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Tina
10-16-2011, 11:30 AM
David DeGraw – one of the primary Wall Street protest organizers – just sent me the following email:


Top MoveOn leaders / executives are all over national television speaking for the movement. fully appreciate the help and support of MoveOn, but the MSM is clearly using them as the spokespeople for OWS. This is an blatant attempt to fracture the 99% into a Democratic Party organization. The leadership of MoveON are Democratic Party operatives. they are divide and conquer pawns. For years they ignored Wall Street protests to keep complete focus on the Republicans, in favor of Goldman's Obama and Wall Street's Democratic leadership.

If anyone at Move On or Daily Kos would like to have a public debate about these comments, we invite it.

Please help us stop this divide and conquer attempt.

DeGraw - who is wholly non-partisan [like the writers at Washington's Blog] - tells me that about half of the protesters are liberals, but the other half are libertarians (and see this.)

This mirrors what one of the original organizers of the "Occupy Trenton" protest told me: MoveOn attempted to set the agenda and pretend it was their event.

As I noted last week:


Everyone’s trying to cash in on the courage and conviction of the Wall Street protesters.

People are trying to associate Occupy Wall Street with their pet projects, in the same way that advertisers try to associate the goodwill of the Super Bowl, NBA playoffs, World Series or Olympics with their product.

But I hear from OWS organizers that the protesters come from totally diverse political affiliations. Many protesters support Ron Paul, many like Obama, others are for other parties or candidates or don’t vote at all.

The protesters themselves are having none of it, tweeting today:


We don’t want to be the democratic tea party or liberal tea party. We want to be our own movement separate of any political affiliation.

Update: Another tweet from the protesters:


We don’t represent liberal interests nor are we the liberal tea party. We represent the interest of the 99%

And as I pointed out Tuesday:


The two main challenges [facing the protesters are]: (1) An attempt by both the Democratic and Republican parties to co-opt it (see this, this and this); and (2) agents provocateur (see this, this and this) [and here].


http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/7898-focus-ows-organizers-blast-moveon

JoshLowry
10-16-2011, 11:36 AM
Top MoveOn leaders / executives are all over national television speaking for the movement. fully appreciate the help and support of MoveOn, but the MSM is clearly using them as the spokespeople for OWS. This is an blatant attempt to fracture the 99% into a Democratic Party organization.

Tell him they did the same with Tea Parties.

Only top down controlled sites are permitted to be promoted by one side and then attacked by the other hand. They keep ALL promotions in the family, even negative ones.

Ala Becks 912 Project, Tea Party Express, etc...

FrankRep
10-16-2011, 12:19 PM
David DeGraw – one of the primary Wall Street protest organizers – just sent me the following email:

This is an blatant attempt to fracture the 99% into a Democratic Party organization. The leadership of MoveON are Democratic Party operatives.

David DeGraw is going to learn an important lesson. He's going to learn that it's hard to control an angry mob and the group with the loudest outspoken voice will have the biggest influence.

David DeGraw is delusional if he thinks he's in control. The Communists/Socialists have mastered the art of controlling angry mobs.

Aratus
10-16-2011, 12:33 PM
ows is several orgs in morph mode?

pcosmar
10-16-2011, 12:36 PM
David DeGraw is going to learn an important lesson. He's going to learn that it's hard to control an angry mob and the group with the loudest outspoken voice will have the biggest influence.

David DeGraw is delusional if he thinks he's in control. The Communists/Socialists have mastered the art of controlling angry mobs.

He does not "Think he is in control". He was one of the primary motivators though and is warning of being co-opted.

Read some of his stuff. He mirrors Ron Paul (on the Federal Reserve) and I believe he may even be supportive of him, but keeps his site Non Partisan.

JoshLowry
10-16-2011, 12:38 PM
Please help us stop this divide and conquer attempt.

What's 99% divided by 1?

:D

pcosmar
10-16-2011, 12:42 PM
What's 99% divided by 1?

:D
What is the 99% divided by the false Right/Left paradigm?

Answer= inefective

There are many that want division.

