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FrankRep
10-02-2011, 10:40 AM
Bombshell: DOJ Considering Elimination of ATF (Bombshell: DOJ Considering Elimination of ATF)


Townhall
Sept 30, 2011


Multiple sources, including sources from ATF, DOJ and Congressional offices have said there is a white paper circulating within the Department of Justice, outlining the essential elimination of ATF. According to sources, the paper outlines the firing of at least 450 ATF agents in an effort to conduct damage control as Operation Fast and Furious gets uglier and as election day 2012 gets closer. ATF agents wouldn’t be reassigned to other positions, just simply let go. Current duties of ATF, including the enforcement of explosives and gun laws, would be transferred to other agencies, possibly the FBI and the DEA. According to a congressional source, there have been rumblings about the elimination of ATF for quite sometime, but the move would require major political capital to actually happen.

“It’s a serious white paper being circulated, how far they’d get with it I don’t know,” a confidential source said.

After a town hall meeting about Operation Fast and Furious in Tucson, Ariz. on Monday, ATF Whistleblower Vince Cefalu, who has been key in exposing details about Operation Fast and Furious, confirmed the elimination of ATF has been circulating as a serious idea for sometime now and that a white paper outlining the plan does exist.

Sounds great right? Eliminating ATF? But there is more to this story. Remember, low level ATF field agents, like ATF whistleblower John Dodson, were uncomfortable conducting Operation Fast and Furious from the beginning, but were told by high level officials within ATF that if they had a problem with the operation, they could find a job elsewhere.

“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated,” ATF Whistleblower John Dodson said in testimony on Capitol Hill on June 15, 2011.

In fact, not only were the ATF agents forced to carry out the operation, they were told to go against what they had been taught in training.
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ATF field agents weren’t the problem with Operation Fast and Furious, high ranking officials within ATF and the Department of Justice were and still are. DOJ would eliminate ATF only to take the heat off of the Obama Administration. By eliminating the bureau, it makes it seem like DOJ is taking Operation Fast and Furious so seriously, they decided to “clear out the corruption, clean house,” however, it would only be a distraction away from the people at the top of the investigation. In fact, evidence shows the DOJ has been stonewalling the Oversight Committee investigation into the operation to protect Obama political appointees.
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Background:


Operation Fast and Furious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDZAU7Q4NxU


http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/08aMay/2711-cs-gun.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/7599-project-gunrunner)



In Project Gunrunner, the ATF purposely allowed over a thousand guns, perhaps many thousands, to be sold to Mexico drug cartels.


Project Gunrunner (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/7599-project-gunrunner)


Andy Ramirez | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
26 May 2011

AuH20
10-02-2011, 10:42 AM
The FBI supposedly wants no part of this responsibility.

Dr.3D
10-02-2011, 10:44 AM
The FBI supposedly wants no part of this responsibility.
LOL, that's another entity that needs to be eliminated.

AuH20
10-02-2011, 10:47 AM
LOL, that's another entity that needs to be eliminated.

The CIA needs to go. FBI you probably keep around in some capacity.

pcosmar
10-02-2011, 11:05 AM
The CIA needs to go. FBI you probably keep around in some capacity.

Nope, it has no business existing. the Federal Government has NO business in LE at all.

ATF needs to go, and not be replaced or incorporated in some other agency.

Anti Federalist
10-02-2011, 11:12 AM
Nope, it has no business existing. the Federal Government has NO business in LE at all.

ATF needs to go, and not be replaced or incorporated in some other agency.

That ^^^

While on the surface, one could jump for joy at this news, the sad reality is that it would just be folded into the Homeland Security Borg at some other level.

roho76
10-02-2011, 11:16 AM
...to be replaced by FAT (Firearms, Alchohol, and Tobacco). Sorry but this will never happen. Especially with democrats in the WH.

Feeding the Abscess
10-02-2011, 11:39 AM
Without revealing how I know this, word is, the BP agent who died shot practice ammo at the back of a cartel member holding an AK.

Brian Terry: In Mexico, firing first with non-lethal rounds at the back of someone carrying an AK.

Good job, dude. You win idiot of the year, and also serve as an awesome propaganda tool for the government to further crack down on American citizens.

FrankRep
10-02-2011, 11:47 AM
Without revealing how I know this, word is, the BP agent who died shot practice ammo at the back of a cartel member holding an AK.


http://www.vimeo.com/18152165


New Details in Murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/immigration/5653-new-details-in-murder-of-border-patrol-agent-brian-terry)



27 December 2010 | Liberty News Network national correspondent and border-issues expert Andy Ramirez offers explosive details about the recent murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry by border bandits, including the news that agents were required to use non-lethal weapons against the heavily armed criminals.

Dr.3D
10-02-2011, 11:52 AM
A gun fireing blanks is more dangerous to it's user than not having one at all.