My Occupy Wall St. Experience.. I have to laugh [Archive]

dannno

10-04-2011, 01:53 AM

It is actually an all week/overnight occupation that started today in the early afternoon and supposedly peaked around 4 or 5 o'clock with almost 200 people. I wasn't able to get there until 7, and there were only about 60 or 80 left at most, but most of them intended on camping right there in front of city hall.

So I didn't get to break out my End the Fed sign with the Thomas Jefferson inflation quote that most of you have seen, but I will break that out on Saturday when there is a big march planned.

I did however get to go around and take some pictures of signs that were lying around. I tried to find some commie signs for you guys, I apologise but the only one I could find is the pirate one, which is a bit ironic I suppose. I live in such a progressive town, I thought they would be easier to find.

http://urimg.net/b5a60.jpg

http://urimg.net/263bc.jpg

http://urimg.net/008bb.jpg

My roommate who is involved with the Zeitgeist movement (he actually stayed at Peter Josef's house a few nights ago) brought his projector and speakers and we were able to plug them into the light and we all watched "Ungrip" right on the city hall building. That's right, Ungrip, the movie I posted about yesterday that is about the most pro-individual anti-state movies there is, check it out:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?320052-quot-Ungrip-quot-Amazing-New-Documentary-About-A-Man-Who-Became-Legally-Soveirgn

The park in front of city hall closed at 10pm and I wasn't planning on staying the night because I have work early tomorrow, but I did want to stay past 10pm with the other campers to help show a good presence. The police came and were chill, they weren't sure about the tents but were going to let them get away with it for the night. No bad confrontations, hopefully it will stay that way.

Overall fun night, cool people.

ONUV

10-04-2011, 01:59 AM

sounds awful

dannno

10-04-2011, 03:16 AM

sounds awful

What are you talking about? Did you read what that film was about in the thread? That's an incredible thing to have a bunch of so-called socialists and communists watching (although there was a group of anarchists as well)

parocks

10-04-2011, 04:45 AM

Give me liberty

10-04-2011, 04:50 AM

@dannno so its true that the wall street protesters are actually communists?

dannno

10-04-2011, 10:33 AM

@dannno so its true that the wall street protesters are actually communists?

No, there were a lot of anarchists and everybody there enjoyed the film Ungrip (which everyone here should watch, it is very individual liberty, responsibility and freedom oriented).

dannno

10-04-2011, 11:33 AM

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1528814394&ref=ts
there's the director there.

Hmm I have no idea who that is myself :p

wgadget

10-04-2011, 11:36 AM

So you mean the media has been LYING to us, saying this is all commies? Really? No...They wouldn't, would they?

No Free Beer

10-04-2011, 11:41 AM

get the hell out of there. it is all setup by soros, seiu, and acorn. this is not our fight, get out of there

dannno

10-04-2011, 12:43 PM

get the hell out of there. it is all setup by soros, seiu, and acorn. this is not our fight, get out of there

Watch Ungrip, consider that we screened it to everybody there, and then tell me this whole thing is being controlled by Soros..

Soros didn't set THIS protest up!

Even if he did, that's what we have to do, help control the scene and educate people. Make it backfire on Soros.

When I say "that's what we have to do", I don't mean everybody. If you are in a Republican committee or engrained into the party and are working on Republicans and don't want to go to this type of thing, then don't.. but this is your thing and you are thinking about going and educating people, I say go for it.

kg0

10-04-2011, 12:46 PM

Watch Ungrip, consider that we screened it to everybody there, and then tell me this whole thing is being controlled by Soros..

Soros didn't set THIS protest up!

That's what we have to do, help control the scene and educate people. Make it backfire on Soros.

No, we don't want to associate with these people. 90% of these protestors are socialists, big-government, big-welfare democrats. TOTALLY opposite to what Ron Paul advocates.

