Jesse Ventura Says Ron Paul Should Quit Republican Party & Run on Libertarian Ticket

[lumberjacksdaughter]

On today's interview with Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura also said that (given his wife's approval and support) he would gladly run with Ron Paul as the vice presidential candidate.

[RonPaulCult]

Welcome to the forum!

Jesse is VERY against the two major parties and won't have anything to do with them. I respect and understand his position on this....but Ron Paul is running third in the Republican party for the nomination - he's within striking distance.

He won't be dropping out - and he shouldn't drop out.

[Kludge]

Libertarians have primaries like the GOP & Dems. They do elimination-round style voting for president, then those who wish to run with the selected pres. go through the same process. I have doubts Ventura would win without Paul endorsing him over someone like Mary Ruwart.

[trey4sports]

Jesse Ventura is the king of fringe. I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Paul candidacy.

[nf7mate]

Ron Paul is currently running as a Republican, and doing well. Now is not the time to discuss a third party run.


Jesse Ventura is the king of fringe. I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Paul candidacy.

+1

[robertwerden]

Ventura would make things worse for Ron Paul, because of his conspiracy theory book and tv show. It would automatically label Ron with that stigma and destroy him.
BAD IDEA!

[lumberjacksdaughter]

So, who would all of you like to see run on the ticket with Ron Paul?

[lumberjacksdaughter]

Ventura would make things worse for Ron Paul, because of his conspiracy theory book and tv show. It would automatically label Ron with that stigma and destroy him.
BAD IDEA!

Not my idea.

[Eric21ND]

This is why Ventura continues to be irrelevant. There was a time when Ventura could've been in a Ron Paul administration, but that ship has sailed along with Ventura's critical thinking skills.

[muzzled dogg]

So, who would all of you like to see run on the ticket with Ron Paul?

there are a million threads on this

[Eric21ND]

So, who would all of you like to see run on the ticket with Ron Paul?

Luis Fortuño

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gcExoF_qTo

[Napolitanic Wars]

I would like to point out that Ventura said on The View that he would strongly consider being Ron Paul's VP--even though Ron would be a Republican. The reason he said that, and the reason he spoke at his counter convention was to get votes from RP supporters for when he runs for president himself. He believes Ron won't announce his running mate until he is nominated, and if he is not nominated Ventura will steal his thunder.

[Sola_Fide]

Bad idea.

[Schiff_FTW]

Does Ventura even live in the country anymore? I thought he had moved to Mexico.

[anaconda]

On today's interview with Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura also said that (given his wife's approval and support) he would gladly run with Ron Paul as the vice presidential candidate.

Why doesn't Ventura simply buck up and run for the Libertarian nomination? He was the governor of Minnesota, for God's sake.

[anaconda]

So, who would all of you like to see run on the ticket with Ron Paul?

Rand.

[jmdrake]

I would like to point out that Ventura said on The View that he would strongly consider being Ron Paul's VP--even though Ron would be a Republican. The reason he said that, and the reason he spoke at his counter convention was to get votes from RP supporters for when he runs for president himself. He believes Ron won't announce his running mate until he is nominated, and if he is not nominated Ventura will steal his thunder.

If Ron is not nominated and then decides not to run third party, what thunder will there be for Ventura or anyone else to "steal"?

That said, while I appreciate Ventura's enthusiasm, this kind of endorsement isn't helpful at this juncture. If Ron didn't win the nomination and decided to run third party then we would need all the help we could get including from "fringe" figures like Ventura. But all this third party talk right now makes it seem like even Ron Paul supporters think he can't get the nomination. And that's simply not true.

[jcarcinogen]

I hate the GOP and they hate me. Once they nominate some warmonger Christian facsist again I'm through.

[lumberjacksdaughter]

there are a million threads on this

I've tried to find one of those million threads on this but I'm not having any success. My apologies for being repetative.

[ctiger2]

Just say NO to Ventura. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ventura is a great guy to have a beer with and shoot the shit. However, he's got the thinnest political skin and is frankly a terrible politician.

Disclosure: I voted for Ventura in '98.

[anaconda]

Ventura is a great guy to have a beer with and shoot the shit. However, he's got the thinnest political skin and is frankly a terrible politician.



