Why we should embrace Occupy Wall St

[Romulus]

This is an organic movement with many 'groups' trying to attach themselves to it. Ron Paul himself has said that he fells sympathy for it. We don't have to go down to campaign, but I don't think we should not ignore this. We can occupy this to with our message of End the Fed, End the Bailouts, etc.

I am not buying that this is a whole Obama, Soros, etc movement and that we should hide from it. This is what the people make it. A lot of groups are trying to co-opt this. So I would be weary of folks who are trying to define this movement. We should embrace it with our End the Fed message. No one likes the fed anyway, this will embolden and support Ron Paul without openly in 'campaign mode'.

[CaptainAmerica]

It is not "organic" whatever you mean by "organic". It is controlled, and it is a setup to harm the grassroots and to further give the government a reason to take liberties away faster. OWS is also backed by a large PR Firm and the MSM reports it to polarize the nation politically before 2012.

[AuH20]

This is about setting up pins for Obama and the beleaguered democrats to knock down in 2012. The Big O's messaging is going to mirror what's coming out of these protests.

[bluesc]

The fact that many the left wing media are supporting it means I won't. The message that gets out from there is only what the media wants to get out. The Tea Party has become a wing of the right wing media, this movement has become a wing of the left wing media.

AuH20 is indeed right.

[Carehn]

The fact that many the left wing media are supporting it means I won't. The message that gets out from there is only what the media wants to get out. The Tea Party has become a wing of the right wing media, this movement has become a wing of the left wing media.

AuH20 is indeed right.
yes but not locally. On tv yes but our numbers jumped when we got involved in the tea party. so now lets infect this gaggle of people in need of info. They know something is wrong so lets help them identify the right cause.

[UtahApocalypse]

Do NOT go and Campaign for Ron Paul there. However, if your inclined to go as a free individual and teach them about why things are the way they are it could be worth it. Even if this whole OWS thing is a "set up" as I have heard from many people...... these are not paid actors or shills. These people there are real Americans, who are Really concerned. The only "set up" part is that they are being deceived as to where the problems begin and come from. It is our duty to educate them. Leave Ron paul out of it though for now..... if they find the truth they will find the only Candidate talking about it.

[ZanZibar]

Nope. If we do that then it only makes people think Ron Paul is fringe. We are trying to move away from that and make people think Ron Paul is Presidential.

[Bruehound]

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." -Robert Heinlein.

[FrankRep]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories/AP-11-2010/sorosb-ap.001.jpg



Billionaire financier George Soros and union bosses linked to Obama are bankrolling and supporting the communist-backed Occupy Wall Street protests.


Big Soros Money Linked to "Occupy Wall Street" (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9269-big-soros-money-linked-to-occupy-wall-street)


Alex Newman | The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
05 October 2011


Labor unions, communists, “community organizers,” socialists, and anti-capitalist agitators have all joined together (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9214-unions-socialists-join-forces-to-occupy-wall-street) to “Occupy Wall Street” and protest against “greed,” corporations, and bankers. But despite efforts to portray the movement as “leaderless” or “grassroots,” it is becoming obvious that there is much more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye.

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[AuH20]

yes but not locally. On tv yes but our numbers jumped when we got involved in the tea party. so now lets infect this gaggle of people in need of info. They know something is wrong so lets help them identify the right cause.

Infect? We need to take over the educational system in order to accomplish what you're proposing. This is equivalent to deprogramming androids.

[Romulus]

This is on our front page here at RPF. 60k views. He embraced it. THIS is how it's done. There are criminal bankers running roughshod over this country. A lot of kids down there are angry and looking for answers. Of course there are groups looking to co-opt them. And we should be doing the same with the truth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZmPWcLQ1Mk&feature=player_embedded

[FrankRep]

This is on our front page here at RPF. 60k views. He embraced it. THIS is how it's done. There are criminal bankers running roughshod over this country. A lot of kids are down there are angry and looking for answers. Of course there are groups looking to co-opt them. Does that mean we shouldn't be doing the same?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZmPWcLQ1Mk

He's being ignored by the other protesters too.

