Aren't we ALL Americans!?!?!?!?! WTF!?!?!

[Expose The Foes]

I keep seeing posts over how we shouldn't reach out to Progressives...and people saying we don't need to talk to the people on Wall Street...and we need to stay away from these people, and avoid these people.....

SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

We are all Americans...

Quit letting the labels sway your opinion toward people. Most people are open minded to someone talking to them like a human being. Of course if you come across dissing them & their beliefs they will become defensive...but we need to engage ALL people, regardless of race, party or religion, and help them see that Dr. Paul is the candidate for them....for US!

QUIT dissing progressives! QUIT bashing Democrats! QUIT TALKING SHIT ABOUT NEOCONS!!!!

Do you people not realize how many new followers Ron has this time around that USED to be "neocons"...that USED to be "democrats"???

Let's help these people see the light instead of just assuming they are hopeless!

Knowledge people...we have to spread it. It doesn't just grow on it's own!

Be civil...please!?!

[orenbus]

I don't know why but I found this video fitting to this conversation:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

[RonPaulFever]

SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

And then....


Be civil...please!?!


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[RonPaulFever]

BTW, this is Hot Topics garbage.

[fisharmor]

BTW, this is Hot Topics garbage.

It appears the OP's message has been well received.
:D

[refuge]

You can spend your time working on one group of people, say Democrats, or working on another group of people, say Republicans.

I think the reason people are not focusing on targeting Democrats, Progressives, et al. is because the chances of them actually voting in the Republican primary is lower than the chances of the Republicans voting.

Before Ron Paul even has a chance to run for president, he needs to win the Republican ticket. Which is why people are trying to focus on winning over Republicans at the moment, if that makes any sense.

Now, me on the other hand, I live in Delaware, which is a very liberal state; I personally don't know that many republicans at all; so I'm targeting liberals with Ron Paul's record anti-war message, as I'm very much against this war, and many other people I know are also against it. We all like Ron Paul.


But yeah, in general, unless you know that all you can win over more progressives than there are Republicans, and you can get all of those progressives to register as republican and vote for the man in the primary, then sure, don't focus on the Republicans.

[Razmear]

Maybe a bit over-caffinated, but valid points none the less.
+1 rep to the OP.

eb

[Original_Intent]

OP, YOU shut the hell up!

Nobody said anything was wrong with converting progressives. What has been argued is the position that since we and progressives are "almost the same" that we should all get in a circle and sing Kumbaya.

Heck, even if they don't fully convert, if they will register GOP and vote for Ron in the primaries GREAT! and I doubt you will find a single soul here that will argue the point.

But the post that stated that the way to win was for libertarians and progressives (or in other words for libertarians to market themselves as "almost progressives" - well, I strongly disagree and I think a lot of people will, and if you don;t care for that opinion, go stuff yourself.

Civilly yours,

OI

[Ronulus]

As far as the occupy wall st thing is concerned. I think we can talk to those people and educate/inform them. However we don't want to associate ourselves with the movement of michael moore who says capitalism is the problem when corporatism and corrupt government is the problem, not capitalism.

[ressurectingadream]

"The greatest good we can do our country is to heal its party divisions and make them one people." Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Dickinson, July 23, 1801

[kuckfeynes]

By all means reach out, but I recommend doing it incognito.

The reason many are apprehensive about it is because the message itself already stirs enough controversy.

We don't want to A) confuse people on the ideology by seemingly embracing socialism, or B) give the media more reason to marginalize us as "fringe."

But yeah if you want to go down as your own individual self and try to educate people, no one is stopping you.

[newbitech]

I don't think we are ALL American's to be honest. There are what, 12 - 32 million illegals? Don't forget the H1B's either, maybe not many of them, but enough of them in influential positions. What about school visa's, and vacation visa's. And as far as message boards and internet, there are plenty of people who participate that are not American's.

But I agree with what you said, except the shut the hell up part. Yeah, you are pissed, and it's your opinion, but telling someone to shut the hell up for theirs, is not a good way to deal with it.

Lead by example.

