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orenbus
10-03-2011, 08:20 AM
Video is from just after Fox News Republican presidential debate in Greenville, SC on May 5, 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPQw1xkAEow

Bruno
10-03-2011, 08:39 AM
Drudge this

bluesc
10-03-2011, 08:45 AM
Drudge this

Done.

orenbus
10-03-2011, 08:46 AM
I was trying to find a video of him over the weekend that he may have flip flopped on this issue which would make for an interesting video. Haven't found anything yet, I'm surprised no one in the media has asked him the question about the assassination since it's been big news and he was on the weekend shows. Anyone know of any articles or videos where he may have touched on this issue?

Bruno
10-03-2011, 08:54 AM
Done.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bluesc again.

Agorism
10-03-2011, 09:00 AM
Bump

Microsecessionist
10-03-2011, 09:06 AM
I'm sure that he's just changing his position again as someone else already noted. Either that, or in his mind, if it's Obama doing it, then it's not okay. I don't ever remember him speaking out against Bush's abuse of Executive powers.

Dr.3D
10-03-2011, 09:09 AM
Wow, he doesn't agree with the majority of people.
--------------------------------------------
The morality of killing a terrorist
September 30, 2011
Congressman Ron Paul criticized the Obama administration for "assassinating" U.S.-born Anwar al-Awlaki with a drone attack. Where do you stand?
He's right - it's immoral & illegal 46%
Al-Awlaki's killing is justified 54%
3914 total votes
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hxxp://billoreilly.com/poll-center

orenbus
10-03-2011, 09:09 AM
I don't know if any of you guys visit the AR15.com website but it seems like this may have originated from a heated discussion on their forum regarding the original video taken and a Ron Paul supporter most likely saw the video and clipped out the important part.

Here is a link to the heated thread that was started by the original video:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1236864_Herman_Cain_agrees_with_Ron_Paul_on_Anwar_ al_Awlaki.html&page=1&anc=bottom

misconstrued
10-03-2011, 09:28 AM
Cain will be on Hannity tonight. I hope it comes up.

pauliticalfan
10-03-2011, 09:35 AM
This needs to be known by everyone.

Orion
10-03-2011, 09:35 AM
...SOS. Cain, "I was against it before I was for it", blah blah, woof woof...

FA.Hayek
10-03-2011, 09:38 AM
spread this!

sailingaway
10-03-2011, 09:39 AM
I'm sure if he gets flak on it he will change his position. So far every position that didn't make people happy, he changed. Not exactly fixed principles I would want to have to rely on.

IterTemporis
10-03-2011, 09:41 AM
I wonder if he will still stand by this knowing that he is agreeing with the 'grumpy old man'.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't even Saddam Hussein get a trial?

gosmo
10-03-2011, 09:46 AM
I don't know if any of you guys visit the AR15.com website but it seems like this may have originated from a heated discussion on their forum regarding the original video taken and a Ron Paul supporter most likely saw the video and clipped out the important part.

Here is a link to the heated thread that was started by the original video:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1236864_Herman_Cain_agrees_with_Ron_Paul_on_Anwar_ al_Awlaki.html&page=1&anc=bottom

Wow, some of those comments are atrocious. One guy even wanted the CIA to keep these things secret. Is he insane?

jmdrake
10-03-2011, 09:50 AM
Now this is why coming to RPF on a daily basis is worth it! I regret I only have one +rep to give the OP for this thread!

jmdrake
10-03-2011, 09:52 AM
I'm sure if he gets flak on it he will change his position. So far every position that didn't make people happy, he changed. Not exactly fixed principles I would want to have to rely on.

True. But for our purposes that doesn't matter. We've got the soundbite of Herman Cain agreeing with Ron Paul on this. It's up to us to use it.

Edit: If we were on our A game we'd have a phone bank of volunteers just for the purpose of calling into talk radio with this information.

orenbus
10-03-2011, 09:57 AM
Wow, some of those comments are atrocious. One guy even wanted the CIA to keep these things secret. Is he insane?

