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Dianne
09-28-2011, 12:48 PM
Thought this was excellent, and take note of where I found it !!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2009132#2009173


In a recent debate Congressman Ron Paul claimed the United States military had troops in 130 countries. The St. Petersburg Times looked into whether such an outrage could actually be true and was obliged to report that the number was actually 148 countries. However, if you watch NFL football games, you hear the announcers thank members of the U.S. military for watching from 177 countries. The proud public claim is worse than the scandalous claim or the "investigative" report. What gives?

We are supposed to be proud of the U.S. empire but to reject with high dudgeon any accusation of having an empire. Abroad, this conversation makes even less sense, because those troops and their bases are in everyone's faces. I lived near Vicenza, Italy, years ago. The people tolerated the U.S. Army base. The addition of a many-times larger one in the same town, now underway, has led to outrage, condemnation, and bitter resentment of being handed second-class citizenship in one's own country while being asked to show gratitude for it.

As President Obama encircles Russia with missile bases and China with naval bases, the people who live or used to live where the bases are built resent the occupation, just as the people of Iraq and Afghanistan resent the occupation. A global movement against U.S. military bases is rapidly rising from all corners of the empire. But so is a movement against the occupation of Der Homeland by an unrepresentative and unrepresenting police state.

Those of us not in the Forbes 400 have been handed second-class citizenship in the place we are supposedly protecting through the occupation of every other place. A large majority of us want the rich and the corporations taxed heavily, but they are not. We want the wars ended, the troops brought home, and military spending cut. None of this happens. Nor do the outcomes of elections impact the likelihood of any of these things happening. We want to keep and strengthen Social Security. We want Medicare protected and expanded to cover us all. We want rights enlarged for human beings and curtailed for corporations. We want to cut off the corporate welfare and the bankster bailouts. We want to invest in infrastructure, green energy, and education. We want the right to organize and assemble. And we want a clean system that allows public pressure through ordinary means: publicly funded elections, verifiable vote counting, no gerrymanders, no media and ballot barriers to candidates. None of this is forthcoming. We are paying taxation and receiving no representation.

Here's an "End Empire" agenda:

· Cut a half a trillion dollars out of the $1.2 trillion national security budget; putting half of it into tax cuts for non-billionaires, and half of it into useful spending on green energy, education, retraining for displaced military-industrial workers, etc.

· Bring the National Guard home and de-federalize it.

· Ban the redeployment of personnel currently suffering PTSD.

· Ban no-bid uncompeted military contracts.

· Restore Constitutional war powers to the Congress.

· Create of a public referendum required prior to launching any war.

· Close the foreign bases.

· Ban weapons from space.

· Ban extra-legal prisons.

· Ban kangaroo military courts outside of our ordinary court system.

· Restore habeas corpus.

· Limit military spending to no more than twice that of the next highest spending nation on earth.

· Ban secret budgets, secret agencies, and secret operations.

· Ban the launching of drone strikes into foreign nations.

· Forbid the transfer of students' information to military recruiters without their permission.

· Comply with the Kellogg-Briand Pact.

I've had people across the political spectrum tell me this all seems reasonable and necessary. But that doesn't make it happen. What could make change possible is the process of reversal now underway through which the occupied are becoming the occupiers. On Wall Street, protesters of plutocracy are risking their bodies. Police are assaulting, pepper-spraying, and tasering peaceful demonstrators, as uppercrusters guzzle champagne on balconies, gawking at the spectacle. But reports are leaking out of police refusing to participate in assaulting people -- people who are acting on behalf of the police as much as anyone else. If the NYPD finds the decency found by some members of the militaries of Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya, the decency to refuse evil orders, the tide will quickly turn. If they do not, the tide will slowly turn. But turn it will.

Occupations are now being organized across the country, building up to a massive occupation of Washington, D.C., beginning October 6th: http://october2011.org

This is how it starts. There is no other moral option than nonviolent resistance. There is no other possible outcome than success. That's the beauty of ending an empire; victory is guaranteed sooner or later by the inevitability of imperial collapse. Our task is to speed it along and ease the pain during the process. The last word goes to U2:

October
And the trees are stripped bare
Of all they wear
What do I care
October
And kingdoms rise
And kingdoms fall
But you go on

FrankRep
09-28-2011, 01:18 PM
Occupations are now being organized across the country, building up to a massive occupation of Washington, D.C., beginning October 6th: http://october2011.org

This is how it starts. There is no other moral option than nonviolent resistance. There is no other possible outcome than success. That's the beauty of ending an empire; victory is guaranteed sooner or later by the inevitability of imperial collapse. Our task is to speed it along and ease the pain during the process. The last word goes to U2:


October 2011 is a Communist Organization.


http://i52.tinypic.com/t7ea78.jpg

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John F Kennedy III
09-28-2011, 01:23 PM
We desperately need to restore our Constitution to its full power.

jmdrake
09-28-2011, 01:26 PM
October 2011 is a Communist Organization.

