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moderate libertarian
10-08-2011, 10:13 PM
There is no shortage of causes and there is no shortage of protestor supply as 20-30 Million Americans are said to be unemployed. It may be hard for dems or any one group to astroturf "occupy together" protests springing up across America due to very diverse participation and collection of causes. Today anti-war protests ( unheard of during Obama regime so far) shut down national air and space museum among various other protests.


Anti-War Demonstrator Standoff Closes Air & Space Museum
Published October 08, 2011 | Associated Press

The National Air and Space Museum in Washington was closed Saturday after anti-war demonstrators tried to enter the building to protest a drone exhibit, and at least one person was pepper-sprayed.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/08/anti-war-demonstrator-standoff-closes-air-space-museum/#ixzz1aFppg4I1


October 6, 2011
"Occupy" and anti-war protests converge in D.C.

(Credit: AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin) WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Friday marks the 10th anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, and opponents of the war have been planning a demonstration in Washington for months. Meanwhile, just a few weeks ahead of the planned protest, an anti-Wall Street movement sprung up in New York and caught fire across the country.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20116958-503544.html



http://warincontext.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/occupy-wall-street.jpg

http://occupypdx.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/marchday11.png
noneedtoaggress
10-08-2011, 11:15 PM
Can't wait until there's mass demonstrations against the Fed.
moderate libertarian
10-08-2011, 11:25 PM
Can't wait until there's mass demonstrations against the Fed.

"the Fed" as an issue while appeals to those inforned about economics working, for the masses it would likely not become an emotionally grabbing issue like the war or the jobs or TSA groping or even media/wall street corruption. Even though the the Fed is enabler of these plicies, many people don't understand the concept enough to take to streets just over fed alone. That said, the fed and wall street are connected in some ways.
CaptainAmerica
10-08-2011, 11:26 PM
"Arab spring" is a coined phrase by the media...please don't fall for the Neurolinguistics.I'd rather us not repeat this bullcrap terminology ,its staged anyhow.
TER
10-08-2011, 11:27 PM
"The issue which has swept down the centuries
and which will have to be fought sooner or later
is the people versus the banks."
-Lord Acton (1834-1902)
moderate libertarian
10-08-2011, 11:32 PM
"Arab spring" is a coined phrase by the media...please don't fall for the Neurolinguistics.

Don't worry about that :)

And you're right but what's good for the geese is good for the gander.
noneedtoaggress
10-08-2011, 11:43 PM
"the Fed" as an issue while appeals to those inforned about economics working, for the masses it would likely not become an emotionally grabbing issue like the war or the jobs or TSA groping or even media/wall street corruption. Even though the the Fed is enabler of these plicies, many people don't understand the concept enough to take to streets just over fed alone. That said, the fed and wall street are connected in some ways.

Ok, well... I hope there are mass demonstrations against the Fed at some point. :p

*watches gold prices rise*
flightlesskiwi
10-08-2011, 11:45 PM
The National Air and Space Museum in Washington was closed Saturday after anti-war demonstrators tried to enter the building to protest a drone exhibit,


you know what? these dang things are considered our most important asset. and they are downright evil.

obviously i don't know the things that were spoken or the intent, but if one is going to focus on the drones, one's focus is a bit off. drones are merely the symptom. they are the "way around", they are the "focus of rage". the disease is being ignored if O-bomb-ya and his C-i-C policies are not being raged against.
moderate libertarian
10-09-2011, 12:00 AM
Very well put and fully agreed.
Dorfsmith
10-09-2011, 12:23 AM
Unfortunately, the local protests in my area have been taken over by "astroturf"

http://flagliberty.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/astroturf-comes-to-flagstaff/

Anybody want to help me point these guys in the right direction?

http://www.facebook.com/OccupyFlagstaff?sk=wall
Tarzan
10-09-2011, 12:34 AM
Unfortunately, the local protests in my area have been taken over by "astroturf"

Frankly I am not surprised at the crowd or the focus in Flagstaff. I spent a couple of weeks there scoping it out as a new business location. The downtown area was awash with leftist shitheads. I blame the proximity to the University and what they are teaching there. Another large portion of the town seemed to be occupied by current or former government workers... or, retired government big wigs and their corporate allies. So, easy walking distance for those who want MORE government... but are pissed they are not getting their piece of the action.

With all the years of socialist indoctrination they have received thanks to state funding it will be difficult to win them over... or, even have an opportunity to logically explain the real issues and solutions to them. But, good luck!!!

I need a little help with the term ASTROTURF. My guess is that it refers to a fake grassroots movement. Can somebody clarify this for me?
tanks

(oh, we did not setup a business location there)
LibertyRevolution
10-09-2011, 04:12 AM
Its not American Spring... Its American FALL ;)
Dorfsmith
10-09-2011, 10:25 AM
Frankly I am not surprised at the crowd or the focus in Flagstaff. I spent a couple of weeks there scoping it out as a new business location. The downtown area was awash with leftist shitheads. I blame the proximity to the University and what they are teaching there. Another large portion of the town seemed to be occupied by current or former government workers... or, retired government big wigs and their corporate allies. So, easy walking distance for those who want MORE government... but are pissed they are not getting their piece of the action.

With all the years of socialist indoctrination they have received thanks to state funding it will be difficult to win them over... or, even have an opportunity to logically explain the real issues and solutions to them. But, good luck!!!

I need a little help with the term ASTROTURF. My guess is that it refers to a fake grassroots movement. Can somebody clarify this for me?
tanks

(oh, we did not setup a business location there)

I wish I had a dollar for every person who told me they wanted to set up a business here and decided not to. The majority of the people here are students and government employees and have no idea what small business owners have to deal with.