I don't want Ron Paul's name tarnished by these idiots!

freeforall

10-04-2011, 12:56 PM

@danno - Are Ron Paul supporters showing up to talk about electing Ron Paul, or are they talking about the message?

notsure

10-04-2011, 12:57 PM

ZanZibar

10-04-2011, 01:01 PM

Ron Paul on the Occupy Wall Street protest - a blog by Doug Wead, Sr Adviser to the Ron Paul 2012 Campaign:
http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/ron-paul-and-the-occupy-wall-street-protest/

And Jack Hunter discusses it on Freedom Watch with Judge Napolitano last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3kcxARJ1YzQ

dannno

10-04-2011, 01:50 PM

Where are you getting this from?

They aren't getting it from Ron Paul, he supports spreading the message at these things, it is a great place to find people who are upset with the system.

@danno - Are Ron Paul supporters showing up to talk about electing Ron Paul, or are they talking about the message?

I wasn't there during the peak, so I don't know if any other Ron Paul supporters were there. Pretty sure there were no hardcore supporters were when I was there later on, but some of the anarchists may have been fans, I don't know. They were the "punk" anarchist type, not the kind that the FBI or CIA control, but I'm not 100% certain of their political philosophy to be honest.

I think the best thing to do is bring up the Federal Reserve. My sign has stuff on the fed, a Thomas Jefferson quote, then a Ron Paul 2012 at the bottom decked out with peace signs. Ron Paul is the solution, but I don't think that simply carrying around Ron Paul signs is most effective either.

Diurdi

10-04-2011, 02:15 PM

Zeitgeist movement :D

brushfire

10-04-2011, 02:18 PM

So 52 cities around the US - I'm sure there are different people at each event. I also wonder how many "outsiders" know that this was Soros orchestrated

It was possible for fox and the establishment to co-opt the tea party, isnt it possible to take over these mobs? Or at least move the protests to government buildings?

SpiritOf1776_J4

10-04-2011, 02:21 PM

They aren't getting it from Ron Paul, he supports spreading the message at these things, it is a great place to find people who are upset with the system.

He supports the message of raising minimum wage to twenty dollars an hour, free education, and all that other clap trap?

I don't know about what you attended, but the main online site of occupy wall street supports that.

Ron Paul is free market solutitions all the way.

Bern

10-04-2011, 02:28 PM

Kudos to you dannno for exerting your influence on events.

dannno

10-04-2011, 03:55 PM

He supports the message of raising minimum wage to twenty dollars an hour, free education, and all that other clap trap?

Who, George Soros?? Who cares what he thinks? The elite are going to try and control everything they can, it is our job to make sure and stop them. That is what we are doing here.

I don't know about what you attended, but the main online site of occupy wall street supports that.

Ron Paul is free market solutitions all the way.

lol, dude.. you went to a website!! Congratufuckinglations!!

Why not hit the streets instead and find out what it's really about instead of reading all the bullshit online and (unfortunately) some of what has been posted on this forum?

Rothbardian Girl

10-04-2011, 04:12 PM

It's fun to watch some peoples' heads explode on this thread. Wait... they're not all commies? How shocking! :rolleyes:

Sola_Fide

10-04-2011, 04:35 PM

The interesting thing is, when I watch the kid in the video, I see an undertone of anger, almost like the Marxism of the crowd had rubbed off on him a little.

Liberty-minded people are often not angry. They have a different philosophical foundation than Marxists. I could kind of sense a little bit of contrivance in the kid's voice.

I don't know, could be wrong....

dannno

10-04-2011, 04:37 PM

No, we don't want to associate with these people. 90% of these protestors are socialists, big-government, big-welfare democrats. TOTALLY opposite to what Ron Paul advocates.

I don't want Ron Paul's name tarnished by these idiots!

