Wayback Machine. (when did this start?)

[pcosmar]

David DeGraw has been speaking on this for some time, and was one of the motivations behind the current protests.
Those that say this is something new and organized by the late comers to the protests are simply full of shit.

June 2010
http://daviddegraw.org/2010/06/full-report-the-economic-elite-vs-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america

This report was originally released as a six-part series. The first part was published on February 15, 2010. The last part was published on February 27, 2010.
Nov 2010
http://ampedstatus.org/revolution-roundup-2-as-mass-rebellion-spreads-throughout-europe-americans-dance-with-the-stars/comment-page-1/
Jan 2011
http://ampedstatus.com/obama-renews-commitment-to-complete-destruction-of-the-middle-class-meet-the-new-economic-death-squad/
Feb 2011
http://ampedstatus.org/analysis-of-the-global-insurrection-against-neo-liberal-economic-domination-and-the-coming-american-rebellion-we-are-egypt-revolution-roundup-3

Sept 2011
A Report from the Frontlines: The Long Road to #OccupyWallStreet and the Origins of the 99% Movement

http://ampedstatus.org/a-report-from-the-frontlines-the-long-road-to-occupywallstreet-and-the-origins-of-the-99-movement

How Anonymous, AmpedStatus, the NYC General Assembly, US Day of Rage, Adbusters and Thousands of Individual Actions Led to the Occupation of Liberty Park and the Birth of a Movement

[pcosmar]

Bump
I dare you to read it.

Full Report: The Economic Elite Vs. The People of the United States of America
linked above

[Sematary]

Bump
I dare you to read it.

Full Report: The Economic Elite Vs. The People of the United States of America
linked above

I don't even think he hits it all but he got alot of it.

[dannno]

Hah, wow.... All the people on these forums asking why Ron Paul supporters are there are asking the wrong questions.. They should be asking why the unions and George Soros are there!

[flightlesskiwi]

Hah, wow.... All the people on these forums asking why Ron Paul supporters are there are asking the wrong questions.. They should be asking why the unions and George Soros are there!

human arbitrage ?

[pcosmar]

I don't even think he hits it all but he got alot of it.

He does see and show where the problem is.

He stays away from either "left" or "right" in most of his stuff, and correctly identifies the source of the problem.

[flightlesskiwi]

He does see and show where the problem is.

He stays away from either "left" or "right" in most of his stuff, and correctly identifies the source of the problem.

i'm not through it all the way, but:

he's definitely pointing to a revolving door policy.

and i like that the Federal Reserve is top o' the list under "US elite institutions"

[pcosmar]

and i like that the Federal Reserve is top o' the list under "US elite institutions"

He has quite a bit, Lots to read if inclined.
I posted that one because the "99%" is there. And that was written a year before A99 released this,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D6neBzTnOQ

And before "we are the 99%" was on signs.

[Sematary]

He has quite a bit, Lots to read if inclined.
I posted that one because the "99%" is there. And that was written a year before A99 released this,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D6neBzTnOQ

And before "we are the 99%" was on signs.

And *some* people here can't find any common ground with those at OWS? Really?

[pcosmar]

And *some* people here can't find any common ground with those at OWS? Really?
There are some that don't want common ground,, really.
They do not want the people to be united in the common goal of removing them from power.

[pcosmar]

Bump, for education

[pcosmar]

Bump for motivation.
I Will Not Participate In the Journalism of Appeasement
Dec 2010
http://ampedstatus.org/i-will-not-participate-in-the-journalism-of-appeasement/

[pcosmar]

Bump,
for focus

[pcosmar]

Still in the news

[angelatc]

We found common ground with them when they were against the wars. They got control of the White House and Congress as a direct result of that. Then they gave all our money to the bankers, and started more wars.

Sorry , but I'm not stupid enough to let them hold the football for me again.

[pcosmar]

We found common ground with them when they were against the wars. They got control of the White House and Congress as a direct result of that. Then they gave all our money to the bankers, and started more wars.

Sorry , but I'm not stupid enough to let them hold the football for me again.
You don't read that fast.
which means you did not read at all. That is intellectually dishonest.

