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limequat
09-27-2011, 12:51 PM
Ford pulls its ad on bailouts
'Didn't take the money' boast ruffles feathers

For the only Detroit automaker that "didn't take the money" of the federal auto bailouts, Ford Motor Co. keeps paying a price for its comparative success and self-reliant turnaround.
There's no help from American taxpayers to help lighten its debt load, giving crosstown rivals comparatively better credit ratings and a financial edge Ford is working diligently to erase all on its own.
There's no clause barring a strike by hourly workers amid this fall's national contract talks with the United Auto Workers — a by-product of the taxpayer-financed bailout that General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC retain until 2015.
And there's no assurance the Dearborn automaker can use the commercially advantageous fact that it didn't "take the money" proffered by the Obama Treasury Department and use it in TV ads angling to sell cars and trucks. Not if the campaign takes a whack at its Detroit rivals and suggests that Ford no longer supports the Obama administration bailouts it backed in public statements and sworn congressional testimony.
As part of a campaign featuring "real people" explaining their decision to buy the Blue Oval, a guy named "Chris" says he "wasn't going to buy another car that was bailed out by our government," according the text of the ad, launched in early September.
"I was going to buy from a manufacturer that's standing on their own: win, lose, or draw. That's what America is about is taking the chance to succeed and understanding when you fail that you gotta' pick yourself up and go back to work."
That's what some of America is about, evidently. Because Ford pulled the ad after individuals inside the White House questioned whether the copy was publicly denigrating the controversial bailout policy CEO Alan Mulally repeatedly supported in the dark days of late 2008, in early '09 and again when the ad flap arose. And more.
With President Barack Obama tuning his re-election campaign amid dismal economic conditions and simmering antipathy toward his stimulus spending and associated bailouts, the Ford ad carried the makings of a political liability when Team Obama can least afford yet another one. Can't have that.
The ad, pulled in response to White House questions (and, presumably, carping from rival GM), threatened to rekindle the negative (if accurate) association just when the president wants credit for their positive results (GM and Chrysler are moving forward, making money and selling vehicles) and to distance himself from any public downside of his decision.
In other words, where presidential politics and automotive marketing collide — clean, green, politically correct vehicles not included — the president wins and the automaker loses because the benefit of the battle isn't worth the cost of waging it.
"This thing is highly charged," says an industry source familiar with the situation. Ford "never meant it to be an attack on the policy. There was not any pressure to take down the ad."
Maybe not technically. But the nexus of politics and the auto business in today's Washington is bigger, broader and more complex than it arguably has been in who knows how long.
Add a re-election campaign for the president credited (or condemned) with executing the bailout, and it should be no surprise that a White House that insists it doesn't want to "run" the business nonetheless reserves the right to question it, implications be damned.
Whatever the politics, the ad kerfuffle exposes two opposed realities existing simultaneously for Ford:
First, a sizable cadre of current and would-be customers oppose the notion of taxpayer bailouts for automakers, whatever the economic costs to the industrial Midwest and the nation of letting them collapse. Meaning there's an advantage Ford can press to remind folks that it didn't receive direct payouts from Treasury.
Second is that Ford supported the bailouts before Congress, in public statements and still does today, despite the recurring snarkiness you hear around its offices in Dearborn that it "didn't take the money."
No, it didn't. But Ford did seek a line of credit from the feds, borrowed billions under a government program to "retool" its plants and effectively failed first. That's why it recruited a superstar CEO from Boeing Co. and gave him some $23 billion in borrowed money to save the Blue Oval from bankruptcy.
Or it would have taken the money, too.
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From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110927/OPINION03/109270322/Howes--Ford-pulls-its-ad-on-bailouts#ixzz1ZBFG3Pix

limequat
09-27-2011, 12:52 PM
I really wish Ford would have stood their ground here and told the WH to fuck off.

acptulsa
09-27-2011, 12:54 PM
I really wish Ford would have stood their ground here and told the WH to fuck off.

They couldn't. They accepted bailouts. They only opted out of the last round, not all of them.

