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MRoCkEd
10-10-2011, 12:01 PM
Romney, Perry, and Cain all supported TARP.

Potential Ad?

orenbus
10-10-2011, 12:04 PM
Oh snap, good idea. From your lips to the John Tate's ears. (Ron Paul's Campaign Manager)
http://www.p2012.org/candidates/paulorg.html

Lord Xar
10-10-2011, 12:05 PM
True, but will he bring that up in the debates?


NOPE!

acptulsa
10-10-2011, 12:08 PM
This is perfect fodder for a non-campaign ad of the sort that can be paid for by the grassroots without counting against official campaign budget or spending limits.

Ron Paul doesn't even need to be named (if that's what it takes to avoid this costing the official campaign). He can merely be conspicuous by his absense in it. Process of elimination.

TER
10-10-2011, 12:10 PM
This is perfect fodder for a non-campaign ad of the sort that can be paid for by the grassroots without counting against official campaign budget or spending limits.

Ron Paul doesn't even need to be named. He can merely be conspicuous by his absense in it. Process of elimination.

Great idea except for the part of leaving Ron Paul unmentioned.

Brett85
10-10-2011, 12:11 PM
It would be a great idea for Ron to mention this along with the fact that he opposed the bailouts. Romney also supported No Child Left Behind and the Medicare Prescription Drug bill, and that needs to be pointed out.

sailingaway
10-10-2011, 12:17 PM
Damned straight. Watch the tea party recoil in horror. They don't understand 'Fed'. They understand TARP, though.

erowe1
10-10-2011, 12:20 PM
Romney, Perry, and Cain all supported TARP.

Potential Ad?

Good idea. Paul needs to be more vocal about all the ways he distinguishes himself from the other candidates to the right. TARP is a big one. Obamacare should be another.

iamse7en
10-10-2011, 12:32 PM
Which of the candidates opposed (past tense) bankster bailout besides RP and GJ?

roversaurus
10-10-2011, 12:32 PM
EVERYONE
hates
TARP

Dr Paul, and we, need to pound that home again and again. You can hook bailouts and cash for clunkers along with it but TARP stands out as huge. Left wing kooks and belt and suspenders republicans can not stand TARP.

Brian4Liberty
10-10-2011, 12:36 PM
Romney, Perry, and Cain all supported TARP.

Potential Ad?

Excellent idea. With these Wall St. protesters looking for a leader/candidate, the timing couldn't be better.

Pizzo
10-10-2011, 12:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2EqhZND1_I

Found this by searching for "Mitt Romney supports TARP". Not very polished but the same idea. I think it's a great idea for someone here to do or even the campaign.

Brett85
10-10-2011, 12:42 PM
Which of the candidates opposed (past tense) bankster bailout besides RP and GJ?

Bachmann opposed the bailouts. I'm not sure about Gingrich and Santorum.

John F Kennedy III
10-10-2011, 12:45 PM
Is Ron the only one that will be on stage that didn't support TARP? If so tomorrow night he should repeatedly say he is the only candidate that didn't support it.

It could be huge.

roversaurus
10-10-2011, 12:45 PM
Bachmann opposed the bailouts. I'm not sure about Gingrich and Santorum.

Doesn't matter.
Romney and Cain are the ones to get right now. We get video or audio of Romney and Cain supporting TARP and we get that on the air and those guys will lose. If we also get it on the air that Paul opposed TARP at the same time then Dr. Paul gets to be the face of opposition to TARP.
I can't think of a more sure fire way to win. TARP is more reviled than ObamaCare.

Brett85
10-10-2011, 12:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2EqhZND1_I

Found this by searching for "Mitt Romney supports TARP". Not very polished but the same idea. I think it's a great idea for someone here to do or even the campaign.

That would be a great idea. Somebody needs to notify the campaign and show them these past quotes from Cain and Romney. An ad with direct statements from Cain, Romney, and Obama would be a great idea. The campaign should try to tie Cain and Romney to Obama.

sailingaway
10-10-2011, 12:45 PM
Which of the candidates opposed (past tense) bankster bailout besides RP and GJ?

Bachmann. Remember in the NH debate when she said she was 'in closed door meetings' while TARP was being put through, to oppose it? Those were Ron's meetings. She and he voted against that string of bailouts. She voted for the Pelosi stimulus, but she isn't as bad on that sort of thing as most of the rest are. However, she also voted for the Patriot Act etc. Her respect for the Constitution only goes so far.

Brett85
10-10-2011, 12:47 PM
Excellent idea. With these Wall St. protesters looking for a leader/candidate, the timing couldn't be better.