Terrible politician wins Minnesota governorship?

[PastaRocket848]

jesse ventura is an idiot.

[hazek]

Sorry to say but Ventura is obviously a retard.

For the ninth time, RON HIMSELF SAID he will never run as 3rd party under the current BIASED RULES that make it super hard to even get on the ballots if you're not a member of the two party system let a lone get into the debates and get any media attention at all.

[PastaRocket848]

he believes in chemtrails.. would you expect any less? clearly electoral math is above his head.

[jmdrake]

he believes in chemtrails.. would you expect any less? clearly electoral math is above his head.

<sarcasm>
Right. Because a government that openly announces a plan to spray chemicals in the air in order to protect the world from global warming wouldn't have first tested any of this out without telling the populace at large.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/08/geo-engineering-john-holdren

It's not like we have a corrupt government it Washington that would do something nutty like sell automatic weapons to drug kingpins.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/transcript/operation-fast-and-furious-biggest-most-underreported-scandal-obamas-presidency
</sarcasm>

[PastaRocket848]

lol @ gullible people.

[jmdrake]

lol @ gullible people.

<sarcasm>
Yes. It's so gullible for people to actually believe the Obama administration when it says it's considering chemtrailing and extrapolate from that that chemtrailing might have been going on before then. It's just like those gullible people in Germany during WW II that believed that some showers had cyanide in them.
</sarcasm>

[69360]

He was cool in wwf back in the day. His politics are out there. He's not what is needed to win a Republican primary.

[HeyArchie]

He was cool in wwf back in the day. His politics are out there. He's not what is needed to win a Republican primary.
:toady:

[jcarcinogen]

He can't get on the ballot and the LP will nominate their candidate by primary time but to call him an idiot is idiotic itself. Sometimes principles, standing for your beliefs, and educating a party like the GOP that if they continue to do this their are consequences is more important than electoral math (that has been corrupted by the fake 2 party system anyway).

EDIT: Some of you are using the status quo tactic of 'he can't win' with the LP used on Paul.

[donnay]

<sarcasm>
Right. Because a government that openly announces a plan to spray chemicals in the air in order to protect the world from global warming wouldn't have first tested any of this out without telling the populace at large.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/08/geo-engineering-john-holdren

It's not like we have a corrupt government it Washington that would do something nutty like sell automatic weapons to drug kingpins.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/transcript/operation-fast-and-furious-biggest-most-underreported-scandal-obamas-presidency
</sarcasm>

"You must spread some reputation before giving to jmdrake again."

PastaRocket848 tells us not to be gullible! :rolleyes:

[KCIndy]

So, who would all of you like to see run on the ticket with Ron Paul?



Judge Andrew Napolitano

[Rocket_pilot]

I find Ventura entertaining and occasionally, yes, he makes a good point. But he gets kookier by the day. Being entertaining does not make someone worthy of VP or president (someone tell Obama supporters that).

[rp713]

Judge Andrew Napolitano

this.

the judge is a strong speaker and will provide some much needed backbone to the campaign. he'll crush biden in the vice pres debates. it'll be a easy win with the judge.

[trey4sports]

The Judge isn't getting anywhere near the ticket.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Judge Andrew Napolitano


this.

the judge is a strong speaker and will provide some much needed backbone to the campaign. he'll crush biden in the vice pres debates. it'll be a easy win with the judge.

Judge Nap is the only other Republican that even comes close to Ron Paul's record of strict Constitutionalism. He's the obvious choice for VP. Plus he's got that New Jersey northern thing going for him, which will get attention from some lefties.

[Tarzan]

This is your brain on drugs...

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/01/26/420x316-alg_jesse-ventura.jpg

[RonPaulCult]

The Judge isn't getting anywhere near the ticket.

Perhaps you missed a few months ago when Dr. Paul mentioned the judge by name as a great VP pick

[jkob]

I like Jesse, my father was a big fan of him back when he was a pro-wrestler in the 70-80s and followed his career going into politics pretty closely. I heard his autobiography on cassette tape numerous times over the years on trips with my dad. I don't think he would make a good VP pick tho especially when we're trying to stay away from the "crazy" label. A big part of that is Jesse's fault since he doesn't make much of an effort to be taken seriously with the conspiracy stuff and the way he looks. Him and Ron are pretty far apart on quite a few issues as well. I'd be glad to have his support tho.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Ventura is good on some issues, but really isn't a libertarian or conservative.

