Occupy Wall Street gaining POSITIVE mainstream media coverage!

[WiZKiD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx6bYBJi2kw

Wow, what can I say.
This is the first time I've ever seen OWS discussed in such an indepth, nonbiased and heated conversation, if you'd call it that.
I'm so proud they've gained recognition.


I'm curious as to your opinions on the OWS movement?

[Sematary]

I'm with you

[Jtorsella]

This is the first time I've ever seen OWS discussed in such an indepth, nonbiased and heated conversation, if you'd call it that.
I'm so proud they've gained recognition.
First of all welcome to the forums! Secondly, there are many differences of opinion here on RPF about OWS. I personally disagree with you, and think that the media has been giving them OVERWHELMINGLY positive coverage. I also don't want to mischaracterize them, but the only things that i've seen are bad. They generally want free college, health care, and other things. You've got people calling for violent revolution and getting cheered. You've got hateful anti-semites who are spewing garbage. IMO if this was a tea party rally then they would be decimated by the media. The worst thing i've heard is a protester with AIDS throwing body liquids onto a police officer. They are testing him for HIV now.

[Contumacious]

First of all welcome to the forums! Secondly, there are many differences of opinion here on RPF about OWS. I personally disagree with you, and think that the media has been giving them OVERWHELMINGLY positive coverage. I also don't want to mischaracterize them, but the only things that i've seen are bad. They generally want free college, health care, and other things. You've got people calling for violent revolution and getting cheered. You've got hateful anti-semites who are spewing garbage. IMO if this was a tea party rally then they would be decimated by the media. The worst thing i've heard is a protester with AIDS throwing body liquids onto a police officer. They are testing him for HIV now.

The New Republic Slams Occupy Wall Street as "anti-capitalist" ( http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/14/the-new-republic-slams-occupy)

Matt Welch | October 14, 2011

One of the core differences between liberals and radicals is that liberals are capitalists. They believe in a capitalism that is democratically regulated—that seeks to level an unfair economic playing field so that all citizens have the freedom to make what they want of their lives. But these are not the principles we are hearing from the protesters. Instead, we are hearing calls for the upending of capitalism entirely.

[Jtorsella]

The New Republic Slams Occupy Wall Street as "anti-capitalist" ( http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/14/the-new-republic-slams-occupy)
Well, if TNR condemns a liberal protest, then we know it's pretty radical.

[NewRightLibertarian]

No shit, it's getting positive media coverage. It has been set-up by the elites to keep the empire going. We just have to co-opt it and make it about the Fed.

[pcosmar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ykuvUh5W8

[Sematary]

While I think that we (Ron Paul supporters) see the problem differently and see different solutions, I'm happy to see that America is FINALLY waking up to the problems and are taking to the street in an effort to bring attention to those problems. That's why I think WE should be supporting them.

[WiZKiD]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/12/1025555/-Open-Letter-to-that-53-Guy

This might be handy, just found it

[pcosmar]

No shit, it's getting positive media coverage. It has been set-up by the elites to keep the empire going. We just have to co-opt it and make it about the Fed.

IT WAS originally about the Federal Reserve.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XySGw-g2tyk

[Jtorsella]

While I think that we (Ron Paul supporters) see the problem differently and see different solutions, I'm happy to see that America is FINALLY waking up to the problems and are taking to the street in an effort to bring attention to those problems. That's why I think WE should be supporting them.
That's the exact same thing as saying that the communist revolution in Russia was great because they are "FINALLY waking up to the problems and are taking to the street in an effort to bring attention to those problems". It doesn't matter what problems they care about. They are wrong. We should not be supporting them.

[NewRightLibertarian]

That's the exact same thing as saying that the communist revolution in Russia was great because they are "FINALLY waking up to the problems and are taking to the street in an effort to bring attention to those problems". It doesn't matter what problems they care about. They are wrong. We should not be supporting them.

We should be working on infiltrating and co-opting them. What Kokesh did at the D.C. protest was great; we should at least be putting cameras in these people's faces and making them look like the fools they are.

[Jtorsella]

We should be working on infiltrating and co-opting them. What Kokesh did at the D.C. protest was great; we should at least be putting cameras in these people's faces and making them look like the fools they are.
I completely agree. It's probable, however, that they are too large now. I just have a problem with people who say that we should respect them for bringing the debate forward.

[NewRightLibertarian]

I completely agree. It's probable, however, that they are too large now. I just have a problem with people who say that we should respect them for bringing the debate forward.

I agree that they haven't done shit for the debate. The tea party has been a million times more effective than these bozos at influencing the debate toward legitimate concerns.

[pcosmar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5xRaQnHGA0

[Tina]

While I think that we (Ron Paul supporters) see the problem differently and see different solutions, I'm happy to see that America is FINALLY waking up to the problems and are taking to the street in an effort to bring attention to those problems. That's why I think WE should be supporting them.

I agree.

[Contumacious]

Well, if TNR condemns a liberal protest, then we know it's pretty radical.

