Occupy WallStreet "Official" Demands:

[TheNcredibleEgg]

This was unanimously voted on by all members of Occupy Wall Street last night, around 8pm, Sept 29. It is our first official document for release. We have three more underway, that will likely be released in the upcoming days: 1) A declaration of demands. 2) Principles of Solidarity 3) Documentation on how to form your own Direct Democracy Occupation Group. This is a living document. you can receive an official press copy of the latest version by emailing c2anycga@gmail.com.

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

It's grassroots folks.


A few I agree with - especially #2.

[alsis8xmy]

That's a lovely set of observations. Still waiting to hear actual actionable demands.

[AuH20]

They sound like a collection of spoiled brats. Many of the folks in this forum simply want to be left alone as opposed to submitting a list of demands to the criminals. I don't want a cent of their blood money. I want them to shrink away into the darkness.

[phill4paul]

"They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation."

So they are protesting against affirmative action? :D

[pcosmar]

They sound like a collection of spoiled brats. Many of the folks in this forum simply want to be left alone as opposed to submitting a list of demands to the criminals. I don't want a cent of their blood money. I want them to shrink away into the darkness.
Well they can't legally and vocally express the desire that the Fed and Banksters be hanged in the public square.
So this will have to do.

[FrankRep]

3) Documentation on how to form your own Direct Democracy Occupation Group.

Ron Paul: Democracy is not Freedom (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul233.html)

Ron Paul: A Republic, Not a Democracy (http://www.free-press.biz/usa/A-republic.htm)

Ron Paul: A Republic, If You Can Keep It (http://www.ronpaulforcongress.com/html/republic.html)

Walter Williams: Democracy vs. Liberty (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/walter-williams/6430-democracy-versus-liberty)


"The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived."
- John Quincy Adams

"Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
- James Madison

Democracy is the most vile form of government
- James Madison

"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."
- John Adams

[brandon]

lmao all those thousands of people and this is the best writer they could find. I'm sure "They" are shaking in their boots. I particularly lol'd @ this part


c2anycga@gmail.com.

~snip~

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

[Travlyr]

It is interesting that they are not targeting the culprit -- Ending the Federal Reserve System.


"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power of money should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson

Separation of Money and State will liberate.

[AuH20]

lmao all those thousands of people and this is the best writer they could find. I'm sure "They" are shaking in their boots. I particularly lol'd @ this part

Privacy? what kind of privacy do you reserve when you're pleading for a universal healthcare system? :D That's the epitome of anti-privacy.

[UtahApocalypse]

Well I now know I am against this whole thing 100%!!!

[brushfire]

This protest is not organic... They are misguided, and should be going after the government for being the catalyst of corporatism. Instead, they show outrage at the markets, and beg for more government.

This is part of a financial terrorism scheme - "They" know that obummer is in big trouble, so "they" seize their opportunity while they can.

It will be interesting to see what comes in the following weeks and months. I think this is just the beginning.

[specsaregood]

Well I now know I am against this whole thing 100%!!!
I dunno:


They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

I'm against the bailouts and corporate welfare; but if we do decide to do it, I see no problem with mandating that companies that take the bailout can't pay their employees more than the federal poverty level or more than they would make on welfare.

[pcosmar]

I don't know how "official" it is. About as official as someone posting a thread here claiming it is the official thread (among the other 6 threads)

This is likely not official either,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5xRaQnHGA0

[affa]

I support the list, overall.

However, to believe it is 'unanimously' representative of them all simply because it says so is absurd. we're talking about a amorphous assembly of tons of people.

[ClayTrainor]

Source: http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
(http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/)

Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement!
(http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/)




Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.


Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four:Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.






ugh....

[AuH20]

Source: http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
(http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/)
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[CENTER]


ugh....

Is that a thud I hear? Wow. It's even worse than I could have imagined.

[ClayTrainor]

Is that a thud I hear? Wow. It's even worse than I could have imagined.

They have loud and vociferous opinions on subjects that they also appear to have no substantial knowledge on, whatsoever. Most obviously, Economics. This quote comes to mind...



"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance."

~ Murray Rotbhard

[ClayTrainor]

Is that a thud I hear? Wow. It's even worse than I could have imagined.

lol, someone on another forum posted this as a response...


A summarization, in case you don't have time to read it all:

Demand 1a: Free money. 1b: Punish the foreigners. 1c: Free money.


Demand 2: Free shit.


Demand 3: Free money.


Demand 4: Free shit.


Demand 5: Burn all the cars.


Demand 6: Free money, and make the roads awesome, so the ride in those burned up cars will be smooth.


Demand 7: Free money, oh, and plow over the roads you just built, and plant trees.


Demand 8: Treat everyone the same, man.


Demand 9: Moment of random sanity: Open Borders


Demand 10: Take a bold leap into 1880, and bring back paper ballots. While you're at it, also bring back the organ grinder.