[orenbus]

But yeah, in general, unless you know that all you can win over more progressives than there are Republicans, and you can get all of those progressives to register as republican and vote for the man in the primary, then sure, don't focus on the Republicans.

Hmm interesting so does that mean that states that have later primaries and are strong blue states should work more on getting Independents and Dems to jump on board and promote fundraising? I'm not going to knock it, it's an interesting strategy considering the best chance of Ron Paul winning is to secure the early state contests which can be best done by having lots of money since the media doesn't seem to have any intention of giving equal time.

So basically those that are near early states NH, IA, SC, (possibly FL), etc. focus on getting as many Republicans as possible, that's that are not in range to help those states you can still help by manning the phones. If you cannot man the phones for whatever reason and are in a blue state then focus on recruitment of dems/indies and fundraise from them.

[PaulConventionWV]

RAAWWWRR!! We're all angry!

Rawr, you're stupid and you smell bad! Sorry, I try. RAWWRRR!!!

[NewRightLibertarian]

I think the protesters are good hearted but ultimately won't jive with our movement because they're the anti-capitalism, pro-government types for the most part. If I were nearby, I'd be down there talking to people and trying to tell them that the Federal Reserve deserves blame along with Wall Street.

[Revolution9]

Now just why should RP grassroots participate in what is essentially cointelpro psyop 2011? Just exactly why do we need the gubmnt to regulate more when essentially it is gubmnt regs that caused the issue they are apparently promoting. I see it as a pre-emptive strike from the very people they deem to be protesting.

Rev9

[orenbus]

Ron Paul supporters are already at Wall Street.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Wall-Street-Protest-March-NYPD-Stay-City-Hall-130865898.html


While the main focus of "Occupy Wall Street" is centered on the financial world, those camping out in the park speak to causes covering the political and social spectrum, from supporters of Ron Paul to the anti-war activists of the Granny Peace Brigade.

BTW this is my #1000 post since 2007 yay me!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ09Gz76HAU

[tremendoustie]

I don't think we are ALL American's to be honest. There are what, 12 - 32 million illegals? Don't forget the H1B's either, maybe not many of them, but enough of them in influential positions. What about school visa's, and vacation visa's. And as far as message boards and internet, there are plenty of people who participate that are not American's.


I feel I have more in common with "illegals" who believe in liberty than "Americans" who don't.

[Todd]

I doubt any of those hanging out on Wall street are going to vote in the Republican primary.

[refuge]

Hmm interesting so does that mean that states that have later primaries and are strong blue states should work more on getting Independents and Dems to jump on board and promote fundraising? I'm not going to knock it, it's an interesting strategy considering the best chance of Ron Paul winning is to secure the early state contests which can be best done by having lots of money since the media doesn't seem to have any intention of giving equal time.

So basically those that are near early states NH, IA, SC, (possibly FL), etc. focus on getting as many Republicans as possible, that's that are not in range to help those states you can still help by manning the phones. If you cannot man the phones for whatever reason and are in a blue state then focus on recruitment of dems/indies and fundraise from them.
This is pretty much exactly what I'm saying.

If you're in a red state, push for Ron Paul while targeting Republicans, get those republicans that are already going to the primaries to vote for Ron Paul. If you're in a blue state, push for Ron Paul while targeting Democrats and Independents. They will have to register to become a Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaires, but if you have more Liberals that Conservatives in a state, those liberals could win Paul the primaries, and even reach out to other liberals in the general election.

[RIPLEYMOM]

Do you people not realize how many new followers Ron has this time around that USED to be "neocons"...that USED to be "democrats"???

I am a former neocon! Great, important point!

This might be a good direction to go in when coming up wth campaign sign slogans. Something like: United We Stand with Ron Paul or Unite America! Vote: Ron Paul!

[newbitech]

I feel I have more in common with "illegals" who believe in liberty than "Americans" who don't.

Yeah? Not to hijack the thread, but isn't part of believing in liberty also respecting the rule of law? Illegals are here because our governments do not respect the rule of law. If our governments respected the rule of law, those people wouldn't be here "illegally". So yeah, I feel more in common with misguided American's who vote based on something other than principles, than I do with illegals who influence our representatives without the responsibility and accountability that comes with being American.