[Romulus]

He's being ignored by the other protesters too.

60 thousand views on YouTube.

[Romulus]

The fact that many the left wing media are supporting it means I won't. The message that gets out from there is only what the media wants to get out. The Tea Party has become a wing of the right wing media, this movement has become a wing of the left wing media.

AuH20 is indeed right.

Step out of the left/right paradigm already. That's just where the media has put you. They are irrelevant and I don't buy any of their information that they fabricate. Neither does a large portion of the population. Carpe diem.

[vita3]

America's 2nd revolution has started..

[FrankRep]

America's 2nd revolution has started..
2nd Bolshevik revolution maybe.

[silentshout]

I agree with you, OP and I support the protestors, even though I don't agree with them on everything.

[jtstellar]

were you guys, including that pcomar or whatever his name is, also this passionate about leading the tea parties? it feels like liberal hippies just doing their usual thing--being hypocritical.

[FrankRep]

were you guys, including that pcomar or whatever his name is, also this passionate about leading the tea parties? it feels like liberal hippies just doing their usual thing--being hypocritical.
pcomar is anti-Tea Party.


Perhaps so. I have come to hate the Tea Parties. They gave us more socialist Republicans. Keep pushing for more war.
It was a good start that got horribly corrupted rather quickly.


Rand Paul wrote a book supporting the Tea Parties. :-)

http://i43.tower.com/images/mm118012367/tea-party-goes-washington-rand-paul-hardcover-cover-art.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1455503118/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=1455503118)

Tea Party Favorite Rand Paul Wins Senate GOP Primary in Kentucky
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/18/tea-party-favorite-rand-paul-wins-senate-gop-primary-kentucky/

[LibertyEagle]

http://lewrockwell.com/spl3/99-percent-wrong.html

[dannno]

This is about setting up pins for Obama and the beleaguered democrats to knock down in 2012. The Big O's messaging is going to mirror what's coming out of these protests.

So you have a problem with me going down and telling people about what a fraud Obama is and about the Federal Reserve?? What kind of argument are you trying to make, because I don't really understand your point.





The fact that many the left wing media are supporting it means I won't. The message that gets out from there is only what the media wants to get out. The Tea Party has become a wing of the right wing media, this movement has become a wing of the left wing media.

AuH20 is indeed right.

The Tea Party was hijacked by Fox News and the Republican establishment.. so what? We can go down there and hold end the fed signs, who is that hurting? Same with OWS.

[jmdrake]

pcomar is anti-Tea Party.




Rand Paul wrote a book supporting the Tea Parties. :-)

http://i43.tower.com/images/mm118012367/tea-party-goes-washington-rand-paul-hardcover-cover-art.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1455503118/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=1455503118)

Tea Party Favorite Rand Paul Wins Senate GOP Primary in Kentucky
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/18/tea-party-favorite-rand-paul-wins-senate-gop-primary-kentucky/

And the "tea party" is about to give us Federal Reserve puppet Herman Cain. They only tolerate Rand because he convinced them that Trey Grayson was lying about his record when Grayson was really telling the truth.

[TheDriver]

There is no way and hell I'll support anti-capitalists!

[LibertyEagle]

Rand Paul wrote a book supporting the Tea Parties. :-)

That was Rand's way of influencing the tea parties our direction and away from the neocons and other big government groups who were trying to hijack the movement.

[LibertyEagle]

You know, I don't really know what to think at this point. There is certainly an argument to be made that if we don't participate to try to steer them away from Soros-type world government solutions, then we deserve what happens. I still do think that it would be a huge mistake to create any photo-ops by bringing any RP signs. We wouldn't want to make it appear like we, or RP, are aligned with these folks. Because we are not.

[jmdrake]

That was Rand's way of influencing the tea parties our direction and away from the neocons and other big government groups who were trying to hijack the movement.

+rep! Once any movement gets big enough and "organic" enough, it gets co-opted and hijacked. The main reason the Ron Paul movement hasn't been hijacked is because of Ron Paul. As much as people "cringe" when Ron says something that's not politically correct, it keeps the movement honest. There are tea partiers we need to reach. There are people with OWS we need to reach. Most folks really are clueless about what's really going on.

