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Throwback280s
10-15-2011, 10:28 AM
The usually hawkish WorldNetDaily.com published this new article today which systematically dismantles the neocon case for war. This is how you beat the opponents at they're own game! Share it.



As a conservative, I find recent Republican statements on Iran troubling. Not only is mainline Republican doctrine on Iran rooted in liberalism, it endangers America and enables foreign nationalists such as Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Republicans rightly criticize liberals for avoiding sober policy analysis in favor of knee-jerk emotional appeals. Take health care. Opponents of further federal medical intervention are deemed insensitive to sick people. Unfortunately, many Republican candidates and commentators use this same tactic when discussing Iran. Anyone who opposes sanctions or military threats against Iran must be against national defense.
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Some interventionists may mock this strategy as "blaming America first." In doing so, they are blaming America's first: the Founding Fathers whose foreign policy they have unwisely abandoned.



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=355981

Okie RP fan
10-15-2011, 10:37 AM
The issue of Iran is the biggest roadblock that I run into with people. Not response wise, but people immediately discrediting and slandering RP on the issue. From what I have observed, he's lost more votes from people who were beginning to come around to him because his apparent views on Iran. Most people don't even care about the drug issue at this point.

Throwback280s
10-15-2011, 10:39 AM
Right. This piece uses the rhetoric and language necessary to convert such people.

Sola_Fide
10-15-2011, 10:42 AM
Great article for the war hawks. Thanks for posting.

bluesc
10-15-2011, 10:43 AM
Molotov Mitchell of that site endorsed Ron a month ago, and got hate mail claiming he "hates Israel", and (Mitchell is an Israel firster), he explained Ron's position and how it is better for Israel. That whole site is becoming pro-RP, apparently. Ron can change these peoples minds.

_b_
10-15-2011, 10:54 AM
The comment to the article says Iran will strike Israel because Ahmadinejad said they would. So we should listen to what Ahmadinejad says and take him at his word and believe fully that he will do what he claims he wants to do.

Of course, anyone who considers what Osama said is blaming America for 9/11, despite the fact that what he said has already come true (dragging us into bankrupting wars in the Middle East).

Throwback280s
10-15-2011, 11:52 AM
This point bares significant repeating:


Furthermore, even if Iran did acquire a nuclear weapon, why would they strike Israel? Such a strike would kill thousands of Palestinians and potentially destroy the Dome of the Rock, the second holiest site in Islam.

Read more: Republican liberalism enables Iran's regime http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=355981#ixzz1asFlCanT

TIMB0B
10-15-2011, 11:59 AM
This point bares significant repeating:

The dome of the rock. I never even thought about that. Of course, neo-cons will then say they will attack the U.S.

simplyjacy
10-15-2011, 12:00 PM
thanks for the additional resource & information. i have to admit that i fairly gave up debating with the neocons coz they don't listen to damn facts and reasons.

Throwback280s
10-15-2011, 12:29 PM
That's why you identify what itch neocon rhetoric scratches and then scratch it better with freedom.

John F Kennedy III
10-15-2011, 12:47 PM
Neocons are the most hard headed people Ive ever met. Id have an easier time convincing a global warmist eugenics loving socialist.

NeoconTea
10-15-2011, 12:49 PM
Awesome article, good find :D

Throwback280s
10-15-2011, 02:10 PM
I think neocons are hard to convince because we're not using the appropriate communication strategies to alleviate their concerns.

EBounding
10-15-2011, 02:30 PM
Remember when Iran threatened a few weeks ago to send their navy into US waters at some point in the future? A lot of conservatives openly mocked and laughed at this, and rightfully so.

But yet, we're supposed to fear this country getting a nuke and using it against us? I just don't get how you can fear them and laugh at them at the same time.

Throwback280s
10-15-2011, 02:52 PM
I think it just shows how the media creates cognitive dissonance for voters which makes them contradict their common sense.

STEVEN SEVERINO
10-15-2011, 03:10 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations#Divide_betw een_public_opinion_and_state_policy

Divide between public opinion and state policyAn American Reuters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters)/Zogby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zogby_International) opinion poll published on September 28, 2006, found 70 percent of respondents opposed to any attack on Iran, 9 percent in favor of "air strikes on selected military targets", and 26 percent supportive of the use of ground forces. In a separate poll, 47 percent were opposed to Israeli intervention.[85] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations#cite_note-reuterspoll060928-84) An opinion poll in 2003 asking Iranians if they supported resuming government dialogue with the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) found 75% in favor. The pollsters were jailed,[86] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations#cite_note-85) and at least one spent several years in prison.[87] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations#cite_note-86)
Although anti-American billboards can be found in Iran and the slogan "death to America" is heard in Friday prayers, some have noted that Iran "just might" have the "least anti-American populace in the Muslim world".[88] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations#cite_note-87) Following the September 11 attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks), Iranians gathered in the Maidan-e-Mohseni shopping area in northern Tehran in a candlelit vigil for the victims of the attack. These vigils were violently broken up by Ansar-e-Hezbollah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar-e-Hezbollah) hardliners.[89 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations#cite_note-88)]

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations#cite_note-88)Q (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations#cite_note-88)uick note on Nukes, if anyone shoots a missile at Israel, it will most likely have US written on the warhead, with IRAN's Name on the side..(implications of an Iranian strike).

Just like the debunking of Obama's setup of the "Fake" assassination attempt recently!

Feeding the Abscess
10-15-2011, 03:11 PM
This strategy has already been employed. Response?

"oh lol it's not 1805"

"lol barbary pirates"

Icymudpuppy
10-15-2011, 08:33 PM
Haters gonna hate.

I think the warhawks are just so determined to hate a foreign enemy. I kinda miss the cold war.

Throwback280s
10-16-2011, 10:35 PM
This is a muscular approach to winning minds over to our cause of strategic independence.

seapilot
10-16-2011, 10:44 PM
Haters gonna hate.

I think the warhawks are just so determined to hate a foreign enemy. I kinda miss the cold war.

Those that vocally support invasion of Iran should immediately be handed a M-16, a helmet and a one way ticket to the Iraqi Border. Not reporting to duty will be automatic court marshal.