[thegrinch2]

Ill be honest..... Ive been behind Paul for many years.. and a lot of times I feel like RP supporters worry about making Paul "look bad" and saying dont do this, dont do that. Look, nobody is going to make Paul look worse than the media. Getting as many different types of groups behind paul is only a good thing. .You may not like M. Moore, but he has a huge fan base, and most people agree with the wall street protest. Quit being so high and mighty and saying we are above people like those protesting. We are all americans that are hurting. We should be about EVERYONE that is having a hard time due to what this government has done.

So, my advice is, get behind them. Educate them about Paul and do not worry about being associated with somebody just cause you are of different political labels. If anything, ALL protest are for the same cause right now. WE all are together in this. We all need a change. Quit worrying about your image. It sounds too much like flip flopping political that go with the popular idea just to be popular in polls.

And its funny that people worry about associating themselves with the wall street protest, but, walking around yelling "inside job" is perfectly acceptable.

[erowe1]

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SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

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Be civil...please!?!

Umm.

[erowe1]

Yeah? Not to hijack the thread, but isn't part of believing in liberty also respecting the rule of law?

That depends. If you're talking about natural law, then yes. If you're talking about arbitrary made up laws that violate natural law, then no.

Which category do you think laws telling me who I can and can't hire fall in?

[newbitech]

That depends. If you're talking about natural law, then yes. If you're talking about arbitrary made up laws that violate natural law, then no.

Which category do you think laws telling me who I can and can't hire fall in?

It doesn't matter which laws they are if they are not respected by the people who would enforce those laws. Agree?

I am not trying to say anything about the law that makes someone illegal, but if you don't respect natural law, or arbitrary made up law, I guess it doesn't matter who you hire, until it causes problems for someone else.

[erowe1]

It doesn't matter which laws they are if they are not respected by the people who would enforce those laws. Agree?


It does matter. Unjust laws should not be respected or enforced.

[Deborah K]

You can spend your time working on one group of people, say Democrats, or working on another group of people, say Republicans.

I think the reason people are not focusing on targeting Democrats, Progressives, et al. is because the chances of them actually voting in the Republican primary is lower than the chances of the Republicans voting.

Before Ron Paul even has a chance to run for president, he needs to win the Republican ticket. Which is why people are trying to focus on winning over Republicans at the moment, if that makes any sense.

Now, me on the other hand, I live in Delaware, which is a very liberal state; I personally don't know that many republicans at all; so I'm targeting liberals with Ron Paul's record anti-war message, as I'm very much against this war, and many other people I know are also against it. We all like Ron Paul.


But yeah, in general, unless you know that all you can win over more progressives than there are Republicans, and you can get all of those progressives to register as republican and vote for the man in the primary, then sure, don't focus on the Republicans.

Have you heard of the Blue Republicans? Maybe you could start that up in your area. If you need help, I can connect you with Robin Koerner, he founded the concept. He writes for the Huffington Post.


http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/09/robin-koerner-with-judge-andrew-napolitano-on-blue-republicans-sep-12-2011/

[newbitech]

It does matter. Unjust laws should not be respected or enforced.

We can take this up in a different thread. I don't disagree with you as far as unjust laws, or who you can or can't hire, or even what makes someone legal or illegal. I think you missed the point though, that illegals cannot vote but they do influence our politics yet they do not have the responsibility or accountability that American's do have.

The point is that no, we are not all American's, and calling someone an American is just as much a label as Democrat, Neocon, etc etc. What matters IMO is for those who are making the laws and those who put those people there to represent them in that law making body, is to obey and uphold the laws they are sworn to uphold and obey. This includes the responsibility to make informed decisions based truth and righteousness along with the accountability to follow through with those decisions.

[zach]

THANK YOU OP.

It doesn't fucking matter what your political affiliation is - WE'RE ALL HUMAN BEINGS REGARDLESS OF SOCIETAL LABEL.