[MRoCkEd]

Jesse is honest, and good on many foreign policy and civil liberty issues. However, he's clueless on economics and nutty in his conspiracy theories.

[libertybrewcity]

Jesse Ventura would ruin the entire Ron Paul campaign. Ron Paul shouldn't be within 2000 miles of the guy.

[Eric21ND]

He can't get on the ballot and the LP will nominate their candidate by primary time but to call him an idiot is idiotic itself. Sometimes principles, standing for your beliefs, and educating a party like the GOP that if they continue to do this their are consequences is more important than electoral math (that has been corrupted by the fake 2 party system anyway).

EDIT: Some of you are using the status quo tactic of 'he can't win' with the LP used on Paul.
Don't worry the LP will nominate some old hack (Barr) or some tool (Root) and blow it again.

[eff]

Jesse is pretty good at shocking the world, like he did in 98.

I'd love to see him in a debate.

[mport1]

On today's interview with Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura also said that (given his wife's approval and support) he would gladly run with Ron Paul as the vice presidential candidate.

Who cares what that conspiracy whack job says?

[jason43]

I really liked Jesse, read his autobiography years ago... he could have really done something politically after winning as a 3rd party governor, but all the conspiracy stuff is pretty much a deal killer politically...

[Karsten]

Libertarians have primaries like the GOP & Dems. They do elimination-round style voting for president, then those who wish to run with the selected pres. go through the same process. I have doubts Ventura would win without Paul endorsing him over someone like Mary Ruwart.

Yes. Libertarian Party Presidential Nominees do not select their running mates the way the Republicans and Democrats do.

[Feeding the Abscess]

If Ron Paul decided to run third party, the LP would step aside and install him as their candidate, post-haste.

Not that Ron would do it, but the point stands.

[Feelgood]

Jesse Ventura is the king of fringe. I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Paul candidacy.

QFT

Keep Ron away from Ventura and Jones and all other fringe truthers and conspiracy nuts that could cause harm to his run. We dont need that kind of publicity. There is a link on Drudge currently showing that Ron Paul is within striking distance of beating Obama if the election were held today. We have a little over a year to close that 4% gap. I think we can do it as long as we stay focused.

[Karsten]

Jesse is honest, and good on many foreign policy and civil liberty issues. However, he's clueless on economics and nutty in his conspiracy theories.

What economic issues is he clueless on? He believes in cutting taxes and spending from what I know of him.

[Karsten]

If Ron Paul decided to run third party, the LP would step aside and install him as their candidate, post-haste.

Not that Ron would do it, but the point stands.
Yep they would. They were bummed that he didn't run in their party in 2008.

[anaconda]

this.

the judge is a strong speaker and will provide some much needed backbone to the campaign. he'll crush biden in the vice pres debates. it'll be a easy win with the judge.

Would rather see him sit on the Supreme Court. However, I don't see any problem with a POTUS nominating his/her Vice President for the Supreme Court. Would simply have to pick a replacement V.P.

[anaconda]

If Ron Paul decided to run third party, the LP would step aside and install him as their candidate, post-haste.

Not that Ron would do it, but the point stands.

Are "sore loser" laws and related registration issues a problem with this scenario?

[Karsten]

I say do it, not until and if we don't win the Republican primaries. I don't want to sit back and watch another Obama vs. an establishment pro-war Republican candidate election with no real viable 3rd option again. Paul and Ventura would create serious traction. For those of you trashing this idea, ask yourselves, what do you want to see happen? Obviously, we'll try our best to win the Republican primaries, but why wouldn't you want to see Ron Paul run 3rd party if we don't win them? It doesn't make any sense.

[Karsten]

Are "sore loser" laws and related registration issues a problem with this scenario?

Yes, that's the only thing I keep asking. Does anybody know which states sore loser laws apply to??

[RonPaulFever]

Why would Ron Paul run 3rd party and guarantee a second term for Obama when he can get the GOP nomination and defeat him?