[pcosmar]

There is no way and hell I'll support anti-capitalists!

Anti capitalists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46BAVp8N2gE

I see free Market Capitalism.

[jmdrake]

You know, I don't really know what to think at this point. There is certainly an argument to be made that if we don't participate to try to steer them away from Soros-type world government solutions, then we deserve what happens. I still do think that it would be a huge mistake to create any photo-ops by bringing any RP signs. We wouldn't want to make it appear like we, or RP, are aligned with these folks. Because we are not.

When the tea party rallies were taking off, we made a strategic blunder (at least our local RP supporters did) by "blending in" instead of challenging the errors we saw being put forward. We didn't push Ron Paul, but we didn't push against ignorance either. We should have been carrying "Obama = Bush" signs. I feel the same way about the OWS movement. Adam Kokesh's video where he was talking to protestors patiently explaining to them why they were wrong is the kind of outreach we should be doing. But you have to have newspaper articles in hand showing that Obama got more Wallstreet money than anyone else or that Obama has escalated the wars or how Obama supported TARP etc.

[FrankRep]

+rep! Once any movement gets big enough and "organic" enough, it gets co-opted and hijacked. The main reason the Ron Paul movement hasn't been hijacked is because of Ron Paul. As much as people "cringe" when Ron says something that's not politically correct, it keeps the movement honest. There are tea partiers we need to reach. There are people with OWS we need to reach. Most folks really are clueless about what's really going on.
It doesn't make sense to me why you're anti-Tea Party and Pro-Occupy Wall Street, but you acknowledge that both are hijacked.

[jmdrake]

It doesn't make sense to me why you're anti-Tea Party and Pro-Occupy Wall Street, but you acknowledge that both are hijacked.

It doesn't make sense why you can't read worth a flip. I'm neither "anti Tea Party" nor "pro-Occupy Wall Street". Hell, I already told you I went to the tea parties!

[bluesc]

The Tea Party was hijacked by Fox News and the Republican establishment.. so what? We can go down there and hold end the fed signs, who is that hurting? Same with OWS.

I said I don't support their message.

I don't like the idea of us going there as Ron Paul supporters, as it ends up on the Glenn Beck show, ect. As I have said before, if I was anywhere near any of the protests, I would be there educating people on the fed, and that capitalism is not the problem. I just wouldn't be doing it in a Ron Paul tshirt. If the media see loads of Ron Paul people there, they will jump at the opportunity to link us to their socialist message, as they are already trying to do.

[FrankRep]

When the tea party rallies were taking off, we made a strategic blunder (at least our local RP supporters did) by "blending in" instead of challenging the errors we saw being put forward. We didn't push Ron Paul, but we didn't push against ignorance either.

The Columbus Tea Party didn't make that mistake.

We had Andrew Napolitano, Alicia Healy, Jason Rink, and other pro-Ron Paul supporters as speakers.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmLfjd9uIds


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6OCg1UuakA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv7Kd43ZS60

[AuH20]

So you have a problem with me going down and telling people about what a fraud Obama is and about the Federal Reserve?? What kind of argument are you trying to make, because I don't really understand your point.



No, just don't drag Ron Paul into it. Go as an individual. I'm trying to go down there, since I want to interview some of them for amusement purposes.

[pcosmar]

The Tea Party here in Michigan gave us another Big Government Rubber stamp in my district and a Socialist Republican as Governor.

They hate Ron Paul. I don't see it as a good thing at all.

[jmdrake]

The Columbus Tea Party didn't make that mistake.

We had Andrew Napolitano, Alicia Healy, Jason Rink, and other pro-Ron Paul supporters as speakers.


Good for you! (I really mean that). We were trying not to "rock the boat" as we attempted to take over the local GOP committee by stealth. We came within one vote of doing that too. 20/20 hindsight I wish we had been more aggressive at the rallies themselves.

