Arguing with a brainwashed European Socialist

[FortisKID]

I'm honestly not even sure what this idiot is trying to say. I don't think he was ever breastfed as an infant...


"Making the financial sector and the government, the two most powerful institutions in the US, compete against each other through financial regulation & social programs makes perfect sense to me. That way the two can't unite to exploit the middle class, something they've both done since the days of Reagan.

In the gov, we can elect the leaders, in the market we can't"

Anyone have a response?

[Philhelm]

Translation:

Have businesses and government compete for your money; the businesses through providing goods and services, while the government taxes you. Of course, the government wins since it forces you to give it your money. Then, have the government use the tax dollars to give out "free" shit in in order to put the businesses out of, well, business.

In the government, the majority of people choose a person to rule us, in the (free) market individuals have the power.


^Something like that, I'd imagine.

[dannno]

If he wants a high standard of living for more people, why should the government should be "battling" businesses that produce that higher standard of living :confused:

Why not simply stop them from hurting people, you don't really even need to write any laws for that let-alone regulations :confused:

[Demigod]

Translation:

Of course, the government wins since it forces you to give it your money. Then, have the government use the tax dollars to give out "free" shit in in order to put the businesses out of, well, business.



Its not free shit if you pay for it.You pay the government taxes and they should perform some services for that money.

If you pay 10% bigger taxes to get universal health care its not exactly free.

[acptulsa]

In this country, back when I was a kid and before the regulators regulated small business out of business, it was much easier to pick business leaders than politicians. The only choices we had for politicians were the two that came out of the smoke-filled room. With seven or eight companies producing different versions of the same product, I could choose which business leader to support with impunity.

It's called a free market. Been a long time since I saw one. I miss them.

[VBRonPaulFan]

Dumb guy 1: The corporations in this country are out of control! They need to be regulated, they're hurting us and they own the government!
Dumb guy 2: But whoever will regulate the corporations and make sure they don't hurt us?
Dumb guy 1: Obviously it needs to be the government!!!

it's like these idiots don't think anything through.

[Lafayette]

Its not free shit if you pay for it.You pay the government taxes and they should perform some services for that money.

If you pay 10% bigger taxes to get universal health care its not exactly free.

Can i opt out of being robbed at gun point by federal agents and the programs my stolen money provides?

[enjerth]

Making the financial sector and the government, the two most powerful institutions in the US, compete against each other through financial regulation & social programs makes perfect sense to me. That way the two can't unite to exploit the middle class, something they've both done since the days of Reagan.

In the gov, we can elect the leaders, in the market we can't

...... drawing a blank here .......

So the suggestion is to get government to voluntarily position itself against the financial sector, and keep itself that way, so that they can't unite and exploit the middle class like they've done (since only the days of Reagan)? What does that even mean? Competing over what?

One holds the power of law, and the other the power of money. How can you ever keep these two apart? What kind of regulations and programs could ever come between them and not be undone by their attraction to each other?

I'll tell you how. By the power of (unconstitutional) law, the former created the latter to be a servant. It's not government and money. It's government money. Get rid of government controlled money.

[Carehn]

You should start by asking him witch of those 2 things he feels he is most likely to wild the most power over. Then go from that standpoint.

[AuH20]

Um. The middle class has been getting exploited for years before Reagan. I laugh at some of this stuff.

[dannno]

You should start by asking him witch of those 2 things he feels he is most likely to wild the most power over. Then go from that standpoint.

http://pepperbasham.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/wicked-witch.jpg

[libertybrewcity]

Congress couldn't even manage their own food without going into massive debt. How do you expect them to manage a multi-billion dollar financial institution.

The government owns FM and FM. Look how that turned out.

[Philhelm]

Its not free shit if you pay for it.You pay the government taxes and they should perform some services for that money.

If you pay 10% bigger taxes to get universal health care its not exactly free.

Hence why the word is in quotations...

[Deborah K]

I'm honestly not even sure what this idiot is trying to say. I don't think he was ever breastfed as an infant...



Anyone have a response?

The gov't isn't in the business to make a profit. That is not their function. Their only function is to protect their citizens using the Constitution as their basis.

[acptulsa]

Tyranny comes from a monopoly on power, and cannot exist where you can play one powerful entity off against another. States cannot get away with tyranny, but the federal government can. Competing corporations cannot get away with tyranny, but a monopoly can. How have we lost sight of this?

The first question i would ask this idiot is how can corporations and government compete when they don't do the same thing? What are they competing for? Is the company supposed to sell you more stuff than the government uses to protect you? Are we counting sales vs. number of laws? Make the guy come up with something besides apples and oranges, if he can, figure out why it's a dumb idea to let the apple grower into the orange business, and pick him apart.

[Diurdi]

"Making the financial sector and the government, the two most powerful institutions in the US, compete against each other through financial regulation & social programs makes perfect sense to me. That way the two can't unite to exploit the middle class, something they've both done since the days of Reagan.

In the gov, we can elect the leaders, in the market we can't" The government HAS been regulating Wall Street for the last decades. Ofcourse Wall Street called the shots on what to regulate, to establish a monopoly situation to prevent competition. Why in the world would you want to try the same thing again?

[Demigod]

Can i opt out of being robbed at gun point by federal agents and the programs my stolen money provides?


No if a majority does not want as well.

No country can have people pick witch taxes they pay and which they do not pay.

[Krugerrand]

You can always ask how many muslim immigrants it will require to pay for all the social programs.

[PaulConventionWV]

Its not free shit if you pay for it.You pay the government taxes and they should perform some services for that money.

If you pay 10% bigger taxes to get universal health care its not exactly free.

I think that was the point of putting free in quotes.

[InTradePro]

I'm honestly not even sure what this idiot is trying to say. I don't think he was ever breastfed as an infant...


"Making the financial sector and the government, the two most powerful institutions in the US, compete against each other through financial regulation & social programs makes perfect sense to me. That way the two can't unite to exploit the middle class, something they've both done since the days of Reagan.

In the gov, we can elect the leaders, in the market we can't"

Anyone have a response?

As a European I get what this guy is saying and am a bit perplexed why you call him/her an idiot. Look at it in terms of he/she is advocating constitutional government and free markets with some degree of financial regulation & social programs determined by the government.
The two problems with this idea are: firstly that the current US government politicians are in the majority corrupted by the financial corporations with no obvious way to fix that. Secondly, that the exploitation of the middle(and lower) class is done through the debasement of the currency from the FED within the government structure. So if by someway you had a majority of none corrupt politicians they would still have to end the Fed before things would get better.

[LibForestPaul]

I discussed entitlements and health care with a Euro lately. What seemed to crack his socialist streak was voluntarism/free market (schools/healthcare), and whether one believes people are general good (and will take care of those in need) or are general selfish (and if so, why would one want to give them power and guns).