[Eric21ND]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pS1edpeGqI

He praises Dr. Paul which I like. Ventura's understanding of economics...not so good.

[anaconda]

Why would Ron Paul run 3rd party and guarantee a second term for Obama when he can get the GOP nomination and defeat him?

3rd Party scenario is if Ron does not get the R nomination.

[Karsten]

Why would Ron Paul run 3rd party and guarantee a second term for Obama when he can get the GOP nomination and defeat him?

1st part of your question: If it's between Obama and someone like Cain or Romney or any GOP nominee except Paul, it will make no difference who wins!
2nd part of your question: As someone who has been behind Paul since 2007 and will continue to be, I really have my doubts on this. I really think he has a better shot in the general where he can appeal to independent than in the GOP primaries were he's stuck with ignorant zombie Republicans.

I support him running in the GOP primaries, I'm just saying, I hope he goes 3rd party if he doesn't win the GOP.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

3rd Party scenario is if Ron does not get the R nomination.
He won't win 3rd party, which is why isn't going to.

[ctiger2]

He won't win 3rd party, which is why isn't going to.

I've thought about this throughout today and came to the conclusion that IF Ron doesn't get the GOP nod then he will and must run 3rd party. Either Independent or libertarian with someone. This country is at such a crisis point that Ron must continue waking people up and educating them for as long as he can. If it's with Ventura, so be it. Ron has the money and the hardcore supporters to continue to the end. There's just no way Ron goes away quietly in this race. No Way, Not Gonna Happen!

[trey4sports]

jesus christ, Ron is not running third party. Period. Get it out of your head.

"Virtually 0 chance of third party bid" (http://thirdpartypolitics.us/blog/2011/08/16/%E2%80%98virtually-zero-chance%E2%80%99-of-ron-paul-third-party-bid-says-jesse-benton/)

[Feelgood]

I've thought about this throughout today and came to the conclusion that IF Ron doesn't get the GOP nod then he will and must run 3rd party. Either Independent or libertarian with someone. This country is at such a crisis point that Ron must continue waking people up and educating them for as long as he can. If it's with Ventura, so be it. Ron has the money and the hardcore supporters to continue to the end. There's just no way Ron goes away quietly in this race. No Way, Not Gonna Happen!

And you are just as 100% wrong on all points now, as all those who cried this same tune last election were. He is not going to run third party, it is NOT going to happen. If he does not get the nomination, he will retire from politics, and the Ron Paul legacy ends. Though he will probably continue to educate people and do speaking engagements. I can guarantee you, there will be NO third party run.

[Revolution9]

Luis Fortuño

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gcExoF_qTo

The guy's a milquetoast.

Rev9

[Eric21ND]

The guy's a milquetoast.

Rev9
We're trying to win the Presidency of the United States, not Presidency of the Olive Garden Rotary Club meeting.

[ctiger2]

And you are just as 100% wrong on all points now, as all those who cried this same tune last election were.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree then. This is not the last election, much has changed. Ron made an agreement in 08 with the party NOT to run 3rd party if he didn't get the nod. This time around there is no such agreement and Ron is not running for re-election to the congress so they can't threaten him with taking away any chairs. All that being said, the effort to get the GOP nod is the #1 priority and I pray he can do it.

[MRoCkEd]

What economic issues is he clueless on? He believes in cutting taxes and spending from what I know of him.
He didn't know whether or not to support the bank bailout. He said we need a mix of capitalism and socialism because neither works on its own. He defended socialized medicine.

[Karsten]

jesus christ, Ron is not running third party. Period. Get it out of your head.

"Virtually 0 chance of third party bid" (http://thirdpartypolitics.us/blog/2011/08/16/%E2%80%98virtually-zero-chance%E2%80%99-of-ron-paul-third-party-bid-says-jesse-benton/)

Yeah he also used the same rhetoric for the past 4 years that made it seem like he wasn't going to run at all in 2012, and here we are.

[FlatIron]

I dont like Ron Paul being endorsed by Conspiracists. I think it hurts his image

[Karsten]

I dont like Ron Paul being endorsed by Conspiracists. I think it hurts his image

Jones and Ventura have a lot of supporters and listeners. Their support of Ron Paul translates into a lot of supporters for Ron Paul. And come on, at least their giving Ron Paul a lot of attention -- because nobody else in the media is!