Yea and the truth is a lot of people think like that out there. I remember back in I think it was 2003 or 2004 there were reports of the government spying on Americans and using tactics that were completely illegal far and beyond what laws had been passed at that time in reaction to 9/11, following the patriot act. I remember I was at a local restaurant on lunch break with a coworker that was an ex-cop and the story came up on the tv by the bar.

He asked me what I thought about that, at the time I was formulating opinions since we were still getting over 9/11 although I knew the Iraq War was wrong and most likely we were going overboard I didn't say anything. My coworker took my silence as an acceptance of the practice and he told me "yea the way I see it as long as we don't need to know about it they should just do whatever they have to do to keep us safe." Basically saying if the government has to break laws, torture, spy, kill, whatever it takes as long as it doesn't make it to the news so that the public has to decide if it is right or not then he didn't care.

iamse7en
10-03-2011, 10:11 AM
Cain will be on Hannity tonight. I hope it comes up.

$100 says he either doesn't answer the question, or he says he should have been assassinated.

jmdrake
10-03-2011, 10:15 AM
$100 says he either doesn't answer the question, or he says he should have been assassinated.

I'd bet Hannity doesn't even bring it up. Or if he does bring it up, no mention is made of Cain's earlier statement. We've got to be the ones to press this.

jct74
10-03-2011, 10:23 AM
Jack Hunter has picked this up on the Paulitical Ticker, although he didn't link to the video, he linked to a story in The Atlantic from May where Cain basically says the same thing.


THE ATLANTIC: President Obama has said that he has the authority to assassinate American citizens if he’s declared them an enemy combatant in the War on Terror. Al Awlaki is one guy who is on the official government list where he can be taken out. Do you have any thoughts on that?

CAIN: I don’t believe that the president of the United States should order the assassination of citizens of the United States. That’s why we have our court system, and that’s why we have our laws. Even if the person is suspected of being affiliated with terrorism, if they are a citizen of this country, they still deserve the rights of this country, which includes due process. Osama bin Laden was not a citizen of the United States of America. So I would not have changed the decision the president made in that regard. But if you’re a citizen, no, it is not right for the president to think he has the power to have you assassinated. No. He has the power to make sure you’re locked up, but you have to go through due process.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/10/03/herman-cain-is-right/

Pretty sure Jack got that from RPF, it was posted here earlier in another thread.

TXcarlosTX
10-03-2011, 10:24 AM
sent to drudge

jct74
10-03-2011, 10:41 AM
Awesome, it's on The Right Scoop. That a conservative site with pretty decent traffic. Lots of neocons will see this.
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-anwar-al-awlaki-should-be-arrested-and-charged-as-american-citizen/

jason43
10-03-2011, 11:14 AM
A lot of the people on the AR forum were talking about him being killed on the battlefield... no one mentions that he was killed a thousand miles from any battlefield while he was driving somewhere via drone strike. He wasnt engaging us troops, if he was, I'm pretty sure no one would say anything about his death. If Johnny Walker Lindh was KIA fighting troops in Afghanistan this wouldnt be an issue. This guy was accused essencially of making youtube videos that convinced people to commit terrorist acts and he was targeted without even a charge against him.

We have set the stage for the government to declare tea party leaders, occupy wall St, gold bugs, libertarians, pro-lifers, or any other group that criticizes any government policy to be summarily executed as an enemy of the state without a trial or charge. This is a precident that has been set with the support of the media and the public. Anyone that the government labels a terrorist can be disposed of without even evidence of their guilt. Hitler even had fake trials for 'terrorists'. We arent even paying lip service to legality. The fact that Cheney supports Obama on this should be a red flag.

jct74
10-03-2011, 12:18 PM
The Atlantic has picked up the video and there is also a thread on Free Republic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/herman-cain-in-may-dont-kill-anwar-al-awlaki/246053/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2787193/posts

ZanZibar
10-03-2011, 12:47 PM
The Atlantic has picked up the video and there is also a thread on Free Republic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/herman-cain-in-may-dont-kill-anwar-al-awlaki/246053/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2787193/postsAwesome. Let's see if he can either openly support Ron, or flip-flop. Either way it benefits us.

jct74
10-03-2011, 12:54 PM
Awesome. Let's see if he can either openly support Ron, or flip-flop. Either way it benefits us.

