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Jon S
11-05-2007, 07:36 PM
well over the last few weeks a friend of mine and i have been arguing about the issue of healthcare. thankfully my friend will only be 17 when the election rolls around but heres how most conversations went.

we would be talking about some random irrelevant think when he would burst out into "well jon is voting for a republican"

knowing that he agrees with ron paul on most issues except healthcare i would go into the benefits of free market healthcare over socialized healthcare. he would instantly turn to the "well look at europe, they are all socialized medicine and they're doing great"

well having lived in germany for 5 years and knowing this not to be true i would tell him so. since i had to explicit source to give him i came home last night and started a conversation with a german friend of mine online.

of course this convo with my led to him talking about how had the german healthcare system was and how it needed reform.

today there were those "who has the most" forms passed out today in school.

i was reading thru them trying to get some names to put down and i got to the "who is the biggest hippie" well due to my long hair, general chill attitude, and love for music (and uhh not to mention former illicit activities) most people in the group said i should be there.

i went into my speech about ho modern hippies are hypocrites who don't practice what they preech and merely do it for attention.

at which point my friend came in with "and plus jon's voting republican so he can't be a hippie" i then responded "you know ryan most 'hippies' want government OUT of their lives, not more government involvement IN their lives" then he became silent... paused for a moment, then started into "yea well in the sixties it was different and the government was more in peoples lives back then" me "what are you talking about? its even worse today than it was back then and the media has brainwashed you into thinking its not" he responded "i don't wanna argue about this right now"

:) just goes to show that socialists have no clue what they're talking about. and NO TRUE hippie could be a socialist.

peace

Adamsa
11-05-2007, 07:39 PM
Socialised medicine is much better than the US' current system, but the completely free market model Ron talks about sounds better.

fletcher
11-05-2007, 08:07 PM
Socialised medicine is much better than the US' current system, but the completely free market model Ron talks about sounds better.

Socialized medicine is much, much, much worse than the current system, and the current system is awful.

margomaps
11-05-2007, 08:11 PM
Socialised medicine is much better than the US' current system, but the completely free market model Ron talks about sounds better.

The US system is screwed up, but so is socialized medicine. With the exception of Medicaid and Medicare, at least the US system is not based on stealing money from everyone under the force of law, and parcelling out whatever the government doesn't consume in its bureaucratic process.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not defending the system we have in the US. It stinks. But socialism is based on theft and force, so I think it's worse.

Richandler
11-05-2007, 08:12 PM
Apparently your friend has never been to a emergency waiting room in America. Socialized medicine would fill those rooms beyond their capacity with people who have colds. Americans are paranoid of being sick like it's something that is 100% preventable. Life is unstable my friends. The competition system we have has created the most advanced methods of handling cancer and other diseases. If we improved the system to a freer market with less goverment crap we'd be better off. The people who argue that health insurance companies gauge people forget that people gauge the companies too by sign in up for $100 month insurance the day after they find out they need a $10,000 surgery. People would abuse and destory the system, particularly in America because people woudn't have responsibility. Responsibility is what the free market is all about.

OptionsTrader
11-05-2007, 08:13 PM
A must listen:

Socialism versus Free Market Exchange
Ludwig von Mises
http://www.mises.org/multimedia/mp3/mises/Mises-1970.mp3

Recorded 05/02/1970 at the University of Washington (1:14:44)

foofighter20x
11-05-2007, 08:16 PM
As Reagan said...

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."

tsopranos
11-05-2007, 08:17 PM
Have him watch Stossel's HealthCare piece...
This is essentially RP's argument in a detailed 1 hr. long show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEXFUbSbg1I (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpsEAVbCkMM (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=refrYKq9tZQ (Part 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhiG0dcwN8 (Part 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsp_Jh5EIT0 (Part 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_KCLm9cekU (Part 6)

LBT
11-05-2007, 08:25 PM
Here's a way to present the idea of a free market in health care.....

Perhaps the most crucial aspect to health is food itself.

Yet in countries where food production and distribution were taken over by the state, mass starvation and malnutrition were the result.

James R
11-05-2007, 08:28 PM
well over the last few weeks a friend of mine and i have been arguing about the issue of healthcare. thankfully my friend will only be 17 when the election rolls around but heres how most conversations went.

we would be talking about some random irrelevant think when he would burst out into "well jon is voting for a republican"

knowing that he agrees with ron paul on most issues except healthcare i would go into the benefits of free market healthcare over socialized healthcare. he would instantly turn to the "well look at europe, they are all socialized medicine and they're doing great"

well having lived in germany for 5 years and knowing this not to be true i would tell him so. since i had to explicit source to give him i came home last night and started a conversation with a german friend of mine online.

of course this convo with my led to him talking about how had the german healthcare system was and how it needed reform.

today there were those "who has the most" forms passed out today in school.

i was reading thru them trying to get some names to put down and i got to the "who is the biggest hippie" well due to my long hair, general chill attitude, and love for music (and uhh not to mention former illicit activities) most people in the group said i should be there.

i went into my speech about ho modern hippies are hypocrites who don't practice what they preech and merely do it for attention.

at which point my friend came in with "and plus jon's voting republican so he can't be a hippie" i then responded "you know ryan most 'hippies' want government OUT of their lives, not more government involvement IN their lives" then he became silent... paused for a moment, then started into "yea well in the sixties it was different and the government was more in peoples lives back then" me "what are you talking about? its even worse today than it was back then and the media has brainwashed you into thinking its not" he responded "i don't wanna argue about this right now"

:) just goes to show that socialists have no clue what they're talking about. and NO TRUE hippie could be a socialist.

peace

I'm generally a socialist. I support Ron Paul because I like socialism to be a community concept. I just don't like the idea of the entire US being restricted to one bloated system for health care, welfare, etc. Welfare might be a bit messed up but it would be far worse if it were done on the national level. Generally I want to be very *very* far away from the one world government idea.