They were about to have their bull called and they knew it.

limequat
09-27-2011, 12:55 PM
You're probably right :(
Still the first amendment implications are scary.

jmdrake
09-27-2011, 12:56 PM
They couldn't. They accepted bailouts. They only opted out of the last round, not all of them.

They were about to have their bull called and they knew it.

First time I'm hearing this. Source?

donnay
09-27-2011, 01:01 PM
Unfortunately they did accept government funds...

Ford Motor Co. Does U-turn on Bailouts

(...)

Although Ford did not need money from the $80 billion bailout program, Ford did receive $5.9 billion in government loans in 2009 to retool its manufacturing plants to produce more fuel-efficient cars, and the company lobbied for and benefited from the cash-for-clunkers program — contrary to the ad’s testimonial that Ford is “standing on their own.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/09/ford-motor-co-does-u-turn-on-bailouts/

acptulsa
09-27-2011, 01:04 PM
First time I'm hearing this. Source?

Here's one that mentions the first round, which was part of the bank bailouts and went directly to the financial arms of the Big Three and others. They also have some other dish you might find tasty.

http://jalopnik.com/5704575/ford-bmw-toyota-took-secret-government-money

I remember it from the time. You were kind of busy carrying on about 9/11 at the time, so I guess you missed that thread. ;)

Xenophage
09-27-2011, 01:27 PM
It's exceptionally difficult to survive, let alone thrive, as a business under the weight of United States tax and regulatory code. It makes it almost necessary to pursue government money as recompense. A good businessman does what is always in the best interests of his company. It's hard to hold that against anyone, and I feel the same way about the working stiff that gets shitcanned and has to take unemployment. The welfare state makes you a participant against your will. We are all slaves to each other.

Anti Federalist
09-27-2011, 01:33 PM
They couldn't. They accepted bailouts. They only opted out of the last round, not all of them.

They were about to have their bull called and they knew it.

Yup, corporate whores all...

While our tax dollars go to build new manufacturing plants in India and Brazil and we sit around and wonder why real unemployment is around 18 percent.

Fuck...

jmdrake
09-27-2011, 01:34 PM
Here's one that mentions the first round, which was part of the bank bailouts and went directly to the financial arms of the Big Three and others. They also have some other dish you might find tasty.

http://jalopnik.com/5704575/ford-bmw-toyota-took-secret-government-money

I remember it from the time. You were kind of busy carrying on about 9/11 at the time, so I guess you missed that thread. ;)

LOL. Well at least I didn't miss the fact that the majority of the CBC voted against TARP the first time it came up for a vote like FrankRep (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?318579-Maxine-Waters-Obama-Unfairly-Singled-Out-the-Black-Caucus-as...-Complainers&p=3597704&viewfull=1#post3597704).

Anyhow, this comment in the link you posted sums up my feelings about it.

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jodark
02 Dec 2010 4:15 PM
Ok, so after reading this a few times and some comments, I think I get the gist.

The FedRes lent the banks of these companies money just like it does to all other banks around the country. Then the banks of these companies have paid nearly all the money back with interest.

That isn't the same as a bailout. That's pretty much how all businesses work. A bank borrows money from the Fed and then loans it to a business who makes and sells a product for profit. The business pays back the loan with interest and keeps the difference. The bank pays back the Fed with interest and keeps the difference.

So while Ford was lent a lot, they've paid most of it back and turned a profit while doing that. That's basically how any business anywhere works. Because they were lent a lot, they could give more car loans to customers which generate a net gain via interest, so they make a profit for shareholders.

And from the author of the article:

@jodark: That's correct. And that's why I didn't call it a bailout.

What was unusual here was the Fed lending directly to corporations. Everyone with a pulse understood it was necessary to do so. The real questions, then as now, was why was it necessary to do so in secret? We don't know whether the Fed took all comers, took some but not others, or turned down a few.

But thanks for pointing this out. I didn't know they had received any help at all.

acptulsa
09-27-2011, 01:41 PM
But thanks for pointing this out. I didn't know they had received any help at all.

