signs in the pictures is the death knell for the movement. Thank God Paul isn't running again. This is unintended (yet entirely predictable) suicide is painful to watch.

[pcosmar]

Did pcosmar just go anti-John Stossel?

Nope. Anti- Corporate Media. Anti-Propaganda machine.
I doubt any of these folks (or few of them) even know anything of Stossel other than a "Talking Head" and the Major Media Logos that were displayed.

The mainstream media is pretty much just a spin machine.

Check out Ron Paul's coverage.

[FrankRep]

Nope. Anti- Corporate Media. Anti-Propaganda machine.
I doubt any of these folks (or few of them) even know anything of Stossel other than a "Talking Head" and the Major Media Logos that were displayed.
I'm guessing that John Stossel's small government ideas will be rejected by the "Tax The Rich!" crowd anyway.

[angelatc]

The "Marxists" came in with Adbusters. They are the plants.
They are part of the problem and part of the deliberate attempt to co-opt this movement.
They did not start it,, and should be ignored as the distraction they are.

You don't think that anonymous is marxist? You don't think that this crap is just another preplanned chapter, a continuation of the European unrest? Because I do.

[angelatc]

Nope. Anti- Corporate Media. Anti-Propaganda machine.
I doubt any of these folks (or few of them) even know anything of Stossel other than a "Talking Head" and the Major Media Logos that were displayed.

The mainstream media is pretty much just a spin machine.

Check out Ron Paul's coverage.

If they don't know Stossel / Fox News, why do they hate them? At least we have a specific reason. From what you just said, they've only been told to hate them, and so they do.

[specsaregood]

I'm guessing that John Stossel's small government ideas will be rejected by the "Tax The Rich!" crowd anyway.

So they are just like the modern tea party and republican establishment in that regard, interesting.

[angelatc]

So they are just like the modern tea party and republican establishment in that regard, interesting.

The modern tea party likes the idea of small government. That's how they're different than the establishment.

[AuH20]

So they are just like the modern tea party and republican establishment in that regard, interesting.

At least the Tea party purged a fair share of establishment politicians during the last primary cycle. Where aren't the OWS calling for the ousting of banking establishment types like Charles Schumer and Barack Obama? Why no angst being directed at Barney Frank for the Dodd-Frank giveaway?

[FrankRep]

So they are just like the modern tea party and republican establishment in that regard, interesting.
The Tea Party lacks generally on their views of Foreign policy.

[specsaregood]

The modern tea party likes the idea of small government. That's how they're different than the establishment.
They like to talk platitudes about it; but it doesn't seem like they mean it. When I look at it, they seem to be saying the same thing. Small government for everything I disagree with and big government for my concerns.


At least the Tea party purged a fair share of establishment politicians during the last primary cycle. Where aren't the OWS calling for the ousting of banking establishment types like Charles Schumer and Barack Obama? Why no angst being directed at Barney Frank for the Dodd-Frank giveaway?
Now that is a fair enough point.

[moostraks]

What was he doing there? Was he there with or representing the Corporate Media?
The Same Media that is Blacking out Ron Paul, and is selling wars and distorting news for their Masters on a regular basis?

What they did was ignorant if they knew the individual (Stossel). He might be one of the few that could give positive voice for them to their (supposed from the rage spewed) opposition. It just looks like a 2 year old temper tantrum on steroids...a lot of energy wasted with no coherent direction.

My take on this is that most of those partaking in this seem to have a list of demands while the people here you seem frustrated with for not participating really just want to be left alone, not given anything. The tone of the anger along with the repercussions we are wise to will occur leave those of us who still have some semblance of a decent reputation or property or family the state could seize hesitant to join what seems like an unorganized screamfest of rage.

Do you really think they will listen to demands from the streets like this? I think they have the right to complain if that makes them feel better but much like all our wasted phone calls and emails, it falls on deaf ears.

[moostraks]

They like to talk platitudes about it; but it doesn't seem like they mean it. When I look at it, they seem to be saying the same thing. Small government for everything I disagree with and big government for my concerns.



I got that impression as well...

[specsaregood]

I got that impression as well...

just let me know when all those "tea party" people give back their hovearound chairs they got for "free".

[moostraks]

just let me know when all those "tea party" people give back their hovearound chairs they got for "free".
:D ouch...