When I refer to the protestors as "astroturf" I'm talking about fake grassroots. In other words, the unions and Democratic party send out emails telling their people to attend these protests. It's an attempt to give the illusion that people are rising up.
sorianofan
10-09-2011, 10:36 AM
These are a socialist tea party. Very dangerous. They will simply vote for the next Dem.
pcosmar
10-09-2011, 11:23 AM
Its not American Spring... Its American FALL ;)

This is true.
It is also true that there was a hope to inspire an "Arab like" uprising. There are some similarities.
In most of the Arab uprisings, it started at first with a few, and was based of some legitimate grievances.
It was quickly latched onto by others with particular agendas. And soon "leaders" rose to take control of the process.
As it happened there, it is happening here. Groups with agendas are organizing and directing and capitalizing on the legitimate anger of the population.
Most people are followers. This is just a sad truth. It would have been nice to see some leadership from Constitutionalists, but they are being discouraged from this course.
That leaves the Socialists and the Globalists to lead folks as they will with little or no opposition.
And the people will follow the leaders they are presented with.

And winter is coming so all TPTB have to do is wait it out. They will not have to bring in the Goon Squads here.
We'll see how it goes, but I am not expecting an Arab Revolution here.
Tarzan
10-09-2011, 11:59 AM
And winter is coming so all TPTB have to do is wait it out. They will not have to bring in the Goon Squads here.
We'll see how it goes, but I am not expecting an Arab Revolution here.

It may end even sooner when mommy and daddy see their kids wearing their Vassar & Cornell shirts chanting for more government control and social spending. The parents may start wondering why they are paying over $40,000 per year for the kids education and this is what they think and how they spend their time. The parents footing the bill for them to protest may end... and they will vaporize without mommy and daddy's money.
flightlesskiwi
10-09-2011, 12:33 PM
It may end even sooner when mommy and daddy see their kids wearing their Vassar & Cornell shirts chanting for more government control and social spending. The parents may start wondering why they are paying over $40,000 per year for the kids education and this is what they think and how they spend their time. The parents footing the bill for them to protest may end... and they will vaporize without mommy and daddy's money.

or mommy and daddy continue to support them because, like Pete says, most people are followers. one has to consider that a lot of the baby boomer's children (especially the ones whose parents can afford such schools) are coddled, pampered, and indulged.
pcosmar
10-09-2011, 12:43 PM
and they will vaporize without mommy and daddy's money.

Perhaps.
But a question. Was the anti-war movement of the 60s and 70s funded by parents?
Did it disappear? Or was it based on something that people believed in? (ending war)

That will make a huge difference.
Pericles
10-09-2011, 04:05 PM
Its not American Spring... Its American FALL ;)

Correct - and +rep, and I'm buying more gun parts and ammunition.
flightlesskiwi
10-09-2011, 04:59 PM
Its not American Spring... Its American FALL ;)

when i read this, i read "It's not American Spring... It's American FAIL".

(*cringing* in anticipation of being flamed)
Pericles
10-09-2011, 08:08 PM
when i read this, i read "It's not American Spring... It's American FAIL".


Could be that, too. One of the challenges in being in the middle of sweeping events of history, is that you have limited awareness of all of the facets of what is transpiring until it is past.
jtstellar
10-09-2011, 08:18 PM
spring or winter..
sailingaway
10-09-2011, 08:41 PM
Why borrow Iranian terminology for our protests? We've had protests forever, and they are ours, not Iran's, to name.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_WALL_STREET_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-09-17-30-34
HOLLYWOOD
10-09-2011, 08:45 PM
Why borrow Iranian terminology for our protests? We've had protests forever, and they are ours, not Iran's, to name.Well, when the CIA/CFR run these critical mass Hereford/Holstein demonstrations, doesn't matter what they call it.
pcosmar
10-09-2011, 08:53 PM
Why borrow Iranian terminology for our protests? We've had protests forever, and they are ours, not Iran's, to name.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_WALL_STREET_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-09-17-30-34

Perhaps because the Media has been making this connection, or because others were making this connection.
Folks connected to anonymous were making this connection and hoping to start a similar movement here.
And that was reported on PressTV way back in march. When the TARGET was the Banks (Federal Reserve in particular)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?320560-What-it-s-All-About&p=3633733&viewfull=1#post3633733

But it seems no one here is interested in protesting the Federal Reserve cuz it's just a bunch of socialists.
Tarzan
10-09-2011, 09:52 PM
Its not American Spring... Its American FALL ;)


when i read this, i read "It's not American Spring... It's American FAIL".

I think FALL was also meant as a play on words... not just a yearly season. Fall, as in Fall down.
pcosmar
10-09-2011, 10:03 PM
I think FALL was also meant as a play on words... not just a yearly season. Fall, as in Fall down.
On that note,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA_FHuPwFeQ
moderate libertarian
10-09-2011, 10:04 PM
Why borrow Iranian terminology for our protests? We've had protests forever, and they are ours, not Iran's, to name.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_WALL_STREET_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-09-17-30-34

As much as I want to respect innovations of God's Iranian children, could it be they are re-using our term?


They used this term on Sun according to news you cited, this thread was posted on Sat. Besides I think I may have seen this term used in US press over a week ago.
Keith and stuff
10-09-2011, 10:37 PM
No. Even in the least free places in the US like San Fran, DC and NYC, there is far more liberty than anywhere in the Middle East, even after the Arab Spring.

Most of the protestors in the US are either non-voters, Obama supporters (he is already in control) or Ron Paul supporters that will likely not get violent.

It just isn't going to happen in the US right now as things are way, way too good compared to the places were it happened. Maybe if the events are still happening while the price of food goes up 10 fold or unemployment triples. But that isn't going to happen.