Oh, he already flip-flopped by the way, read the update to The Right Scoop story:
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-anwar-al-awlaki-should-be-arrested-and-charged-as-american-citizen/

SWATH
10-03-2011, 01:16 PM
The new 6th amendement:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense. [Unless the president says they did something really really bad.] amend. 2011.

jasonxe
10-03-2011, 01:22 PM
Cain is on record for supporting the patriot act except assassinating u.s citizens.

klamath
10-03-2011, 01:36 PM
As someone pointed out on the free republic forums they could have held a trial in absentia for this guy.

ZanZibar
10-03-2011, 01:45 PM
Oh, he already flip-flopped by the way, read the update to The Right Scoop story:
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-anwar-al-awlaki-should-be-arrested-and-charged-as-american-citizen/This flip-flop could very well be the end of Herman Cain's candidacy. :D


All started right here on Ron Paul Forums :cool:


Keep up the good work!

orenbus
10-03-2011, 01:45 PM
Was watching Fox News the other day (I know I know) was waiting for O'Reilly to announce the results of his web poll. Anyway he was having a conversation with Karl Rove about the candidates, Rove mentioned that Herman Cain isn't a serious candidate. Bill asked him why he would say that? Rove answered because his schedule is setup for a book tour and not a campaign tour, he's going to be away from early primary states and instead of campaigning he will be promoting his book.

Looks like the media is picking up on this:

Herman Cain leaving the campaign trail: Why now?
Herman Cain is surging in popularity in a number of polls. So why is Herman Cain putting his campaign on hold for the next month?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2011/1003/Herman-Cain-leaving-the-campaign-trail-Why-now

Well one thing you can say about this guy, he knows what he wants and it has nothing to do with becoming President.

jct74
10-03-2011, 02:00 PM
Weigel and Daily Caller:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/10/03/on_al_allawi_killing_it_s_paul_and_cain_versus_san torum_and_bach.html
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/03/cain-in-may-dont-kill-al-awlaki/

CaptainAmerica
10-03-2011, 02:01 PM
"NO.He is an american citizen,and if he is an american citizen there is a big difference."-herman cain

He still doesn't understand why a charge and trial are important.He should be asked about letters of marquee and reprisal in regards to this issue.

SWATH
10-03-2011, 02:02 PM
This flip-flop could very well be the end of Herman Cain's candidacy. :D


All started right here on Ron Paul Forums :cool:


Keep up the good work!

This doesn't help him either:
http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/one-week-before-collapse-cain-says-economy-great/
http://004eeb5.netsolhost.com/hc126.htm

cucucachu0000
10-03-2011, 02:19 PM
Drudge the video let's do our best to spread it.

RIPLEYMOM
10-03-2011, 02:23 PM
Nice tactic: The media destroys Ron while their candidate becomes him. Campaign might consider pointing this out in an ad. There are plenty of examples to capitalize on.

Also, I don't understand why O'Reilly got rid of Cain's poll results as well as Ron's unless FOX used Cain to try and shed the image of targeting only Ron thereby gifting Cain with sympathizers as a strategy proven effective in our campaign.

jmdrake
10-03-2011, 02:37 PM
Awesome, it's on The Right Scoop. That a conservative site with pretty decent traffic. Lots of neocons will see this.
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-anwar-al-awlaki-should-be-arrested-and-charged-as-american-citizen/

LOL. Herman Cain supporters seem conflicted over this. For example:

Natassia
There should be a better procedure than the president getting to declare someone as an enemy. Even police must go through the court system to get warrants and so forth. Couldn't the justice department seek a ruling from the courts declaring someone an enemy with all the evidence provided to the public for their scrutiny?

But then from the same person:

Natassia
Oh, Herman...lately you've been saying things, especially regarding racism, that make me pray you are just playing the game to attract black voters. And now this nonsense about arresting Awlaki. By fighting with our sworn militant enemies, he made himself an enemy of the state, guilty of treason and deserving nothing less than death.