[FrankRep]

just let me know when all those "tea party" people give back their hovearound chairs they got for "free".

:D ouch...
Those evil old people that you're talking about paid Medicare Taxes so it wasn't "free."

[Johnny Appleseed]

Wall st isn't all suits and ties there are a lot of retirees, mom and pop business owner investment.

OWSers feed the dog then want to beat it

OWSers need to sacrifice their own corporate dependence.

cause=sacrifice don't be anti-corporatism, be pro-barter-ism. pro self sufficient, pro recycle reuse repair, don't be anti-nwo be pro localization...go out of your way and maybe spend more to buy local products goods and services.

[specsaregood]

Those evil old people paid Medicare Taxes so it wasn't "free."
LOL, you are delusional then.

Our country is effing broke and you want to claim these people are all entitled to free driving chair things. Just like I said, small government for everybody else.

[Brian4Liberty]

I"ve said it before, and I'm saying it again: it took them 4 years to get pissed off about the bank bailouts? The TEA Party reacted immediately, and it was dismissed as astroturf and controlled opposition.


I was thinking the same thing. They are a little late to the party. I would guess that it's not really the banker bailouts that they are opposed to. They assumed that they would get a bailout after the bankers. They thought that they were standing in line right behind the bankers and that their handout would come next, especially when their savior Obama Christ was elected. Silly communist mundanes.

Yes, I am using the term "they" as a gross generalization, but I am really speaking about the Marxists in the crowd. There are a variety of people out there, and any of them that actually protested the initial bailouts are excluded from the above analysis.

[dannno]

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/agD82NUZGK2RRlHHA7Cfng--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNTA7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2011-10-16T001337Z_01_BKS10_RTRIDSP_3_USA-WALLSTREET-PROTESTS-BOSTON.jpg

Bridge too far for me.

You want to blame the rich? Blame congress for bailing out the banks and saving the system. Oh wait, Obama's in charge, so n/m...he's cool and all.

I highly doubt any of those people like Obama, although they probably did vote for him.

[dannno]

Did you see Stossel went to down OWS? They shouted "liar!" and "shame on you!" at him..

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-stossel-visits-occupy-wall-street-things-get-ugly/

lol, it's not like they know who he is. If they knew he wasn't against our foreign empire and the war on drugs they wouldn't have treated him like that.

[FrankRep]

lol, it's not like they know who he is. If they knew he wasn't against our foreign empire and the war on drugs they wouldn't have treated him like that.

John Stossel to OWS supporter: Why is Capitalism bad?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b12-v2jlawQ


Stossel Shouted Down in Occupy Wall Street
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/%e2%80%98you%e2%80%99re-a-son-of-a-bit%e2%80%99-john-stossel-shouted-down-by-angry-occupy-mob/

[specsaregood]

John Stossel to OWS supporter: Why is Capitalism bad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b12-v2jlawQ


Funny, the guy he is talking to clearly says "communism is bad" as well at :25.

[FrankRep]

...

[FrankRep]

Funny, the guy he is talking to clearly says "communism is bad" as well at :25.
OWS supporter: "Capitalism is bad"

Stossel: How did you get your sign and hat if Capitalism is bad?

[FrankRep]

OWS supporter: "You lie Stossel. I heard you on TV, I know that you lie!" (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/%e2%80%98you%e2%80%99re-a-son-of-a-bit%e2%80%99-john-stossel-shouted-down-by-angry-occupy-mob/)


http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Snapz-Pro-XScreenSnapz0263-204x200.jpg

[specsaregood]

OWS supporter: "Capitalism is bad"

Stossel: How did you get your sign and hat if Capitalism is bad?
you should get your hearing checked. the OWS person he is replying to says "communism is bad" at :25.

Either that or I do. Its a tough one. It sounds to me like he is against communism and capitalism.

[FrankRep]

you should get your hearing checked. the OWS person he is replying to says "communism is bad" at :25.

Either that or I do. Its a tough one. It sounds to me like he is against communism and capitalism.

Why did Stossel say this: "How did you get your sign and hat if Capitalism is bad?"

:cool:

[Cowlesy]

I highly doubt any of those people like Obama, although they probably did vote for him.

I highly doubt your statement is correct. :P

[dannno]

OWS supporter: "Capitalism is bad"

Stossel: How did you get your sign and hat if Capitalism is bad?