[InTradePro]

Hah, wow.... All the people on these forums asking why Ron Paul supporters are there are asking the wrong questions.. They should be asking why the unions and George Soros are there!

Yep. Many people on this forum have already bought into the media spin.

Gonna have to be bumping this thread for a while.

[pcosmar]

Bump, In the hope that people can read.

[Revolution9]

Yep. Many people on this forum have already bought into the media spin.

Gonna have to be bumping this thread for a while.

Yeah..Odd in that many of those same folks know the MSM lies out of both sides of its mouth.

Rev9

[pcosmar]

A good interview with David Degraw and Bill Black.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y3oP1aN5FVM

[pcosmar]

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[pcosmar]

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[jmdrake]

Bump
I dare you to read it.

Full Report: The Economic Elite Vs. The People of the United States of America
linked above

I haven't read all of it, but skimmed through it. Sorry but he lost me on the "redistribution of wealth" argument. Who's wealth gets redistributed to who and why? For those who actually made money from their bailout enabled fraud, sure. But that's based on what they did, not how much money they have. I've heard the argument made that anyone who invested in the stock market should have money taken from them. Well.....why? And isn't that almost everyone? I follow the rules and max out my 401K and my wealth should be "redistributed" to someone who took that money to Las Vegas simply because my bet paid off and theirs didn't? If I'm a Hank Paulson or a Tim Geitner (or a Barack Obama), sure, take my wealth. I knowingly stole it. But if I'm just picking what I see are the best stocks and hoping for the best and happen to come out good...well that's something totally different.

Also I disagree with his assessment of healthcare costs. He says Other than creating huge salaries for health industry-related executives, there isn’t any reason why we should be forced to pay such outrageous sums of money for second-rate care. No American should die due to lack of money, or have to face bankruptcy in order to get life-sustaining treatments.

Actually that's bollocks. For one thing our healthcare isn't "second-rate". If it was then people wouldn't be coming from all over the world, including from places that have "free healthcare" to take advantage of our system. For another, many countries that have gone the "free healthcare" model are going bankrupt. (Japan, Greece, Taiwan etc). In Japan doctors and hospitals are going bankrupt, so many of them are leaving the business. How does that increase access to "life-sustaining treatments"?

Now here's a nutty idea that actually would lower costs while decreasing the size and scope of government. Cut the red tape needed to bring new drugs to market in exchange for halving the patent life for new drugs. Companies would get cost savings up front and consumers would get cheap generic versions of new life saving treatments in half the time. Use the "interstate commerce clause" to increase the portability of medical licenses so that health professionals wouldn't have to re-certify when they cross state lines. Change the tax code to de-couple health insurance from employment. Create a medical tort system that makes sense and will cut down on malpractice insurance premiums. There's a lot that could be done, but first you have to recognize the problem and frankly he misdiagnoses it.

And his views on campaign finance would pretty much kill the Campaign for Liberty.

I agree with a lot of his views. Maybe even "99%" of them. But the 1% is troubling. That's the problem with a lot of these movements. They go beyond what everybody can agree on (the bailouts were immoral) and delve into other areas that people can't agree on. The tea party is no exception. Neither universal healthcare on the left nor support for Israel in the right has anything to do with our economic woes.

[pcosmar]

I agree with a lot of his views. Maybe even "99%" of them. But the 1% is troubling. That's the problem with a lot of these movements. They go beyond what everybody can agree on (the bailouts were immoral) and delve into other areas that people can't agree on. The tea party is no exception. Neither universal healthcare on the left nor support for Israel in the right has anything to do with our economic woes.

Good points. He seems to come at it from the left/progressive side, and I don't agree with the "solutions". He like many others has been steeped in socialism from birth, and no doubt "educated" in the present system.
He does make good points as to the Root problem. The control of the money and money supply,,and the control that has of the political system.
This country has had a socialist system for 100 years (contrary to our Constitution) and most folks are conditioned to it.
That will not change until the power behind politics changes.
Those that control the money control the politics. It is his premise that these people (Financial elite) are deliberately destroying the middle class and the economy.