FrankRep
10-16-2011, 12:52 PM
He does not "Think he is in control". He was one of the primary motivators though and is warning of being co-opted.

Read some of his stuff. He mirrors Ron Paul (on the Federal Reserve) and I believe he may even be supportive of him, but keeps his site Non Partisan.

As I said, he's going to learn an important lesson about large angry mobs.

Becker
10-16-2011, 12:56 PM
David DeGraw is going to learn an important lesson. He's going to learn that it's hard to control an angry mob and the group with the loudest outspoken voice will have the biggest influence.

David DeGraw is delusional if he thinks he's in control. The Communists/Socialists have mastered the art of controlling angry mobs.

"an angry mob and the group with the loudest outspoken voice will have the biggest influence." is that what you call people who are more powerful and have more support than your cause? Do you not see how if your movement, whether Ron Paul's election, End The Fed, Tea Party are to be successful, there's an inevitable stage where you will see that?

affa
10-16-2011, 01:03 PM
the media is complicit in the coopting of the OWS, and people here are far too ready to believe the media on this one.

here we have thousands in the street, and people find every reason to stay home they can. rather than put their own voice and/or sign out there, they read ones hand picked by the media to 'represent' the thousands.

sad. our movement can be quashed the same way - media control.

pcosmar
10-16-2011, 01:04 PM
As I said, he's going to learn an important lesson about large angry mobs.

I would rather that the Federal Reserve and the Federal Government learned about large angry mobs.

Not large enough yet,, not angry enough yet.

but it's comin'.

Becker
10-16-2011, 01:44 PM
I would rather that the Federal Reserve and the Federal Government learned about large angry mobs.

Not large enough yet,, not angry enough yet.

but it's comin'.

that's his point, you might not only get your targeted, but also collateral damage.

pcosmar
10-16-2011, 01:51 PM
that's his point, you might not only get your targeted, but also collateral damage.

If Frank and others like him have their way we will have civil war. With Americans all fighting each other rather than those that are the real criminals.
I, would like to avoid that.

pcosmar
10-16-2011, 02:18 PM
asked by JoshLowry
Should we be promoting this guy? I know nothing about him or his site

I only know by what I have read. And by what he is promoting.
I have posted links and ask that folks read what he has written. He and his site were behind the original OpESR that this whole movement grew out of.

He is not running for office nor promoting anyone for running for office.
He is relevant, as he was one of the motivators of this whole thing.

The "99%" came from his writing. And did so back in Feb of 2010,, before any protests started across the world.

I am not promoting him,, I am asking that people READ. (I learned at 4 yrs old)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?322139-Wayback-Machine.-%28when-did-this-start-%29

pcosmar
10-16-2011, 02:35 PM
Found on an OWS supporters blog,

http://jischinger.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/fomo.jpg

Anti Federalist
10-16-2011, 02:38 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JoshLowry again.
Tell him they did the same with Tea Parties.

Only top down controlled sites are permitted to be promoted by one side and then attacked by the other hand. They keep ALL promotions in the family, even negative ones.

Ala Becks 912 Project, Tea Party Express, etc...

Anti Federalist
10-16-2011, 02:41 PM
+rep


Found on an OWS supporters blog,

http://jischinger.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/fomo.jpg

Tina
10-16-2011, 03:00 PM
Can you provide the link? Thanks

FrankRep
10-16-2011, 03:05 PM
I would rather that the Federal Reserve and the Federal Government learned about large angry mobs.

Not large enough yet,, not angry enough yet.

but it's comin'.

Pick up a history book. Read about the French and Bolshevik revolution.

pcosmar
10-16-2011, 03:11 PM
Can you provide the link? Thanks

The blog?
here,
http://jischinger.wordpress.com/

pcosmar
10-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Pick up a history book. Read about the French and Bolshevik revolution.
Speaking of reading.
Have you read any of the links I provided?

I didn't think so.

Tina
10-16-2011, 03:47 PM
The blog?
here,
http://jischinger.wordpress.com/

Thanks! much appreciated.