[jtstellar]

lol look if you were against being involved in tea parties but for being involved in this now, you're being nothing but a hypocrite so you might as well shut the hell up. the tea parties didn't start out on the outset by asking for handouts, for starters. they didn't have an agreement on specific policies, but their general sentiment on fiscal direction was clear. i can see reason for those who support tea parties without supporting this circus. you do that, or you support both, or you deny both and be a true isolationist. anything else please shut up.


The Tea Party here in Michigan gave us another Big Government Rubber stamp in my district and a Socialist Republican as Governor.

They hate Ron Paul. I don't see it as a good thing at all.

translated: i didn't support the tea parties but i support this welfare beggar camp now.

you got the shut the hell up hypocrite stamp, please do so now.

[dannno]

That was Rand's way of influencing the tea parties our direction and away from the neocons and other big government groups who were trying to hijack the movement.

Well this is my way of influencing OWS in our direction and away from the unions and other establishment leftists trying to hijack their anti-Banking/Wall St. movement.

[dannno]

No, just don't drag Ron Paul into it. Go as an individual. I'm trying to go down there, since I want to interview some of them for amusement purposes.

Maybe you missed the other thread, but I convinced TWO people to vote for Ron Paul last night IN THE CAR RIDE to the protest.. and I was driving.. These people are more open to Ron Paul than most Republicans. I'm bringing Ron Paul there. I'm not just going to carry a Ron Paul sign around, that doesn't make any sense and isn't going to draw anybody in. Talking about the wars, the Federal Reserve and corporatism, then showing them the solution to these problems (Ron Paul) is absolutely effective.

[dannno]

translated: i didn't support the tea parties but i support this welfare beggar camp now.

you got the shut the hell up hypocrite stamp, please do so now.

Maybe you can name somebody specific instead of treating us like a collective.. I support educating the tea party just as much as OWS.

[jmdrake]

lol look if you were against being involved in tea parties but for being involved in this now, you're being nothing but a hypocrite so you might as well shut the hell up. the tea parties didn't start out on the outset by asking for handouts, for starters. i can see reason for those who support tea parties without supporting this circus. you do that, or you support both, or you deny both and be a true isolationist. anything else please shut up.

And for those who supported being involved and got involved with the tea parties, lamented at how they got co-opted, and then see a small window of opportunity with what is essentially the left wing version of the same thing? If they had another local tea party rally I'd be the first one to show up trying to work the crowd. But where I live the tea party has become a complete tool. The last major event was a "pay to see Palin" dinner. They no longer have rallies where you can walk up to the man on the street and actually have a discussion with him. :(

[AuH20]

Maybe you missed the other thread, but I convinced TWO people to vote for Ron Paul last night IN THE CAR RIDE to the protest.. These people are more open to Ron Paul than most Republicans. I'm bringing Ron Paul there. I'm not just going to carry a Ron Paul sign around, that doesn't make any sense and isn't going to draw anybody in. Talking about the wars, the Federal Reserve and corporatism, then showing them the solution to these problems (Ron Paul) is absolutely effective.

Did you tell them all about Ron Paul or only the gloss?

Like how he's against the welfare state? state funded education? forced unionization? global warming regulation? skate parks?

[jmdrake]

Maybe you missed the other thread, but I convinced TWO people to vote for Ron Paul last night IN THE CAR RIDE to the protest.. and I was driving.. These people are more open to Ron Paul than most Republicans. I'm bringing Ron Paul there. I'm not just going to carry a Ron Paul sign around, that doesn't make any sense and isn't going to draw anybody in. Talking about the wars, the Federal Reserve and corporatism, then showing them the solution to these problems (Ron Paul) is absolutely effective.


Maybe you can name somebody specific instead of treating us like a collective.. I support educating the tea party just as much as OWS.

You keep this up and you're going to tap me out of +rep.

[jmdrake]

Did you tell them all about Ron Paul or only the gloss?

Like how he's against the welfare state? state funded education? forced unionization? global warming regulation?