" The other gem in chapter two immediately follows the observation that the proletariat must first seize control of "political supremacy". Once that is accomplished, well, Marx and Engels say it best: "The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state…" ( http://lewrockwell.com/orig/keller5.html)The Democrats, like the Communists, realize that by dividing people into groups, all with a chip on their shoulder against the oppressor, they can vote themselves chunks of the oppressors’ property. Let’s call this the politics of jealousy and victimhood."

So one group of fascists do not want to control the economy to the extent that another group of fascists do.

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[pcosmar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEuNTEzuToI

[Endgame]

We should be working on infiltrating and co-opting them. What Kokesh did at the D.C. protest was great; we should at least be putting cameras in these people's faces and making them look like the fools they are.

Using phrases like "infiltrating and co-opting"... it's buying into the frame that we're doing something illegitimate by going there to make ourselves heard and promote discussion of ideas. You need to have a stronger frame than that if you want to affect anything. There are a lot of people there who are just pissed off and very open minded. Calling them fools won't lead anywhere.

You're not going to get far arguing with a union leader or Michael Moore. Everyone else there is worth talking to. The 20-something college dropout that hasn't showered in days, is stoned out of their mind on who knows what, has metal in their face, and is wearing a t-shirt full of socialist slogans is worth talking to. Talk to them, see what they're about, bounce some ideas off them.

The occupy protests, and the tea party are just signs that a lot of people are pissed off and know something is wrong here, and neither should be marginalized. We're the only ones that run in both these circles. To simplify things, the right sees problems with the government, the left sees problems with corporations and we see problems with all of that.

We're seeing civil unrest, maybe even the beginning of a revolution, everywhere. If you don't get out there now, you never will. This is our time.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Using phrases like "infiltrating and co-opting"... it's buying into the frame that we're doing something illegitimate by going there to make ourselves heard and promote discussion of ideas. You need to have a stronger frame than that if you want to affect anything. There are a lot of people there who are just pissed off and very open minded. Calling them fools won't lead anywhere.

I'm just calling a spade a spade. If co-opting and infiltrating their Marxist protests doesn't work, make them look like idiots. I say extend the olive branch but if their mob mentality idiocy makes them block out any reason, expose them for the fools that they are.


You're not going to get far arguing with a union leader or Michael Moore. Everyone else there is worth talking to. The 20-something college dropout that hasn't showered in days, is stoned out of their mind on who knows what, has metal in their face, and is wearing a t-shirt full of socialist slogans is worth talking to. Talk to them, see what they're about, bounce some ideas off them.The occupy protests, and the tea party are just signs that a lot of people are pissed off and know something is wrong here, and neither should be marginalized. We're the only ones that run in both these circles. To simplify things, the right sees problems with the government, the left sees problems with corporations and we see problems with all of that. This is our time.

I totally agree. The more revolutionary the atmosphere and the more pissed off people are, the better.

[Contumacious]

The occupy protests, and the tea party are just signs that a lot of people are pissed off and know something is wrong here, and neither should be marginalized. We're the only ones that run in both these circles. To simplify things, the right sees problems with the government, the left sees problems with corporations and we see problems with all of that. This is our time.

And what is the truth?

The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it.”
― Ayn Rand

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[pcosmar]

I'm just calling a spade a spade. If co-opting and infiltrating their Marxist protests doesn't work, make them look like idiots.

What makes you think the Marxists are not the plants and infiltrators? Put there to sway opinion?

Why would they protest against the central banks? That is the 5th plank of communism.

[WiZKiD]

And what is the truth?

The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it.”
― Ayn Rand

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This isn't the exact quote that I was told but I will relay it back to the best of my abilities;

On the 7th day God contemplated where to hide the 'truth,'
He pondered for a moment, 'I shall hide it at the bottom of the ocean,'
No that's no good he thought, one day man will have the technology to seek and find it.
'I shall put hide it at the furthest star,' then once again he thought this was not a good idea.

Finally he decided to hide the eternal bliss inside each and every single one of us, so only the worthy are able to find it.

Not really relevant but I found it motivating for spiritual progression.

[angelatc]

What makes you think the Marxists are not the plants and infiltrators? Put there to sway opinion?

Why would they protest against the central banks? That is the 5th plank of communism.

They're not opposed to central banks. They're opposed to private banks. If the government were to sieze all the equity and assets of the banks and announce banking would now be the sole domain of the state, those worthless pieces of flesh would be cheering.

[Contumacious]

What makes you think the Marxists are not the plants and infiltrators? Put there to sway opinion?

Why would they protest against the central banks? That is the 5th plank of communism.

The protestors are expressing disapproval of the status quo. They purportedly rally against "Capitalism" even though the US abandoned Capitalism in the early 1900's.

Hence they erroneously believe that the Federal Reserve Board is a capitalist institution.

Government education is doing a fantastic job in creating mass confusion.

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[Johnny Appleseed]

WE feed the machine.

[klamath]

generally it HAS been positive all along.

