Should I hold a Ron Paul 2012 sign at an occupywallstreet protest?!?

[Joey Fuller]

I am going to an occupywallstreet protest in order to educate others about the Federal Reserve...

The question is:
Do I bring Ron Paul signs with me or just End the Fed signs?

Why do I ask?

The Mainstream Media loves to make fun of, marginalize, smear Ron Paul.. so in case local media, bloggers, newspapers etc. are there I don't want to make Ron Paul look bad...

I plan on being polite and engaging the crowd about the Federal Reserve.. I am sure the crowd will be mostly democrats or independents so I am going talk about Blue Republicans as well.. but didnt know if it help or hurt Ron Paul to hold a big sign in support while I educate...

[CaptainAmerica]

no.

[FrankRep]

The question is:
Do I bring Ron Paul signs with me or just End the Fed signs?
Hand out literature and talk to people.

That will actually do something productive.

[Becker]

Hand out literature and talk to people.

That will actually do something productive.

I agree. But holding a sign isn't completely bad either if it's the best you can do. I encourage one on one interactions if they're possible.

[Bern]

IMO - "End the Fed" will be more constructive.

[pcosmar]

IMO - "End the Fed" will be more constructive.

Yup. End the Fed.
End the Corruption.
Sound money/ Free Markets
End the Wars

Keep some Slim Jims or other handouts for folks you talk to.

Lots of signs you could chose, and promote Ron Paul one on one. as the solution.

[CaptainAmerica]

Please...don't tie Ron Pauls campaign to OWS. There are people who actually want Ron Paul to win.

[ZanZibar]

Those are not people who will be voting in the Republican primary. ETF is your best bet. Associating RP with this crowd will be harmful.

[dannno]

Please...don't tie Ron Pauls campaign to OWS. There are people who actually want Ron Paul to win.

Ron Paul has already tied his campaign to it by encouraging his supporters to go deliver the message at these events.

RON PAUL IS AN INTEGRAL PIECE OF THE MESSAGE!!

What good is it for a leftist to be against the Federal Reserve if they don't know about Ron Paul?!?

Bring your End the Fed sign, focus on that, but Ron Paul is the solution, don't be afraid to have Ron Paul signs or literature as well!!


Example:

http://urimg.net/a3420.jpg

[dannno]

Those are not people who will be voting in the Republican primary. ETF is your best bet. Associating RP with this crowd will be harmful.

This is untrue, Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home and end the war on drugs.. It's really easy to convince leftists to give strong consideration to switching parties and voting for him.

[Proph]

Since you're going up there to enlighten people about the Fed, signs about the Fed would probably be more appropriate. Ultimately it's your choice, though.

[Joey Fuller]

Thanks for the responses.. I am def bringing ron paul end the fed slim jim and other end the fed literature.. .I am going tp have a sign rigged up above my backpack..and just needed opinions on whether RP 2012 was appropiate.. I think I will just have my abolish the fed rsrve sign.. : ) thanks everyone

[CaptainAmerica]

Ron Paul has already tied his campaign to it by encouraging his supporters to go deliver the message at these events.

RON PAUL IS AN INTEGRAL PIECE OF THE MESSAGE!!

What good is it for a leftist to be against the Federal Reserve if they don't know about Ron Paul?!?

Bring your End the Fed sign, focus on that, but Ron Paul is the solution, don't be afraid to have Ron Paul signs or literature as well!!


Example:

http://urimg.net/a3420.jpg then have at it at the grassroots coup.

[JoshLowry]

End the Fed and End Corporatism are both good signs.

If you want a Ron Paul sign that will silently sway people your way.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?319475-my-new-RP-antiwar-sign&p=3606059#post3606059

[Proph]

End the Fed and End Corporatism are both good signs.

If you want a Ron Paul sign that will silently sway people your way.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?319475-my-new-RP-antiwar-sign&p=3606059#post3606059

...or even have "End the Fed" on one side and "End Corporatism" on the other.

[KAYA]

Holding a Ron Paul sign would tarnish Ron Paul's campaign.

[JoshLowry]

Holding a Ron Paul sign would tarnish Ron Paul's campaign.

If the person holding the sign has a good message and is gathering peacefully then Ron Paul approves.

I do think the best strategy is the End the Fed sign and then work Ron in on a individual level.

[Rothbardian Girl]

Don't hold a Ron Paul sign, but I would pass out libertarian-themed literature/pamphlets and have an End the Fed/End Corporatism sign. We don't want the MSM loonies picking up on any overtly Paul-themed signs that draw a lot of attention. Try interacting with people individually as well... it's easier to make connections that way, I think.

Good luck! It's great that you're going to the protests! Spread the message. :)

[pcosmar]

Holding a Ron Paul sign would tarnish Ron Paul's campaign.

What about Ron Paul's Campaign adviser speaking in favor of it?

[JoshLowry]

Also, don't look for/don't talk to people that are not on the fence.

Specifically ask what people are on the fence about when it comes to the primary.

If they are not on the fence, you are wasting hot air.

[JustinTime]

This is untrue, Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home and end the war on drugs.. It's really easy to convince leftists to give strong consideration to switching parties and voting for him.