I never heard of em before today, but if they support Ron Paul and they vote I don't really care.

FrankRep
09-28-2011, 01:30 PM
I never heard of em before today, but if they support Ron Paul and they vote I don't really care.

Does Ron Paul support "Health Care For All" and "Tax The Rich and Corporations"? October 2011 is on the side on Big Government.

Dianne
09-28-2011, 01:59 PM
I've never heard of October 2011 either; but I certainly like the anti war message. We have the real demo's share that common bond, along with the freedom and civil rights aspects. Where we differ is governmental responsibility.

TonySutton
09-28-2011, 02:03 PM
How many US military men and women have died in battle since the end of the last war declared by congress? You might be surprised, you should be saddened and mad.

FrankRep
09-28-2011, 02:10 PM
I've never heard of October 2011 either; but I certainly like the anti war message. We have the real demo's share that common bond, along with the freedom and civil rights aspects. Where we differ is governmental responsibility.
Exploiting the Anti-War Message to spread Communist Propaganda, you mean.

jmdrake
09-28-2011, 02:20 PM
Does Ron Paul support "Health Care For All" and "Tax The Rich and Corporations"? October 2011 is on the side on Big Government.

Ron Paul doesn't support abortion rights. There are a lot of Ron Paul supporters who do. I want their votes. The question is do you? Do you care more about your own agenda than you do about Ron Paul winning the election?

jmdrake
09-28-2011, 02:23 PM
Exploiting the Anti-War Message to spread Communist Propaganda, you mean.

The people who only care about spreading "communist propaganda" typically can think of someone other than Ron Paul to praise.

Havax
09-28-2011, 02:41 PM
LoL @ taxing corporations. We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world.

Austrian Econ Disciple
09-28-2011, 02:48 PM
These folks are idiots. They know Empires collapse for financial reasons, yet, they do not want to cut any spending -- they think if you spend it at home instead of abroad the country won't collapse from Fiscal ruin. What maroons. In any event, at least they want the wars to end -- but for all the wrong reasons. No moral outcry. Nope, just want to funnel money into shit I like, or I think is worthwhile. Hey folks, the Government isn't your personal gun for you to go throwing in everyone's face.

Havax
09-28-2011, 03:11 PM
A decent example would be having your father forcibly take 30-40% of every paycheck you earn when you're young and living with your parents in order for him to help take care of you. However, what ends up happening is you get a shitty living environment and they regulate how often you can leave the house and what you can do in the privacy of your own room. Wouldn't it make sense to just move out and keep 100% of your paycheck to better manage your own life? Instead of asking their father to take a larger percentage out of their paycheck (or their sibling for that matter) in order to improve living conditions, they don't understand they would be better off just moving out. Also, I forgot to mention that your father is a control freak drunk that never pays his credit card bills.

bunklocoempire
09-28-2011, 04:26 PM
October 2011 is a Communist Organization.


http://i52.tinypic.com/t7ea78.jpg


"Stop the machine! Create a new world order!" :confused:

I guess the current "machine" isn't big enough for these folks -but they are still striving for a machine.

There's a reason they don't say weaken or destroy the machine, stopping for a machine modification is more to their liking.


six-:toady:-1/2 dozen


Commies...:rolleyes:






Bunkloco

Dianne
09-28-2011, 05:31 PM
well they do want to end the military industrial complex; which is a major portion fo spending.

PaulConventionWV
09-28-2011, 06:20 PM
I never heard of em before today, but if they support Ron Paul and they vote I don't really care.

They're communist. What makes you think they would support Ron Paul? Communism is the opposite of everything Ron Paul believes in.

PaulConventionWV
09-28-2011, 06:22 PM
Ron Paul doesn't support abortion rights. There are a lot of Ron Paul supporters who do. I want their votes. The question is do you? Do you care more about your own agenda than you do about Ron Paul winning the election?

Have you ever heard of prioritizing? Have you ever heard of going after your most receptive audience? Something makes me feel like communists aren't very receptive to the message.

ronpaulitician
09-28-2011, 06:37 PM
Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.
Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders.
Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.

I don't care one bit about someone's economic beliefs when they stand with me to end the empire.

FrankRep
09-29-2011, 02:52 AM
Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.
Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders.
Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.

I don't care one bit about someone's economic beliefs when they stand with me to end the empire.

Communists want a "World Revolution" remember? Global tyranny?

Look up Karl Marx.