The wall street protesters aren't the kind of people who are going to be voting in a GOP primary. Forget about trying to cater to those people. The tea party people need to be notified that Cain and Romney supported the bailouts while Ron opposed them.

fatjohn
10-10-2011, 01:06 PM
I'm guessing the next one they'll prop up is Newt, so an attack ad should also target Newt. He's the only serious contender that hasn't been pushed by the media yet and Cain has already praised him alot. If they try and push Santorum they'll fail Americans are stupid, not that stupid. He has no charisma, and the mood has changed since 08. Propping him up will not result into propping Ron down. Nobody can be that confused. Huntsman is the prop up guy in case Romney failed, but he didn't yet and doesn't seem to do that so drastically. So Huntsman is also not about to become their loverboy. Once Cain is out Newt is their new man to go head to head with Mittens. He's better than Bachmann while Bachmann already had here share of the pile and Perry well I'm not certain if they won't try to push Perry again. Maybe late in December. After Cain, next one up is Newt I tell ya. Unless Romney collapses, then its Huntsman.

sailingaway
10-10-2011, 01:07 PM
I don't think Ron should give anyone airtime who isn't above him in the early primary states.

Lord Xar
10-10-2011, 01:11 PM
Yeah, now that Perry is falling they need a phony adversary to Slick Mitt to represent the "non-establishement" vote. Perry was that, but he is deflating - so now its Cain. After Cain they will prop Santorum over Newt. But Santorum has to last until/if Cain implodes. That is why he is sticking around. They cannot have Ron as that adversary to Mitt, because Mitt would fold like a house of cards. They "elite", know this. The goal is to keep Ron in the backgraound until Mitt can gain traction with the early states, thus the early primaries.

Ron can't wait too long before he starts actually showing up at these debates being a bump on the log. Seriously, he needs to make his move soon.

orenbus
10-10-2011, 01:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDSRD0kYLWg

klamath
10-10-2011, 01:18 PM
Bachmann opposed the bailouts. I'm not sure about Gingrich and Santorum.
Gingrich was against the first vote on tarp then talked to his wallstreet friends over the weekend between votes and came out for it.

KEEF
10-10-2011, 01:19 PM
Yeah, now that Perry is falling they need a phony adversary to Slick Mitt to represent the "non-establishement" vote. Perry was that, but he is deflating - so now its Cain. After Cain they will prop Santorum over Newt. But Santorum has to last until/if Cain implodes. That is why he is sticking around. They cannot have Ron as that adversary to Mitt, because Mitt would fold like a house of cards. They "elite", know this. The goal is to keep Ron in the backgraound until Mitt can gain traction with the early states, thus the early primaries.

Ron can't wait too long before he starts actually showing up at these debates being a bump on the log. Seriously, he needs to make his move soon.

Good call!

klamath
10-10-2011, 01:29 PM
Bachmann. Remember in the NH debate when she said she was 'in closed door meetings' while TARP was being put through, to oppose it? Those were Ron's meetings. She and he voted against that string of bailouts. She voted for the Pelosi stimulus, but she isn't as bad on that sort of thing as most of the rest are. However, she also voted for the Patriot Act etc. Her respect for the Constitution only goes so far.
what pelosi stimulus?

erowe1
10-10-2011, 01:35 PM
what pelosi stimulus?

I don't know what the "Pelosi stimulus" was. But Bachmann did vote for this one (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll042.xml).

jbuttell
10-10-2011, 01:39 PM
all that matters to many GOP voters, is who will militarily take the fight to the middleast. If Ron can articulate his position on Iran better, finally get through, he'll win everyone over. Until the threat of Iran is put into proper perspective, I don't think poll numers will budge much. People are told to be afraid, so they make the irrational choice to support ANYONE but Paul.

wgadget
10-10-2011, 01:46 PM
And make sure to get some footage in of all the AMERICANS CALLING IN TO THE CONGRESSIONAL SWITCHBOARD, begging them NOT TO PASS IT.

Turned out they didn't listen to us, and the NEO-TEA PARTY groups started forming instantaneously.

bunklocoempire
10-10-2011, 03:19 PM
Bump.

People are looking for a candidate -remind them.

Tap into that outrage they felt.

Thanks for the reminder OP.



Bunkloco

muzzled dogg
10-10-2011, 03:32 PM
thanks

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roversaurus
10-10-2011, 03:51 PM
That would be a great idea. Somebody needs to notify the campaign and show them these past quotes from Cain and Romney. An ad with direct statements from Cain, Romney, and Obama would be a great idea. The campaign should try to tie Cain and Romney to Obama.

Oh, my gosh this is the ad that will win the election!
Can we put it on? Can we put cookie monster in an ad? It's funny. It's factual. I'm sharing it on facebook. I'd pay money to put this on TV in Iowa and New Hampshire.

trey4sports
10-10-2011, 03:54 PM
great idea. I imagine the campaign is probably making ads like this as we speak. Dunno, but i would assume they have lots of fodder to blast these phonies with.

jasonxe
10-10-2011, 04:44 PM
I post the cookie monster vid on another forum and the reply I got back was


Obviously, Paul is confused about the nature of the TARP program. It has nothing to do with spending. Handled correctly, all the money will be returned to the government and there might even be a profit for taxpayers.