Demand 11: Free money.


Demand 12: Free credit.


Demand 13: Direct democracy for union workers.


STEP 3: PROFIT!

[Wesker1982]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHNDwZM_AS4&feature=channel_video_title

[AuH20]

lol, someone on another forum posted this as a response...

How are we going to pay for all this? :)

[ClayTrainor]

How are we going to pay for all this? :)

http://ondemand.erosentertainment.com/img/product/bigger/adz_clips_2l.jpg

[AuH20]

http://ondemand.erosentertainment.com/img/product/bigger/adz_clips_2l.jpg

That's also why Michael Moore doesn't want to get rid of the fed. They can only squeeze out so much revenue from the worker ants.

[Keith and stuff]

The first demand should read, "I'm a lazy, deadbeat that refuses to take an responsibility or pay my bill." That's enough for me to not care about anything else these shiftless losers say.

[dannno]

lol, someone on another forum posted this as a response...

My roommate brought up the "food is a human right" thing the other night, so I asked him, "Great, who do you shoot when someone starves?"

He didn't have a good answer.

[ZanZibar]

Ron Paul on the Occupy Wall Street protest - a blog by Doug Wead, Sr Adviser to the Ron Paul 2012 Campaign:
http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/ron-paul-and-the-occupy-wall-street-protest/




Ron Paul discusses it with Reason Magazine:
http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/01/ron-paul-talks-about-the-occup



And Jack Hunter discusses it on Freedom Watch with Judge Napolitano last night:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3kcxARJ1YzQ

[dannno]

That said, I had a great OWS experience.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?320342-My-Occupy-Wall-St.-Experience..-I-have-to-laugh

[FrankRep]

That said, I had a great OWS experience.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?320342-My-Occupy-Wall-St.-Experience..-I-have-to-laugh

Did you fix that false Thomas Jefferson quote (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp)?

[brandon]

Holy shit at that list of demands. These people must be completely braindead. Really is unbelievable that they can't see any of the inevitable disastrous outcomes of these ideas.

[Becker]

Holy shit at that list of demands. These people must be completely braindead. Really is unbelievable that they can't see any of the inevitable disastrous outcomes of these ideas.

its called "got nothing, got nothing to lose"

[Diurdi]

5th point is about animal treatment? Seriously...

[FrankRep]

Holy shit at that list of demands. These people must be completely braindead. Really is unbelievable that they can't see any of the inevitable disastrous outcomes of these ideas.
Just a reminder, they are Socialist. They have Agendas, not logic.

[FreeTraveler]

I'm not convinced, at all, that OWS is a benefit to the liberty movement.

However, that "List of Demands" in post #15 is from a forum post at Occupy Wall Street. Would you hold the whole liberty movement responsible for a "List of Demands" some random poster created on RPF?

[pcosmar]

The Official RPF thread.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?317724-OFFICIAL-Thread-for-all-Official-Topics

[Working Poor]

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

i almost agree with this. I believe the poisoning is deliberate not negligence...

[Chieppa1]

Too late

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[Cutlerzzz]

They sound like a collection of spoiled brats. Many of the folks in this forum simply want to be left alone as opposed to submitting a list of demands to the criminals. I don't want a cent of their blood money. I want them to shrink away into the darkness.Half of this board hates business with a passion. It's sad, really. The upper, lower, and middle classes all try to get the government to give them other people's money through force. So do unions and small business. So do whites, blacks, hispanics, and every other race and creed. Most of this board isn't protesting them.

Government is the problem, not Wall Street.

“The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else.”

-Frederic Bastiat

[Sola_Fide]

That list was communist garbage.

[dannno]

Did you fix that false Thomas Jefferson quote (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp)?

Haha, I knew you were going to link to snopes.. lolz..

I would be willing to bet that the quote was in the letter, somebody had a copy and cited it in the 1930s, and all of the original copies of the letter were destroyed or lost. Information used to be really easy to control back in the day because there wasn't very much of it. The fact that the quotes survived all this time is awesome, and if I'm wrong, still the fact that ANYBODY made that quote back in the 1930s which is proveable is absolutely priceless. The snopes article talks about it like somebody came up with it yesterday when they get into their whole attributing something to someone after the fact speech.

Either way, it is very educational, and nobody can prove that the quote was never in the letter.

[pcosmar]

Government is the problem, not Wall Street.


Wall Street is joined at the Hip with Big Government. The Federal Reserve intricately involved with Wall Street.
The Banking industry (Federal Reserve) is central to Wall Street.

Wall Street is where the rubbers are left on the road. (we are being fucked)

[pcosmar]

That list was communist garbage.

Several people (myself included) said that the list of "Official" demands were bullshit.

The only thing close to an 'Official" demand was released by Anonymous months ago.

[dannno]

Half of this board hates business with a passion. It's sad, really.