When you go to a tea party rally is the first thing out of your mouth "Vote for Ron Paul because he supports cutting aid to Israel, ending all the wars, having trade and dialog with Iran and shrinking the defense budget"? You have to get people where they agree with you before dealing with areas of disagreement.

[dannno]

Did you tell them all about Ron Paul or only the gloss?

Like how he's against the welfare state? state funded education? forced unionization? global warming regulation?

I told them he was against the war on terror, the war on drugs and wanted to end the federal reserve and that he would let them create voluntary societies with whatever structure they wanted at the local level as long as they didn't force anybody or hurt anyone... and he won't let them steal the factories from the owners, etc.. Basically that he wants to leave people alone as individuals, but not allow tyranny to reign over us from the fed gov.. I taught them that the state is inherently violent, the only power they have is the monopoly on violence.

[dannno]

When you go to a tea party rally is the first thing out of your mouth "Vote for Ron Paul because he supports cutting aid to Israel, ending all the wars, having trade and dialog with Iran and shrinking the defense budget"? You have to get people where they agree with you before dealing with areas of disagreement.

Dude, you gotta remember to tell the tea partiers that he wants to legalize heroin!! lol..

[jmdrake]

I told them he was against the war on terror, the war on drugs and wanted to end the federal reserve and that he would let them create voluntary societies with whatever structure they wanted at the local level as long as they didn't force anybody or hurt anyone... and he won't let them steal the factories from the owners, etc.. Basically that he wants to leave people alone as individuals, but not allow tyranny to reign over us from the fed gov.. I taught them that the state is inherently violent, the only power they have is the monopoly on violence.

I told you that you were going to tap me out.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dannno again.

[jmdrake]

Dude, you gotta remember to tell the tea partiers that he wants to legalize heroin!! lol..

LOL. Considering that during the 70s they called marijuana parties "tea parties"......;)

[jtstellar]

And for those who supported being involved and got involved with the tea parties, lamented at how they got co-opted, and then see a small window of opportunity with what is essentially the left wing version of the same thing? If they had another local tea party rally I'd be the first one to show up trying to work the crowd. But where I live the tea party has become a complete tool. The last major event was a "pay to see Palin" dinner. They no longer have rallies where you can walk up to the man on the street and actually have a discussion with him. :(

i don't know how much hope there is for convincing seniors there needs to be welfare reform, but i will admit i have much more disgust seeing people my age being dimwits THREE YEARS into the financial crisis and not knowing why, despite internet being always one click away unlike old people who are mostly computer illiterates, and asking for handouts STARTING at some 20, 30 years of age. and there is my inherent emotional bias, if any.


Maybe you can name somebody specific instead of treating us like a collective.. I support educating the tea party just as much as OWS.

i myself have converted 70% of the people i regularly talk to. like i said, if you're not against participation in any event, you're not a hypocrite. go right ahead.


The Tea Party here in Michigan gave us another Big Government Rubber stamp in my district and a Socialist Republican as Governor.

They hate Ron Paul. I don't see it as a good thing at all.

now that's a hypocrite. how does he try to appeal to get attention away from this hypocrisy? he throws this out: ooh, they said something bad about ron paul. this from the guy i see thread after thread lecturing people about not supporting a bunch of lazy clowns who can't be bothered finding out why the financial crisis occurred despite youth + easy access to internet, a bunch arguably much worse than the tea parties who are older computer illiterates. there is your specific example.

[AuH20]

When you go to a tea party rally is the first thing out of your mouth "Vote for Ron Paul because he supports cutting aid to Israel, ending all the wars, having trade and dialog with Iran and shrinking the defense budget"? You have to get people where they agree with you before dealing with areas of disagreement.

I've had those discussions. I'm comfortable talking to tea partiers of various stripes. Just because the military is composed of our sons and daughters doesn't mean that they're necessarily entitled to a blank check with no oversight and accountability. The military is susceptible to the same abuses the other departments experience.

[jmdrake]

i don't know how much hope there is for convincing seniors there needs to be welfare reform, but i will admit i have much more disgust seeing people my age being dimwits THREE YEARS into the financial crisis and not knowing why, despite internet being always one click away unlike old people who are mostly computer illiterates, and asking for handouts STARTING at some 20, 30 years of age. and there is my inherent emotional bias, if any.