Actually I'd say most of them agree with more of Ron Paul's platform than your typical GOP voter. End the wars, end the war on drugs, stop corporations from controlling government, etc..

dannno

10-05-2011, 02:36 AM

Here's a pic from the day time that I missed which was featured in our local paper:

Foreclose the FED

http://media.independent.com/img/photos/2011/10/04/Occupy-SB-Protest-5_t180.jpg?7d662043685d97479ca3193f5d07ca695b5434d c

dannno

10-05-2011, 02:32 PM

So the first night they let everybody camp in the park in front of city hall, and I didn't go last night but I guess they brought 40 cops to the park and asked everybody to leave. The 8 who were unwilling to leave, including my roommate, were arrested. Apparently there were about 100 people at the park, but the others left and were not willing to be arrested.

They're all going back tonight and he said he is willing to be arrested again.

Apparently these are the first arrests of this kind for the OWS protests.

I made a thread here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?320736-Of-160-Cities-First-OWS-Arrests-Made-of-Non-Obstructive-Peaceful-Protesters-Last-Night

parocks

10-05-2011, 02:42 PM

Hmm I have no idea who that is myself :p

I know Ben as the lead singer of Hierosonic. I've known him maybe 7 or 8 years? Didn't realize until less than a week ago that he's made 3 popular conspiracy movies in the last 2-3 years. Good for him.

dannno

10-05-2011, 02:55 PM

Zeitgeist movement :D

Is bigger than you think (just fyi)

dannno

10-05-2011, 02:55 PM

I know Ben as the lead singer of Hierosonic. I've known him maybe 7 or 8 years? Didn't realize until less than a week ago that he's made 3 popular conspiracy movies in the last 2-3 years. Good for him.

Oh, my bad, I was thinking you were talking about someone else.

parocks

10-05-2011, 03:10 PM

Watch Ungrip, consider that we screened it to everybody there, and then tell me this whole thing is being controlled by Soros..

Soros didn't set THIS protest up!

Even if he did, that's what we have to do, help control the scene and educate people. Make it backfire on Soros.

When I say "that's what we have to do", I don't mean everybody. If you are in a Republican committee or engrained into the party and are working on Republicans and don't want to go to this type of thing, then don't.. but this is your thing and you are thinking about going and educating people, I say go for it.

cmon danno. The protests very much could be set up by SEIU, Acorn, Soros. The first time I heard of these protests was from a guy in Maine who has been protesting LePage. He didn't like that LePage took a mural down. And protest he did.

If you go somewhere and show ungrip, that just means that you showed ungrip at a SEIU protest. It doesn't mean it isn't a SEIU protest.

I'm somewhere in the middle on this. Ron Paul Supporters are drawn to protests - moths to light. All the screaming to stop isn't going to do anything.

The protesters want to take your money. It's what's going on in Maine, Wisconsin, and any place where budget deficits mean cutting government jobs with excellent perks. They do not want 1 cut in government at all.

And that's what Ron Paul is all about. Ron Paul wants less government, the protesters want government jobs for all.

Ron Paul has the 2 things that make him better, to Democrats, than the other Republicans don't have. Military and drugs. But those aren't Ron Paul's core issues. Ron Paul's core issues are much smaller government.

The protesters prefer Obama to Republicans in November 2012. But they should prefer Paul to Romneyperry.

Ungrip doesn't mention Ron Paul at all, basically the themes are 1) there are conspiracies 2) don't fight them until you get your own shit together 3) live in the woods.

I'm pleased that even more of this action is coming out of South Central PA, where most of the rock bands are pro Ron Paul. Most of the strongest counties in PA got Ron Paul 20%. I'm from one of the 20% counties, Ben is from those counties. Paul Topete is from those counties. The 20% numbers were not antiwar. They were conspiracy numbers. Rothschild and Bilderberg were the message. Rothschild gave Soros his money back in the late 1960s.

If you go there with a movie about Rothschild and Schiff and Soros, great.

parocks

10-05-2011, 03:13 PM

Is bigger than you think (just fyi)

What exactly is Zeitgeist movement?

The Hierosonic tour was designed to get Hierosonic to the Zeitgeist events in LA a couple weeks ago and then back.

