Should I bring RP stuff or not?!?!

[fonzo159]

I'm going to Occupy Philadelphia this Saturday and I was going to bring the "I'm voting for peace. Ron Paul 2012" yard sign and the new For Liberty dvd's to pass out to people. But after reading some stuff on the RPF I'm having second thoughts, so now I don't know what to do. I do believe that this is a chance to swing some voters our way, but maybe I should just change my talking points to ending the fed instead.

[muzzled dogg]

DVD's but that's it

even then dont waste them on random people.

you'll have to talk to folks and feel them out

[ZanZibar]

Associating RP with this crowd can hurt him in the upcoming election.

[Paulistinian]

I agree. Bring dvds or pamphlets to hand to specific people after you've spoken with them, but definitely don't advertise Ron Paul for the world to see. You can do more good by subversively swaying people at these rallies to our cause.

[HeyArchie]

I think sneakin' is good advice. Don't talk about Ron Paul til you get a feel for the crowd. If they're hardcore socialists then you might want to leave out his name. But, if they are just talking about ant-corporatism, ant-war, anti-fed... we have more in common than we think. It's the way we wanna fix it that differs. But, people can be persuaded.

Don't come back a commie. ;)

[specsaregood]

Wear a Romney shirt and a sign that says, if you support National Socialism then vote Romney in 2012.

[eleganz]

I'd just talk to people, have constitution handbooks ready and just talk to them about liberty, RP ending war/fed/income tax.

That alone should get the non-informed on his side and if anybody wants to debate RP with you, I'd say just leave it at that, thank them for their time but you are not looking for any arguments and just walk away. Last thing you want to do is start a scene, even if the scene is not you, you could be part of it.

[parocks]

I'm going to Occupy Philadelphia this Saturday and I was going to bring the "I'm voting for peace. Ron Paul 2012" yard sign and the new For Liberty dvd's to pass out to people. But after reading some stuff on the RPF I'm having second thoughts, so now I don't know what to do. I do believe that this is a chance to swing some voters our way, but maybe I should just change my talking points to ending the fed instead.

Leave Ron Paul out of it.

There seems to be no consensus as to what messaging you should do instead. Most argue not to go. It will cost you money to get there and back, that money should go to the campaign, etc, etc. If you went, you might want to make up a bunch of signs with similar themes. If you find anyone with Ron Paul signage, you might want to persuade them to use one of your signs.

[ONUV]

no

[SpicyTurkey]

Wear a Romney shirt and a sign that says, if you support National Socialism then vote Romney in 2012.

This

[parocks]

Wear a Romney shirt and a sign that says, if you support National Socialism then vote Romney in 2012.

That is good right there.

I like a Merck Tshirt with Perry stickers on it.

We really should think about getting on top of this.

We could develop "poster packs". Posters of a specific theme, carried by enough Ron Paul supporters to create the impression that is what the protest is about.
We don't want to make this a Ron Paul thing of course, but we could shift the impression of that occupy on that day.

What could some of those poster pack themes be?

Leaving aside End The Fed, which is already out there.

Anti-Obama.
Obama = Goldman Sachs
Bankers Give $$$ To Obama
No More Banker Bailouts Obama
Obama = Joker = Socialism

Leaving the impression that this might actually be a tea party protest.

Comical signs to discredit

WE
WANT
YOUR
STUFF

Gimmie!!!
Gimmie!!!
Gimmie!!!

And we all know the plan, because we're well organized.

Taking on Obama / Corporatism / Food

Let Us Keep Raw Milk
No More Monsanto BT Corn
No More ADM hfcs.
It's not Corn SUGAR

There are probably quite a few types of signs that the people who are actually running this do not want to see.

[J_White]

Are we not getting enough negative media spin already ?
your intentions are good, but please understand the other side of it. Just like the liberals abhor the Tea Party, the conservatives are going to abhor the OWS. They would be correct to do so, but probably for wrong reasons - they would do it because the media tells them to. so do spread the message, but please try to not campaign for Paul. In fact dont go as a Paul supporter, but just as an individual who knows about the real problem in economy. focus on End the Fed. the MSM will spin this once they start seeing "Ron Paul supporters" in OWS - and not for good.
Better still use your time to try to win over republican leaning individuals, talk to anyone u can, at the grocery store, gas station, mall. that would be more useful than trying to educate a socialist. we dont have time, all with the states pushing their dates forward !!

[lucent]

I would say that End the Fed would be a good message to push forward. So would a message for people to discourage Big Labor Unions and Soros from hijacking the Occupation like Koch and friends is hijacking the Tea Party.

[McDermit]

Showing up with Romney gear would be pretty hilarious.

[Esoteric]

Wear a Romney shirt and a sign that says, if you support National Socialism then vote Romney in 2012.

+rep

the only problem is, do they even sell Romney gear? I mean, there has to be next to zero market demand

[Arklatex]

Please represent your Ron Paul proudness, don't listen to these people occupied by fear sitting at their keyboards. sorry :o

These are our target demographic, what are yall crazy!!! Our advantage is our individualism so you do what you feel you're driven to do by your inner intuition and don't look to others who usually 9 times out of 10 are negative nancies.

[Birdlady]

If I were to go down there, I'd go incognito. Blend in with the crowd, but interject pro-liberty, free market ideas. I wouldn't wear a RP shirt or anything like that, personally. If one group is giving you hate, then just move on to another group that is more open-minded. I'd probably keep some cards or pamphlets on me in case you find some support or people interested in what you are saying. Maybe you will become the next Youtube star! :p

[anonymous billionaire]

Yeah let's represent Ron Paul at a socialist event!! Give me a F*cking break. This isn't 2008. Use your time
And energy and go door to door, do the phone from home program. If you live close to an HQ go volunteer! There's alot more useful things you can do then join a bunch of rag tag socialist who want more of the nanny state. I rcan respect the courage it takes to protest, but they're MISINFORMED. They like war, they like welfare. Ron threatens both of those things. Our best chance is with the GOP; target them. We had success with Rands campaign and we can have alot of success this year if we do the strategy the campaign has in place.