If by "senior welfare" you mean social security, medicare and the prescription drug benefit, I think you'd have a had time finding a lot of will for cutting that at "tea parties". You say how Bachmann went after Perry on that.

[jmdrake]

I've had those discussions. I'm comfortable talking to tea partiers of various stripes. Just because the military is composed of our sons and daughters doesn't mean that they're necessarily entitled to a blank check with no oversight and accountability. The military is susceptible to the same abuses the other departments experience.

Yes. And dannno talked to OWS folks about the virtues of capitalism as opposed to crony capitalism. But I'm sure that happened after developing some kind of rapport with people. If you haven't noticed Ron doesn't campaign on "end the welfare state". He goes to great pains to point out how he would phase it out, but that the first cuts would go to ending the American empire. He's made it clear multiple times.

http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Social_Security.htm
Q: Are you still in favor of abolishing Social Security?

A: Yes, but not overnight. As a matter of fact, my program’s the only one that is going to be able to take care of the elderly. I’d like to get the young people out of it, just the younger generation, because there’s no money there, and they’re going to have to pay 50 years and they’re not going to get anything. I’d take care of all the elderly, all those who are dependent, but I would save the money from this wild spending overseas.

[AuH20]

If by "senior welfare" you mean social security, medicare and the prescription drug benefit, I think you'd have a had time finding a lot of will for cutting that at "tea parties". You say how Bachmann went after Perry on that.

Like I said, the only drawback with the Tea Party are the boomers. They have a nostalgic remembrance of the FDR era, mainly because the state scholars & the MSM falsely raised him up as some cult icon, thanks to the WW2 victory as well as the New Deal sham.

[Romulus]

were you guys, including that pcomar or whatever his name is, also this passionate about leading the tea parties? it feels like liberal hippies just doing their usual thing--being hypocritical.

Yes I supported the Tea Parties because they are dissent from the status quo.


There is certainly an argument to be made that if we don't participate to try to steer them away from Soros-type world government solutions, then we deserve what happens. I still do think that it would be a huge mistake to create any photo-ops by bringing any RP signs. We wouldn't want to make it appear like we, or RP, are aligned with these folks. Because we are not.

Agreed.


Maybe you missed the other thread, but I convinced TWO people to vote for Ron Paul last night IN THE CAR RIDE to the protest.. and I was driving.. These people are more open to Ron Paul than most Republicans. I'm bringing Ron Paul there. I'm not just going to carry a Ron Paul sign around, that doesn't make any sense and isn't going to draw anybody in. Talking about the wars, the Federal Reserve and corporatism, then showing them the solution to these problems (Ron Paul) is absolutely effective.

Well done!


When you go to a tea party rally is the first thing out of your mouth "Vote for Ron Paul because he supports cutting aid to Israel, ending all the wars, having trade and dialog with Iran and shrinking the defense budget"? You have to get people where they agree with you before dealing with areas of disagreement.

Yep.

Instead of squatting in the left/right paradigm where the establishment wants you, work to bridge the message of liberty.

[dannno]

I've had those discussions. I'm comfortable talking to tea partiers of various stripes. Just because the military is composed of our sons and daughters doesn't mean that they're necessarily entitled to a blank check with no oversight and accountability. The military is susceptible to the same abuses the other departments experience.

When leftists when they ask if Ron Paul supports cutting welfare and the free markets, partly it depends on how much time you have with them. The easiest thing to say is that he supports states rights and if they want to have a safety net they can implement it at the state or local level. It's also important to mention that all regulations are written by corporations and only benefit big corporations who lobbied for them. Property rights are stricter and better for the environment than environmental regulations.

If you have some time, you can talk about how our current monetary system causes price inflation, poverty and destroys the middle class. It's important to mention that Ron Paul wants to end the wars first before taking away entitlements for those who are dependent so we can bring the money home from overseas and give our economy a boost.

[Romulus]

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." -Robert Heinlein.

You catch more flies with honey.