Presumably it has something to do with the movie Zeitgeist from a few years back. But what exactly how does it differ from standard anti-conspiracy stuff.

dannno

10-05-2011, 03:23 PM

If you go somewhere and show ungrip, that just means that you showed ungrip at a SEIU protest. It doesn't mean it isn't a SEIU protest.

Yes, and on top of that everybody thoroughly enjoyed it.

Ungrip doesn't mention Ron Paul at all, basically the themes are 1) there are conspiracies 2) don't fight them until you get your own shit together 3) live in the woods.

Those are not the main themes in the film. The themes are that consent to your property and person as well as consent to be governed comes from the individual and it is not inherent. Personal responsibility. Personal sovereignty. Responsibility to your land and your neighbor's land. Sustainability. Freedom.

dannno

10-05-2011, 03:38 PM

What exactly is Zeitgeist movement?

The Hierosonic tour was designed to get Hierosonic to the Zeitgeist events in LA a couple weeks ago and then back.

Presumably it has something to do with the movie Zeitgeist from a few years back. But what exactly how does it differ from standard anti-conspiracy stuff.

The Zeitgeist movement is the educational component of the Venus Project. The Venus Project is the scientific and city design portion of their philosophy.

You must not have seen Zeitgeist 2 and 3. I actually liked the first one, the other two have their upsides but heavily departed from how and why the first film was done. A bit disappointing, actually. Zeitgeist 2 focuses heavily on technology and sustainable energy and how our current economic system props up oil as an energy source and paralyzes sustainable energy in order to maintain control. While I agree that is occurring, it is because our government subsidizes the oil industry directly and with our trillion and a half dollar foreign empire, not due to the reasons they cite.

The technology they present and discuss is valuable, the way in which they want to implement it, not so much. They blame money and greed for these companies positioning themselves like that and want to create a resource based economy where a super computer determines where all of the resources are and helps to allocate them to the most needed places.. sky farms are much more efficient and they are built and everybody is fed. City design is a big component. No force is required because everybody realizes that this is the most efficient way to make sure people are taken care of. There is a lot more to it than I just described. They make some interesting arguments but I strongly disagree with their solution, obviously. They are sort of like techno-communists. But it's all supposed to be voluntary, so as long as it stays voluntary, I have no problem with them building cities and gathering and distributing resources, they have every right to do that in a free society.

The third film actually has a really good section in the beginning about how our DNA is changed by our environment, especially during development. Stefan Molyneux actually really did like this section of the film and has some strong critiques of the rest of the film on youtube.

Here is a comedy sketch comparing Ron Paul and Zeitgeist that is pretty funny:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?319327-Rap-News-Positive-Video-Featuring-Ron-Paul-Going-Viral!!

parocks

10-05-2011, 04:23 PM

Yes, and on top of that everybody thoroughly enjoyed it.

Those are not the main themes in the film. The themes are that consent to your property and person as well as consent to be governed comes from the individual and it is not inherent. Personal responsibility. Personal sovereignty. Responsibility to your land and your neighbor's land. Sustainability. Freedom.

Half the film was Rob of the Page Family explaining things, a little bit was about how his house was efficient, and how he didn't need permits, because he refused to say that he was "Rob Page", rather, that he was Rob of the Page family, which is apparently different in the magical way he described it. There were a lot of interesting theories like "Canada is just water" and things like that in it. Yes, a substantial part did deal with "consent to your property and person and consent to be governed comes from the individual", because if you just say "nope, not me, I no longer sign anything, I'm calling myself Rob of the Page family, not Robert Page, or ROBERT PAGE, the government can't convict you of anything." It's the latest in the "natural person" how tos.

What I expect is happening with that is the Government sees that it would take so long to argue with "Rob of the Page family" that it would be economically inefficient to try to fine him or throw him in jail for driving without a licence. I expect that if Rob of the Page family did something that the government really didn't like, they'd risk headaches to throw him in jail.