[WiZKiD]

generally it HAS been positive all along.
define positive?, how the media has been portraying (and continue to do so) OWS supporters/protesters is completely inaccurate and skews lots of peoples opinions on the movement.

[Sematary]

I agree that they haven't done shit for the debate. The tea party has been a million times more effective than these bozos at influencing the debate toward legitimate concerns.

The tea party was coopted by the neocons. It hasn't done anything but make things worse.

[NewRightLibertarian]

The tea party was coopted by the neocons. It hasn't done anything but make things worse.

Do you realize that the Paul's are apart of the tea party? Don't buy the narrative that the fake corporate media is trying to sell you, we are still very much apart of the tea party. The tea party has gotten small government and the constitutionality of government into the mainstream and it's gotten many good candidates elected.

[A Son of Liberty]

Do you realize that the Paul's are apart of the tea party? Don't buy the narrative that the fake corporate media is trying to sell you, we are still very much apart of the tea party. The tea party has gotten small government and the constitutionality of government into the mainstream and it's gotten many good candidates elected.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWbPzK7RIQE&feature=channel_video_title

(Disclaimer: I do not endorse everything said in this video)

[nbhadja]

I don't care what the protesters are as long as the oppose the central banker status quo. They could be a bunch of Dennis Kucinichs and I would support them.

But are these protesters focusing on the Federal Reserve and foreign policy? And talking against the Fed and the Wars while at the same time supporting candidates who support the Fed and the Wars DOES NOT count.

[Aratus]

vintage capra~corn and the coop's "meet john doe"
got a 21st century hollywood + vine apt make~over?

[Brett85]

This is the perfect thread to illustrate why so many conservative Republicans won't support Ron. He has a lot of left wing supporters who diminish Ron's conservatism.

[pcosmar]

This is the perfect thread to illustrate why so many conservative Republicans won't support Ron. He has a lot of left wing supporters who diminish Ron's conservatism.
Ron Paul calls Occupy Wall Street a ‘legitimate effort’
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/05/ron-paul-calls-occupy-wall-street-a-legitimate-effort

[ItsTime]

As predicted the movement is growing into Obama's reelection mob.

[Brett85]

Ron Paul calls Occupy Wall Street a ‘legitimate effort’
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/05/ron-paul-calls-occupy-wall-street-a-legitimate-effort

Well, Ron himself apparently doesn't understand that this is a left wing movement. This is a movement that's calling for an end to capitalism. I'm sure that's why my two far left uncles have attended these rallies.

[pcosmar]

As predicted the movement is growing into Obama's reelection mob.

http://jischinger.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/fomo.jpg

http://jischinger.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/liar.jpg

Obviously.
:rolleyes:

[Rothbardian Girl]

Left-wing does not necessarily equate to anti-capitalism. There are plenty of right-wingers who don't like capitalism, either. I agree that Ron should be careful about what he says about OWS for the purposes of getting the GOP nomination. But I don't see any of his statements being used to attack him in the MSM about the OWS movement. Granted, I haven't watched FOX in a little while.

[Sematary]

http://jischinger.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/fomo.jpg

http://jischinger.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/liar.jpg

Obviously.
:rolleyes:

Some people here will not give them any due because they can't. All they see is leftists and hippies, etc... JUST as the media describes them - the same media they rail against every OTHER time they speak.

[Tina]

Some people here will not give them any due because they can't. All they see is leftists and hippies, etc... JUST as the media describes them - the same media they rail against every OTHER time they speak.

Rather ironic isn't it.

[heavenlyboy34]

That's the exact same thing as saying that the communist revolution in Russia was great because they are "FINALLY waking up to the problems and are taking to the street in an effort to bring attention to those problems". It doesn't matter what problems they care about. They are wrong. We should not be supporting them.

Talk about dramatic over-exaggeration! :eek: The Russian Revolution involved the murder of the Czar and his family, a brutal civil war, and large scale unrest and social insanity. The OWS movement has problems in their reasoning, but building a coalition with them and educating them could be helpful in the long run the battle between humanity and the State.

[ItsTime]

Some people here will not give them any due because they can't. All they see is leftists and hippies, etc... JUST as the media describes them - the same media they rail against every OTHER time they speak.

And some of us have seen and talked to the people on the ground and a few pictures does not change the fact that I was screamed at by Obama crazed robots at OWS in my area.

[wgadget]

I have a question for those who think we should avoid OWS: Where do you get your news? Do you listen to Limbaugh/Hannity/Beck/Boortz/Medved/Savage et al?

[ItsTime]

See we all can post picuters. This from info wars. This was in the Austin OWS.

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/pptv_tiles/october2011/071011rot2.jpg

Yup looks like something I can get behind!

http://www.lrionline.com/wp-content/uploads/op.SEIU_Tax.jpeg

http://www.seiu.org/2011/10/seiu-supports-occupywallstreet.php

Yup let me get my name on that! woot kill the rich! higher taxes! jobs are a right!

[nobody's_hero]

Ratigan RantAgain.