This is the best Herman Cain flip-flop ever.

jct74
10-03-2011, 02:44 PM
here's a little bit more on exactly what Cain said to backtrack at Teacon this weekend:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/10/03/was_killing_al-awlaki_unconstitutional


I asked Herman Cain about Al-Awlaki's death at the presidential forum at "Tea Con" on Saturday. Back in May, Cain said he opposed a shoot-to-kill order against any US citizen in the absence of due process:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPQw1xkAEow

On Saturday, Cain (reluctantly) changed his position. He told me the case against Al-Awlaki was based on overwhelming, incontrovertible evidence, and that certain "exceptions" should be made in special circumstances. He said he supported the strike on Al-Awlaki, and no longer questioned Obama's kill order. I'm pleased that Cain has adjusted his approach on this controversy, but I'd still question his stated rationale here. The targeted killing of a dangerous enemy in a time of war was not "an exception" to the Constitution. It was an action that hewed to the law of the land, as described above. Although I'd argue that he's flipped to the correct side of this question, Cain should be pressed further on his views. For former Pizza mogul's popular appeal is real, undeniable, and growing -- but on issues that lie beyond his wheelhouse, he must convince voters that he isn't making up his policy views as he goes along. Second- or third-tier candidates may be able to escape intense scrutiny of sundry inconsistencies and missteps. First tier candidates generally cannot.

jct74
10-03-2011, 02:52 PM
Doug Wead. Nice!
http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/herman-cain-flip-flops-on-killing-al-awlaki/


Herman Cain Flip Flops on Killing Al Awlaki

Fox News spent a whole Sunday segment on the legality of President Obama’s killing of Al Awlaki, an American citizen. Bill Kristol chuckled condescendingly and said that no candidate except for Ron Paul is complaining about it and therefore it is a non-issue. Kristol implied that the killing was legal and morally justified. Everyone else on the panel agreed. No one explained why they spent a whole segment talking about something that was supposed to be a non-issue.

But it turns out that Bill Kristol was wrong. Herman Cain was asked about the killing of Al Awlaki several months ago and stated clearly that it was wrong and unconstitutional. I am posting the Youtube of the Herman Cain interview below for you to see for yourself.

So get this straight. President Obama must get a federal judge to sign a warrant before he can listen in on the telephone conversations of an American citizen but he can kill an American citizen without it. He just need support from the American news media.

Interesting.

This is about as far from the U. S. Constitution and Bill of Rights as one can get. This is running the country by the news media and a popular leader.

Ron Paul made it very clear today that he condemns what Al Awlaki did and what he stands for. He voted to go into Afghanistan and to hunt down Osama Bin Laden. But he pointed out that even with Timothy McVeigh, we brought him to trial and he was convicted by a jury and sentenced by a judge. And he was executed. He was not killed on an order of the president.

During the Nuremberg Trials the prosecution took great pains to show how Nazi Germany started its fall into the abyss. A great amount of time was taken to explain how gullible the German people were to accept Hitler’s actions during the Blood Purge when Ernst Rohm and other SA leaders were summarily killed without trial. This should have been a warning, the court was told. Instead it was applauded by the population. After all, the men that Hitler had killed were bad men.

One of the four major counts against the Nuremberg defendants was the waging of an aggressive (preemptive) war. It is now our American foreign policy.

We are at an interesting point in our history. It is worth a discussion before we race ahead.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPQw1xkAEow

jct74
10-03-2011, 02:59 PM
LOL, this is too funny. The Atlantic has written their second article of the day over this.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/herman-cain-criticized-the-al-awlaki-kill-order-twice/246082/


Herman Cain Criticized the Al-Awlaki Kill Order Twice
By Conor Friedersdorf
Oct 3 2011, 4:46 PM ET

Cain acted as though he'd never heard about the possibility before in an interview with The Atlantic in late May

What I find strange about the clip above, flagged by my colleague Chris Good, where Herman Cain says on May 5, 2011, that President Obama shouldn't have the power to order American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki killed, is that I interviewed Cain several weeks later, and had this exchange:

...

I remember the exchange because of the pronounced surprise in Cain's voice. Obviously the man was conducting a lot of conversations with reporters during that month. But it seems odd to react with such surprise to a matter of such importance when you've in fact been questioned about it before!

In any case, Cain has been documented articulating this position twice in May. If he's now chosen not to challenge Obama on the extra-judicial killing of American citizens, that would seem to be another strike against his candidacy, which shown remarkable resilience but also repeatedly stumbled over national security and foreign policy questions.