Xenophage put his finger on why the Obama administration doesn't even want the debate to happen. The first bailout was Chrysler's in 1980, which also got paid back with interest. That one would never have been necessary had not the EPA, NHTSA and CAFE all descended on the auto industry simultaneously like a hoarde of locusts, squashing little American Motors underfoot and damaging the hell out of Chrysler because neither had the resources to implement all of the crap all at once the way GM did.


"Never was a country in the throes of more capital letters than the old U.S.A., but we still haven't sent out the S.O.S."--Will Rogers

angelatc
09-27-2011, 01:42 PM
They couldn't. They accepted bailouts. They only opted out of the last round, not all of them.

They were about to have their bull called and they knew it.

They didn't take bailouts, per se. They accepted low interest government loans. They should have stood their ground. Factcheck.org is a liberal site. "profited from the cash for clunkers program?" Total fallacy. Nobody profited from that, except perhaps the junkyard owners. The demand chart spiked, then plunged. averaging out overall. In other words, nobody bought a car that wasn't already planning on buying a car.

acptulsa
09-27-2011, 01:47 PM
They didn't take bailouts, per se. They accepted low interest government loans.

Well, I didn't invent the term 'bailout'. But this is what 'bailouts' always are.

HOLLYWOOD
09-27-2011, 01:51 PM
$45 BILLION in TAX CREDITS to the BIG THREE... that's above and beyond the bailout cash, FED 0% loans, buy toxXxic Crap, screw bond holders, etc.

US government Bailed-Out Chrysler, then gave it away to FIAT... now we have to view those idiotic JLO/FIAT commercials.

acptulsa
09-27-2011, 01:53 PM
US government Bailed-Out Chrysler, then gave it away to FIAT... now we have to view those idiotic JLO/FIAT commercials.

Yeah, that. And guess who has owned Fiat all along?

If the U.S. government can't institute socialism by taking things over itself, it will institute socialism by taking U.S. companies over and giving them on a silver platter to the Italian government.

Speaking of Will Rogers' alphabet soup, FIAT is itself an acronym...

jmdrake
09-27-2011, 01:54 PM
Xenophage put his finger on why the Obama administration doesn't even want the debate to happen. The first bailout was Chrysler's in 1980, which also got paid back with interest. That one would never have been necessary had not the EPA, NHTSA and CAFE all descended on the auto industry simultaneously like a hoarde of locusts, squashing little American Motors underfoot and damaging the hell out of Chrysler because neither had the resources to implement all of the crap all at once the way GM did.

Yep. The government creates the problem then offers itself as a solution. It's just like the whole TARP bailout. Lots of people point to the repeal of Glass-Stegal as the start of the banking crisis. But why was Glass-Stegal even necessary? Why should there be a difference between commercial banks and investment banks? Because commercial banks were backed by the FDIC creating a moral hazard. (The government's going to bail out FDIC insured banks because it has to). Add to this Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac plus artificially low interest rates and "NINJA" loans pushed by congress and you have the makings of the housing bubble / derivatives scandal.

acptulsa
09-27-2011, 01:56 PM
Problem-reaction-solution worse than the problem. No wonder we aren't what we once were.

jmdrake
09-27-2011, 01:56 PM
Well, I didn't invent the term 'bailout'. But this is what 'bailouts' always are.

Except the loans Ford got were against real assets and not some "We're going bankrupt because of mismanagement so please bail us out" crisis. The difference is someone who's lights are about to be cut off because he can't pay his bills, and someone who needs gas money to get to the office to pick up his check.

donnay
09-27-2011, 01:57 PM
Yep. The government creates the problem then offers itself as a solution. It's just like the whole TARP bailout. Lots of people point to the repeal of Glass-Stegal as the start of the banking crisis. But why was Glass-Stegal even necessary? Why should there be a difference between commercial banks and investment banks? Because commercial banks were backed by the FDIC creating a moral hazard. (The government's going to bail out FDIC insured banks because it has to). Add to this Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac plus artificially low interest rates and "NINJA" loans pushed by congress and you have the makings of the housing bubble / derivatives scandal.

Hegelian dialectic defined! Problem, reaction--solution!

Aratus
09-27-2011, 03:43 PM
Ford is Ford.
the G.M hybrid
was part of the deal.