I posted


The End of Sound Money and the Triumph of Crony Capitalism - David Stockman - Mises Daily - TARP (http://mises.org/daily/5113/The-End-of-Sound-Money-and-the-Triumph-of-Crony-Capitalism)

MJU1983
10-10-2011, 04:46 PM
Just put this together out of a few pics I had. :)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/MJU1983/TARP_Poster_1.jpg

MJU1983
10-10-2011, 04:59 PM
I post the cookie monster vid on another forum and the reply I got back was


Obviously, Paul is confused about the nature of the TARP program. It has nothing to do with spending. Handled correctly, all the money will be returned to the government and there might even be a profit for taxpayers.

I posted


The End of Sound Money and the Triumph of Crony Capitalism - David Stockman - Mises Daily - TARP (http://mises.org/daily/5113/The-End-of-Sound-Money-and-the-Triumph-of-Crony-Capitalism)

I emailed Dr. Robert P. Murphy a similar question a while ago after a supposed socialist told me: "it was a loan with interest, we're making money off it longterm." Dr. Murphy responded with:


Well there's a grain of truth in his statement but just a grain. Try these two:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-21/wall-street-aristocracy-got-1-2-trillion-in-fed-s-secret-loans.html

http://mises.org/daily/4029/The-Fed-as-Giant-Counterfeiter

I just remembered this video...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3uTUXiUVYc

Thomas
10-10-2011, 05:08 PM
I think the campaign needs some more creative ads that really stick out, right now they're pretty generic, Ron is basically stuck in the polls.

klamath
10-10-2011, 05:14 PM
I don't know what the "Pelosi stimulus" was. But Bachmann did vote for this one (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll042.xml).
Yeaw that was Bush's stimulus. The one she said she made a mistake as a new congresswoman and listened to the Rep. leadership that said it was a tax cut.

TheTexan
10-10-2011, 05:16 PM
Fed = (what? who cares?)
TARP = KILL KILL KILL MURDER KILL KILL KILL

eaglesfan48
10-10-2011, 05:23 PM
We should all go to these occupy wall st. rallys and stress this. I don't think these occupy people really even know what they are upset about for the most part. But, one thing they are definitely upset about is all the banker bailouts. This is an easy way to win votes, you don't have to convince them on ALL of Ron Paul's views, but this is a good start.

We shouldn't shy away from voters who are upset about the establishment BS. We should win them over. This is the perfect issue to preach to the occupiers along with RP's stance on the FED.

TheTexan
10-10-2011, 05:26 PM
Is it true that the funds loaned from TARP have been paid back, or is that a well conceived lie?

Note.. I know it doesn't matter... they shouldn't have been given that money regardless. Just curious, as that's the obvious counter-claim in favor of TARP.

1836
10-10-2011, 06:15 PM
Romney, Perry, and Cain all supported TARP.

Potential Ad?

Well Done.

jasonxe
10-10-2011, 06:19 PM
I played a bunch of vids for my family and the cookie monster had a great reaction.

Paul4Prez
10-10-2011, 11:27 PM
Cain will fall when we spread the word that he supported the TARP bailout.

Verrater
10-10-2011, 11:32 PM
This is great.

Romulus
10-11-2011, 12:07 PM
This is the key to victory - TARP!

(and the troops support us!)

1-2 knockout punch - he needs to bring it up in the debates.

wgadget
10-11-2011, 12:39 PM
Herman Cain: "My support for TARP could be a problem."

Bombs away.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/herman-cain-my-support-for-tarp-could-be-a-problem.php

Brian4Liberty
10-11-2011, 07:33 PM
Well folks, it looks like Rick Santorum read this thread...

MJU1983
10-12-2011, 12:56 AM
Just put this together out of a few pics I had. :)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/MJU1983/TARP_Poster_1.jpg

Believe it or not, more good Tweets by Michelle Malkin:

http://twitter.com/#!/michellemalkin/status/123913960759111680

@michellemalkin
Michelle Malkin
Newt's right about holding accountable politicians who supported bailout. Psst: Newt supported TARP. is.gd/5zMU5r

http://twitter.com/#!/michellemalkin/status/123914381728817152

@michellemalkin
Michelle Malkin
Most Beltway Republicans SUCK on TARP, just like Dems. FRANKLY. That's why #teaparty was born. #econdebate

http://twitter.com/#!/michellemalkin/status/123918023982727168

@michellemalkin
Michelle Malkin
Romney. Bank bailouts. UGH. TARP is the quicksand for almost every one of these GOP candidates except Bachmann & Paul.

http://twitter.com/#!/michellemalkin/status/123918658119536640

@michellemalkin
Michelle Malkin
Sorry, Cain is now echoing Romney on TARP. Blaming "implementation." The whole thing was gobsmackingly rotten from start.