RIPLEYMOM
10-03-2011, 03:05 PM
Cain is stumped on 'right of return' question. Truthfully, I'm not sure about this either, but shouldn't a presidential candidate know this?


http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=0_3UL1n2sd0

orenbus
10-03-2011, 03:08 PM
LOL. Herman Cain supporters seem conflicted over this. For example:

Natassia
There should be a better procedure than the president getting to declare someone as an enemy. Even police must go through the court system to get warrants and so forth. Couldn't the justice department seek a ruling from the courts declaring someone an enemy with all the evidence provided to the public for their scrutiny?

But then from the same person:

Natassia
Oh, Herman...lately you've been saying things, especially regarding racism, that make me pray you are just playing the game to attract black voters. And now this nonsense about arresting Awlaki. By fighting with our sworn militant enemies, he made himself an enemy of the state, guilty of treason and deserving nothing less than death.


This is the best Herman Cain flip-flop ever.

/popcorn

:)

Verrater
10-03-2011, 03:20 PM
It has nothing to do with "what is popular." It's about what is legal and in keeping with the Constitution.

Ron Paul is apparently clueless about this issue.


I'm so glad i don't post over at arfcom anymore the level of maturity and intelligence is close to nill.

jct74
10-03-2011, 03:23 PM
3rd article from The Atlantic, LOL.

Herman Cain Flip-Flopped on the Killing of Anwar al-Awlaki
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/herman-cain-flip-flopped-on-the-killing-of-anwar-al-awlaki/246084/

Cap
10-03-2011, 03:39 PM
Sent to Drudge

GeorgiaAvenger
10-03-2011, 03:44 PM
He flipflopped, but send it anyways

Feeding the Abscess
10-03-2011, 03:51 PM
Yikes, Gary Johnson just said he would have done the same thing, but had just been "open" about it.

jct74
10-03-2011, 03:52 PM
Small little blurb on CNN Political Ticker.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/03/cains-conditional-al-awlaki-kill-policy/


Cain's conditional al-Awlaki kill policy
By: CNN Associate Producer Rebecca Stewart

(CNN) – Businessman Herman Cain previously advocated for a criminal trial in the event that al Qaeda operative Anwar al-Awlaki was captured.

But now that al-Awlaki has been killed by a drone missile, the 2012 GOP presidential candidate is "pleased that we have one less al Qaeda member that's threatening us," according to campaign spokesman JD Gordon.

When pressed on whether Cain's feelings represent a departure from his earlier views, that al-Awlaki was an American citizen and deserved a trial, Gordon said, "It would be better to try him in court (but) if that's not feasible, we don't want him out there."

In remarks made last May and posted on the Atlantic's website, Cain says al-Awlaki, "should be charged."

"And since he's an American citizen, he should be tried in our courts," he continued.

When asked if it would be legal for President to issue a kill order for al-Awlaki, Cain said, "In his case, no, because he's an American citizen."

Feeding the Abscess
10-03-2011, 03:54 PM
Gary was just walked in circles by Chris Matthews. There's no way this guy can be the next leader of the movement.

jmdrake
10-03-2011, 03:55 PM
Awesome, it's on The Right Scoop. That a conservative site with pretty decent traffic. Lots of neocons will see this.
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-anwar-al-awlaki-should-be-arrested-and-charged-as-american-citizen/

Another great "rightscoop" comment.

vindex2010
This guy is dead and good riddance, but it's sure weird how nobody here trusts Obama to spend money but you all trust him implicitly when it comes to the targeting and killing of an American citizen. Obama provided no evidence, no due process, Al-Awaki was not on a battlefiel*d and he was not in the act of committing a crime. Since all the evidence is secret and he was never charged in any crimes, all we can assume was Al-Awlaki was killed for hate speech. So everyone here is comfortable give Obama legally unlimited power with no checks and balances to target for killing US citizens? You give any President the power to do this he is no longer a President, he's a King.

Keep posting, Drudging, tweeting and Facebooking this story. It could be the one that wins Ron Paul the election!

jmdrake
10-03-2011, 03:59 PM
Yikes, Gary Johnson just said he would have done the same thing, but had just been "open" about it.