That's not true at all, we hate corporatism and those who benefit, and correctly recognize that certain businesses benefit far more than anybody else. In fact the poor end up much worse off and so does the middle class. This is because the wealthy have the means to corrupt politicians and control the system. That doesn't mean all wealthy people are bad or should have their money taken. Most businesses provide an increased standard of living for all, I don't think anybody is anti-business here.

[Sola_Fide]

Several people (myself included) said that the list of "Official" demands were bullshit.

The only thing close to an 'Official" demand was released by Anonymous months ago.

Link?

[pcosmar]

Link?

Posted several times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XySGw-g2tyk

More recent, (current)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1vpEcebYBg

[Sola_Fide]

Thanks I'll check it out.

[Cutlerzzz]

Wall Street is joined at the Hip with Big Government. The Federal Reserve intricately involved with Wall Street.
The Banking industry (Federal Reserve) is central to Wall Street.

Wall Street is where the rubbers are left on the road. (we are being fucked)Everyone is joined at the hips of the governments. The middle class, lower class, upper class, everyone. Everyone askes for favors from the state.

[Cutlerzzz]

That's not true at all, we hate corporatism and those who benefit, and correctly recognize that certain businesses benefit far more than anybody else. In fact the poor end up much worse off and so does the middle class. This is because the wealthy have the means to corrupt politicians and control the system. That doesn't mean all wealthy people are bad or should have their money taken. Most businesses provide an increased standard of living for all, I don't think anybody is anti-business here.Yes, it is true. You have no idea how many business's are benefiting from the government, and how many are hurt by it. You don't know which members of the lower class are better off, and which ones are worse off. Most business's pay more in taxes than anyone else. It could easily be argued that business is hurt the most by government.

[pcosmar]

Everyone is joined at the hips of the governments. The middle class, lower class, upper class, everyone. Everyone askes for favors from the state.

I don't.
My compliance is coerced at times.
That is as good as it gets.

[Sola_Fide]

Posted several times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XySGw-g2tyk

More recent, (current)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1vpEcebYBg

Those were good. Can't argue with too much in those.... Other than I wish the constitutional solution was mentioned.

[Seraphim]

I don't either.

I feel like a an eagle with heavy rocks tied to each foot.

Fuck the State. I ask nothing of it. It, however, TAKES from me.


Everyone is joined at the hips of the governments. The middle class, lower class, upper class, everyone. Everyone askes for favors from the state.

[pcosmar]

Those were good. Can't argue with too much in those.... Other than I wish the constitutional solution was mentioned.

Very true,, But Anonymous is not strictly USA. They are international,, but a general desire for freedom is a common factor.
Transparency in Government (of whatever flavor) is another.

[AuH20]

Half of this board hates business with a passion. It's sad, really. The upper, lower, and middle classes all try to get the government to give them other people's money through force. So do unions and small business. So do whites, blacks, hispanics, and every other race and creed. Most of this board isn't protesting them.

Government is the problem, not Wall Street.

“The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else.”

-Frederic Bastiat

There are alot of folks in this country who haven't made blood oaths with Satan. They've paid for their homes. They've lived outside the control of Washington. I don't buy the relativism argument. If you want to dance with Satan, don't cry when he rips your arm off. These OWSers are going learn the hard lessons of life when the government finally unmasks it's true face.

[Cutlerzzz]

How about I reword that. Every major group is joint at the hips of the government.

[dannno]

Yes, it is true. You have no idea how many business's are benefiting from the government, and how many are hurt by it. You don't know which members of the lower class are better off, and which ones are worse off. Most business's pay more in taxes than anyone else. It could easily be argued that business is hurt the most by government.

Yes, small businesses that could potentially take out larger businesses are hurt, absolutely. That's why I'm not anti-business, but I still recognize that the business interests are what control our military and all the government regulators. I have a bigger problem with them than the people who become poor at their expense and then become dependent on entitlements.

[pcosmar]

There are alot of folks in this country who haven't made blood oaths with Satan. They've paid for their homes. They've lived outside the control of Washington. I don't buy the relativism argument. If you want to dance with Satan, don't cry when he rips your arm off. These OWSers are going learn the hard lessons of life when the government finally unmasks it's true face.

This is likely true. Where I live in the UP it has always been a "depressed" economy. As far back as I can remember. Many families have been raised on the welfare system. they know no other way. Those that aren't live off Government jobs. The Prison being the main "industry' since the AFB closed. Only a few make their money off farming or small shops.

I have heard it said that these Hippies are anti-capitalist. That may be true of a couple,,very few. They are Ant- Corporatist.

If you doubt this,, go to any "hippie" gathering or event. You will see Free Market Capitalism in it's purest form.

Some may say they are anti-Capitalist but it is not true.
This is Free Market Capitalism.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWCkg1aIqEk