[anaconda]

And you are just as 100% wrong on all points now, as all those who cried this same tune last election were. He is not going to run third party, it is NOT going to happen. If he does not get the nomination, he will retire from politics, and the Ron Paul legacy ends. Though he will probably continue to educate people and do speaking engagements. I can guarantee you, there will be NO third party run.

I am confident that Ron will run 3rd party if he comes up short on the Republican nomination. I can see this coming a mile away, and there are several strategic reasons for doing so. Yet, I do believe he has a very realistic shot at the Republican nomination and I believe he is going for it 100%.

[anaconda]

jesus christ, Ron is not running third party. Period. Get it out of your head.

"Virtually 0 chance of third party bid" (http://thirdpartypolitics.us/blog/2011/08/16/%E2%80%98virtually-zero-chance%E2%80%99-of-ron-paul-third-party-bid-says-jesse-benton/)

The campaign has been very careful to not say unequivocally "no."

Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul’s presidential campaign said Monday that he’s very unlikely to run for president as a third-party candidate.

“We don’t deal in absolutes, but there’s virtually zero chance,” said Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton. “He has no plans, no interest. It’s as close to zero as it can be without absolutely ruling it out.”

I believe this is code for "listen you GOP leadership, I'm coming for you if I don't get your nomination...."

[refuge]

I say do it, not until and if we don't win the Republican primaries. I don't want to sit back and watch another Obama vs. an establishment pro-war Republican candidate election with no real viable 3rd option again. Paul and Ventura would create serious traction. For those of you trashing this idea, ask yourselves, what do you want to see happen? Obviously, we'll try our best to win the Republican primaries, but why wouldn't you want to see Ron Paul run 3rd party if we don't win them? It doesn't make any sense.

I disagree. If he loses the primary and goes third party, it would probably get him in the "sore loser" reputation which would hurt Rand in the next election cycle.

[John F Kennedy III]

Jesse Ventura is the king of fringe. I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Paul candidacy.

Ron Paul used to be fringe.

[John F Kennedy III]

This is why Ventura continues to be irrelevant. There was a time when Ventura could've been in a Ron Paul administration, but that ship has sailed along with Ventura's critical thinking skills.

/facepalm

[anaconda]

I've thought about this throughout today and came to the conclusion that IF Ron doesn't get the GOP nod then he will and must run 3rd party. Either Independent or libertarian with someone. This country is at such a crisis point that Ron must continue waking people up and educating them for as long as he can. If it's with Ventura, so be it. Ron has the money and the hardcore supporters to continue to the end. There's just no way Ron goes away quietly in this race. No Way, Not Gonna Happen!

I agree completely. I would not be terribly surprised if Rand ran 3rd party and took Ron on as VP, if there were "sore loser law" issues. It is imperative that no RINO win the White House in 2012 or Rand and the liberty movement will be shut out for a generation. If the Pauls can give the White House back to Obama then we are sitting pretty for 2016.

[anaconda]

I disagree. If he loses the primary and goes third party, it would probably get him in the "sore loser" reputation which would hurt Rand in the next election cycle.

Rand is doing battle with the GOP leadership on behalf of the People. Rand will not be hurt much by any sore loser actions by Ron (or by himself, either..). The powers-that-be cannot possibly be any happier with Rand than Ron. They will stab Rand in the back at the first opportunity. Rand is not naive and will not fall into some Mr. Nice Guy "coalition building" in the corrupt GOP. The GOP leadership in 2016 must be taunted with the possibility of Rand running 3rd party in 2016. Might as well start getting them used to it in 2012.

[69360]

I dont like Ron Paul being endorsed by Conspiracists. I think it hurts his image

It could, the best solution is let them endorse, but don't accept it officially. Gets attention, but not necessarily association.

[69360]

I agree completely. I would not be terribly surprised if Rand ran 3rd party and took Ron on as VP, if there were "sore loser law" issues. It is imperative that no RINO win the White House in 2012 or Rand and the liberty movement will be shut out for a generation. If the Pauls can give the White House back to Obama then we are sitting pretty for 2016.

If the country survives...

[anaconda]

If the country survives...