Edit: I'll have to read exactly what he said.

orenbus
10-03-2011, 04:01 PM
Cain's conditional al-Awlaki policy
By: CNN Associate Producer Rebecca Stewart

(CNN) – Businessman Herman Cain previously advocated for a criminal trial in the event that al Qaeda operative Anwar al-Awlaki was captured.

But now that al-Awlaki has been killed by a drone missile, the 2012 GOP presidential candidate is "pleased that we have one less al Qaeda member that's threatening us," according to campaign spokesman JD Gordon.

When pressed on whether Cain's feelings represent a departure from his earlier views, that al-Awlaki was an American citizen and deserved a trial, Gordon said, "It would be better to try him in court (but) if that's not feasible, we don't want him out there."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/03/cains-conditional-al-awlaki-policy/

Aratus
10-03-2011, 04:04 PM
herman cain just won two straw polls. sometimes a sitting administration has to debrief rival contenders in a political year.
did someone quietly speak to mr. herman cain, and then we see the flipflop very similar to mitt romney's many and varied?

klamath
10-03-2011, 04:16 PM
Another great "rightscoop" comment.

vindex2010
This guy is dead and good riddance, but it's sure weird how nobody here trusts Obama to spend money but you all trust him implicitly when it comes to the targeting and killing of an American citizen. Obama provided no evidence, no due process, Al-Awaki was not on a battlefiel*d and he was not in the act of committing a crime. Since all the evidence is secret and he was never charged in any crimes, all we can assume was Al-Awlaki was killed for hate speech. So everyone here is comfortable give Obama legally unlimited power with no checks and balances to target for killing US citizens? You give any President the power to do this he is no longer a President, he's a King.

Keep posting, Drudging, tweeting and Facebooking this story. It could be the one that wins Ron Paul the election!
I could go on: You don't trust obama to run healthcare, you don't trust Obama to run businesses, you don't trust Obama to save the gulf from an oil spill and you don't trust Obama to curb greenhouse gases yet you trust him to kill americans sithout due process of even any evidence? Wow my head is starting to spin.

jasonxe
10-03-2011, 04:16 PM
Another great "rightscoop" comment.

vindex2010
This guy is dead and good riddance, but it's sure weird how nobody here trusts Obama to spend money but you all trust him implicitly when it comes to the targeting and killing of an American citizen. Obama provided no evidence, no due process, Al-Awaki was not on a battlefiel*d and he was not in the act of committing a crime. Since all the evidence is secret and he was never charged in any crimes, all we can assume was Al-Awlaki was killed for hate speech. So everyone here is comfortable give Obama legally unlimited power with no checks and balances to target for killing US citizens? You give any President the power to do this he is no longer a President, he's a King.

Keep posting, Drudging, tweeting and Facebooking this story. It could be the one that wins Ron Paul the election!

he'll be banned soon enough

jct74
10-04-2011, 06:09 PM
here's the first statement I have found directly from Herman Cain addressing the flip-flop:


“I never said that [President Obama] should not have ordered [the killing]. I don’t recall saying that. I think you’ve got some misinformation," Cain said. "Keep in mind that there are a lot of people out there trying to make me sound as if I am indecisive."

“I don’t know all of the compelling evidence that the intelligence agencies and the military had. I’m convinced—I’m convinced that they have enough intelligence information that said he’s a threat to the United States of America,” Cain said. “You don’t try to prosecute or capture him simply because he’s a United States citizen.”


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/herman-cain-awlaki-iowa-and-9-9-9-plan_595029.html


Think Progress also picked this up:
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/10/04/335931/cain-tries-to-walk-back-past-support-for-trying-al-awlaki-in-u-s-courts/

and more discussion on neocon forums:
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=2329841
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2787510/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2787407/posts

jct74
10-04-2011, 09:27 PM
Video is from just after Fox News Republican presidential debate in Greenville, SC on May 5, 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPQw1xkAEow

#2 video right now when you search youtube for herman cain. love it!

ZanZibar
10-05-2011, 08:12 AM
here's the first statement I have found directly from Herman Cain addressing the flip-flop:Sounds like he just lied.