That would be great, but Ive tried for years to get textbook leftists to support Ron and the standard response is that although he has some good ideas he is a corporate stooge who will allow them to run roughshod over 'workers'.

I dont know how to get around that, Im always at a loss.

[Aden]

I would make flyers pointing out Obama's failures on wars and civil liberties and banksters, and highlighting how Paul is the real deal.

[Lothario]

A "Ron Paul 2012" sign is probably more harmful than it is pointless..but these people aren't smart enough to tie "End the Fed" together with vote for Ron Paul. I'd suggest any End The Fed signs add a small "- Ron Paul, 2012" at the bottom to attribute the message to him. Associate him with a positive message and more as an after thought, and the protesters can draw their own conclusions.

[dannno]

That would be great, but Ive tried for years to get textbook leftists to support Ron and the standard response is that although he has some good ideas he is a corporate stooge who will allow them to run roughshod over 'workers'.

I dont know how to get around that, Im always at a loss.

Actually I can vouch for the mainstream media fed leftists being harder to convince than the real left leaning activists who know the media is bullshit, many of whom you will find at OWS type protests. Mainstream media fed leftists are pretty brainwashed, the media gets their talking points stuck into their head. Leftists who learned to stop trusting the media after 9/11 have a much more open mind.

[dannno]

A "Ron Paul 2012" sign is probably more harmful than it is pointless..but these people aren't smart enough to tie "End the Fed" together with vote for Ron Paul. I'd suggest any End The Fed signs add a small "- Ron Paul, 2012" at the bottom to attribute the message to him. Associate him with a positive message and more as an after thought, and the protesters can draw their own conclusions.

Yes, I agree that walking around with a sign that just has a Republican's name on it is probably not the most effective thing unless you're in a big group of Ron Paul supporters who also have end the fed type signage.

I also agree that tying his name in as an after thought to your anti-fed or anti-corporatist message is important, otherwise they probably won't make the connection later.

[dannno]

he is a corporate stooge who will allow them to run roughshod over 'workers'.

I dont know how to get around that, Im always at a loss.

On the other hand, do you not have time to talk to these people or do they not let you get your points in? If he's a corporate stooge, then ask them why the corporate media practically ignores him? Why do special interest groups never visit his office except maybe on occasion to unsuccessfully convince him to vote for some regulations that are bought and paid for by the corporations?

Turn it around on them.. The Democrats and Republicans are the corporate stooges, they are the ones who pass regulations that the corporations write. They need to realize that the corporations are the ones controlling our government, so giving the government more power is just giving the corporations more power.

[ZanZibar]

This is untrue, Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home and end the war on drugs.. It's really easy to convince leftists to give strong consideration to switching parties and voting for him.Very few actually follow through though. It's easier to get Republicans who will already be voting in a Republican primary to vote for Ron Paul than it is to get large numbers of liberals to switch parties, or to register, actually go vote, and then vote for RP.

[Carehn]

YES!!! Do it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmUZGdi7Ty4

[Gumba of Liberty]

What about passing this sucker out:

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=9508cfcbf9&view=att&th=132d6e29bc328c87&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=file0&zw

[wgadget]

Looks like the video of our young man made the Drudge Report in this Washington Post article...So it's been established that END THE FED is an official part of OWS.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/occupy-wall-street-protests-grow-in-size-and-credibility-photos-video-live-updates/2011/10/05/gIQAIbD3NL_blog.html?hpid=z2

[liberty2897]

Ron Paul has already tied his campaign to it by encouraging his supporters to go deliver the message at these events.

RON PAUL IS AN INTEGRAL PIECE OF THE MESSAGE!!

What good is it for a leftist to be against the Federal Reserve if they don't know about Ron Paul?!?

Bring your End the Fed sign, focus on that, but Ron Paul is the solution, don't be afraid to have Ron Paul signs or literature as well!!


Example:

http://urimg.net/a3420.jpg


This is untrue, Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home and end the war on drugs.. It's really easy to convince leftists to give strong consideration to switching parties and voting for him.

dannno, I completely agree with you. As someone who has switched from being an Obama supporter in 2008 to being a strong Ron Paul supporter, I am of the opinion that these protesters are upset about the right things, but are mislead about how to fix them. I supported Obama because he said he would end the war immediately after taking office, he would restore civil liberties, he would close Guantanamo Bay. I was also under the impression that he would be anti-drug war... not sure where I got that idea.

I was gullible in 2008 regarding the bailouts and "stimulating the economy". I see that now. I feel horrible for being part of the current problem. Truth is that I thought Obama was the opposite of George W. Bush at the time. I was mistaken.

I will not make the same mistake next election. I think many of these people protesting would support Ron Paul if they only heard the message.

What lead me here? It was the combination of my growing dissatisfaction with Obama, reading a bunch of Thomas Jefferson quotes, my brother in-law telling me that I should check out Ron Paul (after sharing the Thomas Jefferson quotes with him).