How'd you get your bread, water, full time job working the fields and your pair of overalls if Communism is bad?

[dannno]

I highly doubt your statement is correct. :P

Again, I don't know ANYBODY who likes Obama anymore, I know A LOT of progressives who are perfect molds of the socialist OWS types.

[AuH20]

Again, I don't know ANYBODY who likes Obama anymore, I know A LOT of progressives who are perfect molds of the socialist OWS types.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am9nhC38PYo

[specsaregood]

Why did Stossel say this: "How did you get your sign and hat if Capitalism is bad?"
:cool:

Well it set the narrative didnt it. :) Made you think the protestor said that. Did you actually hear the protestor say it? I think I hear him say communism is bad at :25, which is after stossel says "capitalism is bad"

Then it sounded like the guy started to go off on why capitalism AND communism is bad. Probably one of those get rid of all money types.

[dannno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am9nhC38PYo

I can't watch youtube at work, but you can find anything on youtube. I'm sure there are plenty of people who watch MSNBC all day going to these protests as well.

[FrankRep]

Well it set the narrative didnt it. :) Made you think the protestor said that. Did you actually hear the protestor say it? I think I hear him say communism is bad at :25, which is after stossel says "capitalism is bad"

Then it sounded like the guy started to go off on why capitalism AND communism is bad. Probably one of those get rid of all money types.

Did you just admit to lying?

[MRoCkEd]

Funny, the guy he is talking to clearly says "communism is bad" as well at :25.
"Yeah, capitalism is bad and I think we need to actively embrace socialism."

[FrankRep]

"Yeah, capitalism is bad and I think we need to actively embrace socialism."

:cool::cool::cool:

Related news:

Big Soros Money Linked to “Occupy Wall Street” (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9269-big-soros-money-linked-to-occupy-wall-street)

Unions, Socialists Join Forces to "Occupy Wall Street" (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9214-unions-socialists-join-forces-to-occupy-wall-street)

"Smash Capitalism!" Say the Wall Street Protesters (http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/sam-blumenfeld/9390-qsmash-capitalismq-say-the-wall-street-protesters)

“Occupy Wall Street” Goes Global as Violence Erupts in Rome (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/9403-occupy-wall-street-goes-global-as-violence-erupts-in-rome)

“Day of Rage” Wall St. Occupation Sparks Fears (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8967-day-of-rage-wall-st-occupation-sparks-fears)

[specsaregood]

Did you just admit to lying?
Uhm, what is your native language frank? Because clearly, english isn't getting through to you.

[FrankRep]

lol, it's not like they know who he is.

Occupy Wall Street: You Lie John Stossel, You Lie All The Time, I Heard You on TV!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA7X9FAwUS0

[moostraks]

Again, I don't know ANYBODY who likes Obama anymore, I know A LOT of progressives who are perfect molds of the socialist OWS types.

We had a thread on a birth board on BBC that contradicts your personal experiences. Many still support Obama and feel that they can excuse his faults because it is STILL Bush's fault. It is really sad as these are new mothers who are shaping the future.

(BTW I owe AF a huge apology when I argued with him a while back over safety mom's and political views....my apologies)

[Brian4Liberty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am9nhC38PYo

Ignorant masses.

[Brian4Liberty]

No doubt the OWS protestors vary greatly from one city to another.

[moostraks]

"Yeah, capitalism is bad and I think we need to actively embrace socialism."

the first part is garbled to me but kinda sounds like he knocks capitalism and communism definitely heard him say actively embrace socialism...

[heavenlyboy34]

We had a thread on a birth board on BBC that contradicts your personal experiences. Many still support Obama and feel that they can excuse his faults because it is STILL Bush's fault. It is really sad as these are new mothers who are shaping the future.

(BTW I owe AF a huge apology when I argued with him a while back over safety mom's and political views....my apologies)
Just post it in his profile message thingy. He responds pretty quickly to those.

[angelatc]

just let me know when all those "tea party" people give back their hovearound chairs they got for "free".

Their point on that is a valid one, and it is the same one that Paul makes: they are the same people that actually paid into that system for 40 years.

[flightlesskiwi]

Occupy Wall Street: You Lie John Stossel, You Lie All The Time, I Heard You on TV!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA7X9FAwUS0


oh. my. gravy. billo. epic fail. "taxing the rich is different than using force to take your stuff".

FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!!

[specsaregood]

./

[angelatc]

Again, I don't know ANYBODY who likes Obama anymore, I know A LOT of progressives who are perfect molds of the socialist OWS types.

Well, watch what happens when it comes time to vote and see if it matters if they actually like him or not.

[Noob]

How about using fake photos to show more protesters than there really is?

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/TWS-101911_occupy-wall-street-photo-fake.html

[pcosmar]

Well, watch what happens when it comes time to vote and see if it matters if they actually like him or not.

That will depend a lot on who the choices are.

[dannno]

Well, watch what happens when it comes time to vote and see if it matters if they actually like him or not.

Whether it is now or whether it comes time, if there are any OWS protesters with pro-Obama signs at any protest I'm at, I will ask them why they support a mass murderer without batting an eye.

[dannno]

Occupy Wall Street: You Lie John Stossel, You Lie All The Time, I Heard You on TV!


Again, can't watch the tubes, but the guy is probably lying or confusing him with someone else.. Or he just happened to tune in on a day he dealt with economic issues rather than civil liberties and our foreign empire. I guarentee if I went up to that guy and said, "John Stossel is against our foreign empire, wants to end the wars overseas and wants to end the war on drugs" he would immediately change his attitude about him.

[dannno]

How about using fake photos to show more protesters than there really is?

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/TWS-101911_occupy-wall-street-photo-fake.html

How many people do you think it took to photoshop that image and distribute it?

[angelatc]

They paid in 40 years ago so they could get high-tech mobile carts now? I think not. There is no extra money, they are entitled to basic healthcare at most not every fancy device. Maybe a basic fold up wheelchair; but that is it.

I'm not sure you're qualified to determine what they're entitled to. And I'm not saying the money is there, but I am saying their point is a valid one. Like it or not, they paid into a system, and they feel entitled to use that system now that they qualify. I have a lot more sympathy for them than I do the college kids and general overall society leeches who've done nothing but take from the system their entire lives.

[specsaregood]

I'm not sure you're qualified to determine what they're entitled to. And I'm not saying the money is there, but I am saying their point is a valid one. Like it or not, they paid into a system, and they feel entitled to use that system now that they qualify. I have a lot more sympathy for them than I do the college kids and general overall society leeches who've done nothing but take from the system their entire lives.

Who was it that ran up our 15trillion dollar deficit? it wasn't college kids; but they are gonna get stuck with the bill.

[dannno]

I'm not sure you're qualified to determine what they're entitled to. And I'm not saying the money is there, but I am saying their point is a valid one. Like it or not, they paid into a system, and they feel entitled to use that system now that they qualify. I have a lot more sympathy for them than I do the college kids and general overall society leeches who've done nothing but take from the system their entire lives.

Ron Paul also mentioned in a recent debate that people are taking 3 times out of medicare what they put in, on average. It's not sustainable.

[Wesker1982]

Anyone who goes to OWS should pass this out

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4466/corporatismpicture.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/corporatismpicture.jpg/)

[pcosmar]

This thread based on a lying ass post by someone not even there is still going on?

Media propaganda in full effect.

[AuH20]

Anyone who goes to OWS should pass this out

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4466/corporatismpicture.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/corporatismpicture.jpg/)

the problem is that they're hooked into this destructive social justice crusade. This ties into the narrative of going after those who are more financially well-off, even it's only 100 dollars more. Until they stop seeing inequality in their sleep, they'll never awaken to the grand scheme.

[pcosmar]

the problem is that they're hooked into this destructive social justice crusade. .
An interview with David Degraw and Bill Black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y3oP1aN5FVM

[angelatc]

Ron Paul also mentioned in a recent debate that people are taking 3 times out of medicare what they put in, on average. It's not sustainable.

Take this point to OWS and see how far you get.

I'm not saying it is sustainable, and I'm not saying that it isn't a Ponzi scheme. I am saying that people were told they would have health coverage when they were older because they were paying into a government program, and they planned accordingly. It is absolutely ridiculous to say they have no legitimate expectation of getting what they were promised, and it's politically retarded imply that Paul is going to kick them out into the cold because they didn't vote libertarian 50 years ago.

For starts, Paul has never advocated doing that.

[angelatc]

This thread based on a lying ass post by someone not even there is still going on?

Media propaganda in full effect.