PS- If you go door to door leave the fringy ass revolution and RP shirts at home. Take a shower and dress professional.

PSS- please stop wasting time sign waving. If sign waving won elections Ron would be President by now.

[Arklatex]

anonymous billionaire i'm curious if you've ever went door to door? You try that and then go to a rally with hundreds of motivated interested people and see where you get more success.

[rprprs]

I would say that End the Fed would be a good message to push forward. So would a message for people to discourage Big Labor Unions and Soros from hijacking the Occupation like Koch and friends is hijacking the Tea Party.

In this instance, you can count me in as one of those "negative nancies" who would stay as far away from this as possible... especially in Philly.
Though I suppose there is a way to do this, one would need to tread VERY carefully... like walking on eggs.
"End the Fed" would probably be the best-bet approach and most likely to find a receptive audience. An anti-military/industrial complex message would also be likely to find receptive ears. But an overt anti-union message would be a definite no-no. Even more than in NY, the Philly group will be largely led by union interests, and bucking that will likely find you coming up with the short end of the stick...or worse.
If you feel compelled to attend, please keep Ron's name reserved for only the "individuals" you have sounded out and find to be receptive to the idea that big government and its collusion with special interests have played a part in our current economic crisis. I suspect you will find few of these and are more likely to find those calling for bigger, more intrusive regulatory government. But, in the end, only you can decide if you believe it's worth the effort. I don't.

[MelissaCato]

I went for a few hours after running a horse @ the racetrack. I personally didn't feel comfy there. The people are just different than what I'm used too at the Ron Paul rallies. Ron Paul rallies etc. are happy, exciting, colorful, friendly, educated. This OccupyWallStreet isn't anything like that. The people wear dark cloths, they get pissed off at you if you don't repeat a chant, point fingers all the time, it just reminds me of a hatefest if there is such a thing. There is no warm fuzzy feeling or sense of accomplishment after talking to people or excitement for 2012 leaving there .. like I get when leaving a Ron Paul event. I dunno but, if I went again, I would take a group on a mission kinda thing. Just saying.

[MelissaCato]

Anyhows if I was you and your going alone, I wouldn't bother with the Ron Paul stuff. Because your going to get a lot of opposition, fingers pointed in your face, and you alone will be the center of confrontation. Good lluck with that. I would say if you want to promote Ron Paul there, take a group of his supporters .. because once the word gets out your a Ron Paul supporter .. you alone cannot debate the crowd that gathers ... you need RP supporters in every direction to accomplish anything productive with these people. Good Luck.

[eaglesfan48]

If I were to go down there, I'd go incognito. Blend in with the crowd, but interject pro-liberty, free market ideas. I wouldn't wear a RP shirt or anything like that, personally. If one group is giving you hate, then just move on to another group that is more open-minded. I'd probably keep some cards or pamphlets on me in case you find some support or people interested in what you are saying. Maybe you will become the next Youtube star! :p

Right. Absolutely go down there and try to sway some voters to Ron Paul. Just don't bring signs or wear a Ron Paul shirt. We need votes, no matter what way you cut it, we NEED votes. Go get some!

[anonymous billionaire]

anonymous billionaire I'm curious if you've ever went door to door? You try that and then go to a rally with hundreds of motivated interested people and see where you get more success.


First and foremost, sorry for the haste in my last message. It's just frustrating when I see ideas floated around here that are counterproductive. OWS is a waste of our time and the negatives greatly out way the positive.

Yes, I've volunteers/worked on a few campaigns made phone calls and walked door to door. The most important thing we can do is both of these. It's the backbone to the campaign. This year it's been different than 2008. Sure you get some people that don't like Ron, but you also find some that are on the fence (this is when you can talk to them about Ron in a productive way. (But use his or Rands talking points, not yours.) This is where dressing professionally comes in hand. These people are GOP voters and onto of that you're a stranger knocking their door. They want to see someone who looks well put together and seems pleasing. It paints a good perception for our campaign in their mind."Hey these Ron Paul people are all crazy Libertarian nut-jobs." haha Also, the point of going door to door is to target Republican voters and their issues. We can find what their support level is for Ron and what their issues are. Then afterwards, we can send them a targeted mailing with an emphasis on their issues they care about.

[Xenophage]

wear a romney shirt and a sign that says, if you support national socialism then vote romney in 2012.

this

[kojirodensetsu]

Associating RP with this crowd can hurt him in the upcoming election.
Wah wahhhhh

[TER]

Don't go there overtly pushing or promoting Ron Paul the man (in fact, don't even mention him if the person you are speaking with seems unreachable), rather,go there and promote the ending of the wars, of the corporatism and Fractional Reserve banking system with fiat money, and of the erosion of our civil liberties. Do that, and you already opened their minds to accept Ron Paul the candidate without saying so. Let them figure it out themselves if need be. In effect, help prepare the soil of their minds so that the seed of Ron Paul for President can take root.

[fearthereaperx]

Make a sign that says : 'I voted for Obama who sold out to the 1%. Now I am voting for Ron Paul because he sold out to the 99%''

[TER]

Or a sign that says "only one public servant will end the wars, restore our liberties, and never be bought out by the 1%ers: XXX XXXX"
And then pass out BTO moneybomb info.

[Ball]

How about an End the FED t-shirt?

We need a dialog with these people.