I'm not against living in the woods, off the grid, in a big pile of old tires. Sounds good to me. And unique views of the legal system I'm all for. And I think Ben (he's the guy in the Red Hot Chili Peppers tshirt, also the filmmaker) comes across very well.

parocks

10-05-2011, 04:49 PM

I looked at the Zeitgeist vs Ron Paul rap thing.

I don't think I really get that at all.

I vaguely remember Zeitgeist 1 (I think). I may not have watched it. I think I thought it was a conspiracy movie, and I probably gave up when I thought they were going off track.

It seems like the Zeitgeist people are "planners". And planners are bad. But they do talk about Rothschild and Bilderberg, which are real people, real things, as opposed to some of the less provable stuff.

Ben mentions Rothschild but zips right to 13 illuminati bloodlines, which is where they kinda lose me. There's enough documented stuff about the Rothschilds that a movie just about them I think would be best.

The Zeitgeist stuff seems to have a bit too much weird hypnotics. Not interested in being hypnotized. Just "get Rothschilds and Bilderberg".

But that's me. I'm in favor of growing vegetables instead of lawns if that's relevant.

Feeding the Abscess

10-05-2011, 05:36 PM

This the LA Occupation thing, dannnnnnnnnnno?

dannno

10-08-2011, 09:45 PM

I am planning on camping out in front of the fed with occupy sf tonight :D

dannno

10-08-2011, 09:50 PM

They have been camping in front of the fed for at least a week, they got kicked out yesterday for having too much equipment and serving food, but sleeping bags and backpacks and pads are ok apparently still.

dannno

10-08-2011, 09:53 PM

This the LA Occupation thing, dannnnnnnnnnno?

Nope, further north, and just drove up to sf with some friends today

dannno

10-10-2011, 10:36 AM

I just camped out in front of the Federal Reserve in San Francisco the other night with OccupySF. Unfortunately I wasn't able to join them during the day, it just happened that I was in town and needed a place to crash and couldn't think of a better spot.

There were about 80-100 or so people sleeping when I got there, only a few people were up and about. We had to take off right away when we woke up in the morning, but at night I walked around and saw a LOT of End the Fed signs and even some make-shift Ron Paul signs.

I went to a hippie/burner festival all day and night yesterday, there was a guy with a Ron Paul 2012 shirt dressed up as a super hero!!

dannno

10-10-2011, 04:15 PM

Has anybody else here camped out in front of a Fed building for protest before :confused:

LibertyEagle

10-10-2011, 04:19 PM

Actually I'd say most of them agree with more of Ron Paul's platform than your typical GOP voter. End the wars, end the war on drugs, stop corporations from controlling government, etc..

Yeah, except don't most of the ones you're talking about only have a problem with government giving the money to corporations? Isn't their beef that they want the money redistributed to them, instead? In other words, aren't they in love with big government?

PaulConventionWV

10-10-2011, 05:32 PM

Yeah, except don't most of the ones you're talking about only have a problem with government giving the money to corporations? Isn't their beef that they want the money redistributed to them, instead? In other words, aren't they in love with big government?

Corporations don't control government. Government controls corporations.

Avalon

10-10-2011, 06:59 PM

Corporations don't control government. Government controls corporations. Goldman Sachs (et al) control the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve controls (what's left of) the economy. The SEC shreds evidence from closed cases so it can't be used in later investigations (for their buddies who run an empire based on fraud and theft). The media controls what and how people think, what issues get focus politically and which issues are killed (and who are 'viable' candidates). Every year the money spent on lobbying increases; I hear K street is supposed to be extended outside the district. Legislation are written by corporations and not even read by the congresscritter who introduces it. They are written to stifle competition (especially small businesses, who can't afford compliance departments) and carefully pick winners and losers. Face it, we suffer under a Corporatocracy.