When I first joined these forums, I thought I would call myself a libertarian-democrat (don't laugh!!!). I took some of those online tests to arrive at that conclusion. After more research, I realized that I can support a Republican candidate (Ron Paul) and not be a "bad" person. As for the label, I'm content with just calling myself a libertarian now. Secretly, I think I'm becoming an anarchist :)

Trust me, there are a lot more people like me out there. I've talked a couple of them into switching over in 2012.

[Carehn]

Looks like the video of our young man made the Drudge Report in this Washington Post article...So it's been established that END THE FED is an official part of OWS.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/occupy-wall-street-protests-grow-in-size-and-credibility-photos-video-live-updates/2011/10/05/gIQAIbD3NL_blog.html?hpid=z2

So lets take this. We should use this for all its worth and hash out the whole socialist capitalist things once we end the corporatists. It cannot hurt to be a part of this. The country is on the verge of revolution and we all need to be the biggest part of it as we can. Are country is evolving and I want to have the biggest say in what its going to look like.

This is it I think you guys. I think we see collapse this month and we best man up. Go to the protests, meetings, and town halls.

This is the final push so step the f*ck up and PUSH!

[Johnny Appleseed]

Everybody always wants to blame someone else...blame the government blame the fed blame the rich...when is the last time anyone here bought an American made product? Its our own damn fault dumbasses! We sold ourselves out to save a buck and now we are [censored]...When ya all go to occupy Fort Knox give me a call...

[Carehn]

Everybody always wants to blame someone else...blame the government blame the fed blame the rich...when is the last time anyone here bought an American made product? Its our own damn fault dumbasses! We sold ourselves out to save a buck and now we are [censored]...When ya all go to occupy Fort Knox give me a call...

Wrong. I should not have to sacrifice cost and quality just to buy an american made product! This lack in cost and quality is due to FRB and Government action. This is not my fault or yours. The bank and the guns are the cause of this.

[LibertyEagle]

So lets take this. We should use this for all its worth and hash out the whole socialist capitalist things once we end the corporatists. It cannot hurt to be a part of this. The country is on the verge of revolution and we all need to be the biggest part of it as we can. Are country is evolving and I want to have the biggest say in what its going to look like.

This is it I think you guys. I think we see collapse this month and we best man up. Go to the protests, meetings, and town halls.

This is the final push so step the f*ck up and PUSH!

You may want to rephrase that. It sounds a little too much like you are wanting a collapse and I'm sure that is not what you intended.

[Johnny Appleseed]

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make it wrong. This country use to be about making quality items that lasted. People took pride in their work. Then it became about how little work can I do and get paid the most to do it with the best benefits...and "Buy now Pay later" ...the guy on the commercial looks so happy...When you point at someone else you have 3 fingers pointing back at you...Wake up America ya bunch of dumbasses and localize to survive!

[Carehn]

You may want to rephrase that. It sounds a little too much like you are wanting a collapse and I'm sure that is not what you intended.

I kinda do at this point. I don't care anymore. And weather you like it or not most people don't either. I'm just saying we should be the biggest part of the revolution as possible.

We all knew this was coming. So lets jump in, make it peaceful!!!!, and push it as far as our direction as possible.

Damn it! You know the dollar collapse is coming as well as the rest of us. So if it comes this week we best damn well be a part of the revolution or let the Communist or banksters take it like they do all the other movements.

[Arklatex]

That would be great, but Ive tried for years to get textbook leftists to support Ron and the standard response is that although he has some good ideas he is a corporate stooge who will allow them to run roughshod over 'workers'.

I dont know how to get around that, Im always at a loss.

Are the corporations not thrilled beyond belief with the current system? Are they donating to Ron Paul or anyone but Ron Paul? Explain to them that freedom is the only counter balance to corporatism, the current lobbyist system and big government is what allows corporatists to get laws and regulations written to force themselves on you and create a barrier to entry of small businesses. Competition is good because you can choose other than the big corporation. With no competition, you have no choice. We have a fascist system, the divide between corporations and big government is illusion.

[Carehn]

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make it wrong. This country use to be about making quality items that lasted. People took pride in their work. Then it became about how little work can I do and get paid the most to do it with the best benefits...and "Buy now Pay later" ...the guy on the commercial looks so happy...When you point at someone else you have 3 fingers pointing back at you...Wake up America ya bunch of dumbasses and localize to survive!

Rational self interest is not the cause of the problem. If a consumer buys a toyota because it is the best investment possible do you blame the consumer for considering himself over the collective (tribe) or do you blame the tribe (government) for making it impossible to produce a competitive product?

[Johnny Appleseed]

I blame the desire to have what your neighbor has without the desire to work for it. I blame a throw away society. I blame a way of life built on something as unstable as speculations in human confidence....I blame rationalizing things as a way of just "letting it slide"

[Carehn]

I blame the desire to have what your neighbor has without the desire to work for it. I blame a throw away society. I blame a way of life built on something as unstable as speculations in human confidence....I blame rationalizing things as a way of just "letting it slide"

So you blame the easy credit of the federal reserve. Ya we agree then.

One is the reflection of the other.

[Johnny Appleseed]

Invest in local markets...the one down the street...doing nothing and blaming the other guy is what congress does...do something yourself... buy something from a neighbor.