Country is probably in no worse shape with Obama than a RINO.

[gmc1988]

Not knocking Jesse, but this is NOT the time for him to be making noise about Ron running third party. Only gives the media ammo to attack him and not take him seriously. Anyone else get the impression Jesse is a trojan horse used to discredit the freedom movement?

[driller80545]

I like Jesse. I don't think that his conspiracy theories are as crazy as expecting me to believe in Repubs or Democrats stupid one liners. Its not the Ron Pauls or Jesse Venturas of this world that have created this mess, it is the politically corrupt used car salesmen that the Americans keep voting for. Gotta love that tv.

[Revolution9]

We're trying to win the Presidency of the United States, not Presidency of the Olive Garden Rotary Club meeting.

He looks like he would ace the election of the Olive Garden Rotary Club meeting. It also looks like he would get eaten alive by a low on the food chain lobbyist in a mouthful.

Rev9

[djruden]

I'm a stong supporter of Jesse Ventura, but I also realize he would be considerend more "fringe" than Paul in terms of what he says. As much as I'd like to see him out there campaigning for Paul, I accept that it might hurt more than help him.

[Karsten]

I agree completely. I would not be terribly surprised if Rand ran 3rd party and took Ron on as VP, if there were "sore loser law" issues. It is imperative that no RINO win the White House in 2012 or Rand and the liberty movement will be shut out for a generation. If the Pauls can give the White House back to Obama then we are sitting pretty for 2016.

Now Rand running on any ticket with Ron IS something he unequivocally ruled out.

[Karsten]

I hope we get some good liberty minded 3rd party candidates this cycle (and not Barr nor Root!), nomatter what happens to Ron.

[Peace&Freedom]

He looks like he would ace the election of the Olive Garden Rotary Club meeting. It also looks like he would get eaten alive by a low on the food chain lobbyist in a mouthful.


That's probably exactly what his opponent said in Jesse's race for Mayor, and then in his race for Governor. Come on, Ventura has never lost an election. That by itself makes him at least as strong or stronger than most other possibilities for Paul's running mate (for example, he's stronger than Napolitano, who has never won an election).

[anaconda]

Now Rand running on any ticket with Ron IS something he unequivocally ruled out.

Rand only said that he would not run against his dad, as far as I know. Or, if there is a link of such a quote by Rand I'd like to see it.

[Dianne]

Rand.

That's what I think. Rand is well liked and given Ron's age, some peeps are going to be looking at his vp more so than Ron.

The earlier he announces VP, the better.

[Liberty74]

I heard the Alex Jones show where Jesse talked about running with Ron Paul on the Libertarian ticket. I was screaming at my iPhone because if one is going to run as a 3rd Party candidate, you don't run on the Libertarian ticket. About 30% of Americans are registered what? A smart politician would run on the Independent ticket. Both recent Iowa and Florida polling data shows Ron Paul doing the best among that group.

Rasmussen Reports has all sorts of polling data where people are reading to JUMP the two party dictatorships.

My conspiracy prediction? Palin runs as an Independent.

To get in the national debates, I believe a 3rd party candidate has to at least be polling 10%.

Seriously, it's too early to be talking about Ron Paul running as an Independent. But at the same time, it's foolish not to have that somewhere in the back of your minds as an option.

[anaconda]

I heard the Alex Jones show where Jesse talked about running with Ron Paul on the Libertarian ticket. I was screaming at my iPhone because if one is going to run as a 3rd Party candidate, you don't run on the Libertarian ticket. About 30% of Americans are registered what? A smart politician would run on the Independent ticket. Both recent Iowa and Florida polling data shows Ron Paul doing the best among that group.

Rasmussen Reports has all sorts of polling data where people are reading to JUMP the two party dictatorships.

My conspiracy prediction? Palin runs as an Independent.

To get in the national debates, I believe a 3rd party candidate has to at least be polling 10%.

Seriously, it's too early to be talking about Ron Paul running as an Independent. But at the same time, it's foolish not to have that somewhere in the back of your minds as an option.

Why can't the independents vote for the Libertarian? The nice thing about the Libertarian nomination is that I think maybe they usually have done quite a bit of the leg work for ballot access in most or all of the states.