PS, I'll be coming to NYC to see OWS myself in a week.

speciallyblend

10-10-2011, 07:21 PM

get the hell out of there. it is all setup by soros, seiu, and acorn. this is not our fight, get out of there

bottom line, stay away from this, i actually went and tried to walk the sidewalk and was verbally abused and surrounded and attacked for having my ron paul sign. I even had one guy try to take my ron paul sign. It took everything that i had not to kick this guys ass. long story short. There are few there that know whats going on, but many of the ows crowd are anti-freedom!!! I do have some video just might take awhile to get the video up. I was not expecting that response from the ows folks. O well, maybe it was my obama/bush 2012 sign or me saying obama/bush 2012 bring our troops home. ps i did get some blackthisout flyers out to folks and to other rp folks to pass out as well:) plenty of ron paul folks showed up to sign wave.

wgadget

10-10-2011, 07:26 PM

Goldman Sachs (et al) control the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve controls (what's left of) the economy. The SEC shreds evidence from closed cases so it can't be used in later investigations (for their buddies who run an empire based on fraud and theft). The media controls what and how people think, what issues get focus politically and which issues are killed (and who are 'viable' candidates). Every year the money spent on lobbying increases; I hear K street is supposed to be extended outside the district. Legislation are written by corporations and not even read by the congresscritter who introduces it. They are written to stifle competition (especially small businesses, who can't afford compliance departments) and carefully pick winners and losers. Face it, we suffer under a Corporatocracy.

PS, I'll be coming to NYC to see OWS myself in a week.

Isn't this what the Security and Prosperity Partnership was about that Cain attended in 2006? I hope Ron or SOMEONE calls him out as a globalist at the debate tomorrow (the one on ECONOMICS).

demolama

10-10-2011, 07:32 PM

So I didn't get to break out my End the Fed sign with the Thomas Jefferson inflation quote that most of you have seen, but I will break that out on Saturday when there is a big march planned.

Perhaps wise you don't... that quote attributed to Jefferson was never said by him

dannno

10-13-2011, 01:34 PM

Perhaps wise you don't... that quote attributed to Jefferson was never said by him

I believe it was, as it was attributed to him very early in the 20th century. I wouldn't imagine the original letter to have survived the banking establishment's control of information if it contained that sort of language.

Sunstruck-Eden

10-13-2011, 01:43 PM

jcarcinogen

10-13-2011, 05:19 PM

Got to say, the one in Seattle scared the crap out of me. Maybe because it was eight o'clock at night and they were starting to chant some stuff and it smelled like BO, but yeah...I got out of there as fast I could. They seemed a tad violent at the moment and it seemed if any of them opposed my position (I had a ron paul sign because it was the sign bomb) I would become an easy target for aggression.

I've gone to the Seattle one a few times and its true that there are some of the veteran WTO anarchist types and the younger ones are proud 'progressives' but they are fed up with Gregoir, McGinn, and Obama for the most part. The reason they chant is what they call a Mic check to make announcements without a real Mic, they reiterate what someone says so the rest can hear. I have a lot of liberal friends so maybe I'm just more of a diplomat.

dannno

10-13-2011, 05:23 PM

I have a lot of liberal friends so maybe I'm just more of a diplomat.

I think that's one of the key differences we are seeing here between the people who are for or against going to these events..

I actually feel way more at home at a OWS protest than a Tea Party protest, except for when it was all Ron Paul supporters in the Tea Party.

Sunstruck-Eden

10-13-2011, 06:09 PM

I've gone to the Seattle one a few times and its true that there are some of the veteran WTO anarchist types and the younger ones are proud 'progressives' but they are fed up with Gregoir, McGinn, and Obama for the most part. The reason they chant is what they call a Mic check to make announcements without a real Mic, they reiterate what someone says so the rest can hear. I have a lot of liberal friends so maybe I'm just more of a diplomat.

I have a lot of liberal friends myself (Seattle University happens to be one of the most liberal schools in the Northwest) but I just had a bad feeling when I was there. I'm pretty sure the Tea Party would scare me just as much. Protests can easily sway to violence, given the right motivation.