The media has convinced you that this is legit, it seems.

[specsaregood]

I am saying that people were told they would have health coverage when they were older because they were paying into a government program, and they planned accordingly.

And I'm saying times are tough, it is a ponzi scheme and providing health coverage shouldn't mean everybody that "paid in" gets a mercedes class powered scooter. Everybody needs to suck it up a bit.

[pcosmar]

The media has convinced you that this is legit, it seems.

What is legit? The post about a $5500 laptop being stolen. (the subject of this thread) that I already proved was a lie.

Or the media focus on all the petty side issues rather than Ending the Fed and Central bank monopoly?

[kingsnake2]

Seems so. Tell me,, How does a student located in Japan (via , His Blog), Lose a laptop in NY ?(from his FB profile)
http://kingsnake2.wordpress.com/
Can you say "Bullshit" ??

Kind of sad to see folks rejoicing in the misfortunes of others.
:(

I would like to clear up that I did not lose my laptop.

I am in Tokyo, Japan. I simply made a satirical remark at the bottom of that article with my facebook account. It said "lost my $5500 laptop" to which I remarked "Economic inequality huh?"

But impressive snoop work lol. I notice I was getting an odd number of visits on my blog from a forum I had never heard of.

[pcosmar]

I would like to clear up that I did not lose my laptop.

I am in Tokyo, Japan. I simply made a satirical remark at the bottom of that article with my facebook account. It said "lost my $5500 laptop" to which I remarked "Economic inequality huh?"

But impressive snoop work lol. I notice I was getting an odd number of visits on my blog from a forum I had never heard of.

Perhaps you will stick around and learn what the Federal Reserve really does.
And why it should die.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y3oP1aN5FVM

[BamaAla]

If you've got a $5,500 computer and enough time to hang out in NYC doing nothing, you had nothing to piss and moan about in the first place.

[pcosmar]

If you've got a $5,500 computer and enough time to hang out in NYC doing nothing, you had nothing to piss and moan about in the first place.

BamaAla,, He is not in New York. And he did not have a Laptop stolen there.

But divisive propaganda it the whole point of this thread right,, Don't let facts confuse the issue,,, what ever that was.

[Seraphim]

The cops are the theives, half the time. (In NY).


Meh, It's New York.

Amazing that with all those police, thieves still roam the streets.

[kingsnake2]

Perhaps you will stick around and learn what the Federal Reserve really does.
And why it should die.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y3oP1aN5FVM
I am fairly well accuanted. I am an econ and finance major. I may post something longer when back at my dorm.

[klamath]

This thread based on a lying ass post by someone not even there is still going on?

Media propaganda in full effect.

No all you proved is you don't know how to read quotation marks. He never said his computer was stolen, he was quoting the article in his comment.

[klamath]

I would like to clear up that I did not lose my laptop.

I am in Tokyo, Japan. I simply made a satirical remark at the bottom of that article with my facebook account. It said "lost my $5500 laptop" to which I remarked "Economic inequality huh?"

But impressive snoop work lol. I notice I was getting an odd number of visits on my blog from a forum I had never heard of.
Checked out your blog. Nice pictures of Japan.

[pcosmar]

No all you proved is you don't know how to read quotation marks. He never said his computer was stolen, he was quoting the article in his comment.

OK,I read it from the comments,,,then I looked up prices on Mac books. A MacBook Pro is considerably less than $5500.

I still call it bullshit, and a propaganda piece.

And no,, I don't doubt there are thieves in New York.

[klamath]

OK,I read it from the comments,,,then I looked up prices on Mac books. A MacBook Pro is considerably less than $5500.

I still call it bullshit, and a propaganda piece.

And no,, I don't doubt there are thieves in New York.
And I still believe that there are thieves within the OWS. Many believe it is their right. The article quoted what a OWS volunteer said her computer was worth.

[UWDude]

Ive been ows for 2 days straight now. there are lots of sketchy people, and there are lots of great people. And when they read us our "20 point demands" from the "national Assembly" most people's faces were scowls, and in closer conversation, everybody I talked to saw it for exactly what it was, an attemtp to co-opt and end it early by the Clinton political machine.

[UWDude]

If you've got a $5,500 computer and enough time to hang out in NYC doing nothing, you had nothing to piss and moan about in the first place.

except the wars and banker bailouts. :rolleyes: