Black Panther Threatens Conservative Student Activist for Passing Out Constitutions

[FrankRep]

Black Panther Supporter Warns Conservative Student: I Could ‘Exercise’ My 2nd Amendment Right on You (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/black-panther-supporter-warns-conservative-student-i-could-exercise-my-2nd-amendment-right-on-you/)


The Blaze
September 26, 2011


Here’s the irony about the Constitution: it doesn’t matter if you believe in it or fully accept it, it still protects you. That’s the case with one Black Panther supporter at the University of Minnesota-Duluth. During an exchange with a Constitution-loving student on campus on Sept. 16, the Black Panther supporter said that he could “exercise” his 2nd Amendment right against his fellow student while also admitting later that he doesn’t actually believe in the Constitution.

It all happened while Phil Cleary was passing out Constitutions in honor of Constitution Day. Campusreform.org (which calls Cleary a “conservative) reports (http://d-umn.campusreform.org/group/blog/video-black-panther-threatens-conservative-for-passing-out-constitutions) he had a table of literature promoting Western Civilization (and his group Youth for Western Civilization (http://www.westernyouth.org/about-us/our-mission/)) and was engaging students and faculty on the topic. While doing that he had conversation with someone the site identifies as Blair Jordan Moses, the young man with a soft spot for the Black Panthers.

And Cleary got it on video.

According to the video, the supporter tells Cleary that the 2nd Amendment could come in handy if Clearly ever threatened the campus multicultural center. What would constitute a threat? He never truly defines it, but “suggested that the existence of the group Youth for Western Civilization would count,” according to Campusreform.org.

But the video gets odd once the supporter admits later that “I don’t even believe in the Constitution.” And it gets even more odd when a middle-aged woman approaches Cleary and his table and asks, “Is this a white supremacist group?“ and comments that ”it looks like one.”

You can watch the events unfold below:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj-mSBipPqQ&feature=player_embedded


According to Campusreform.org, the woman in the video who asked about white supremacists is allegedly Susana Pelayo – Woodward (http://www.d.umn.edu/mlrc/photos/), director of the Office of Cultural Diversity on campus. The Blaze sent an e-mail to Pelayo-Woodward asking her to confirm it was her in the video and asking her to share any concerns about Cleary’s group with us. We did not immediately receive a response.

You can visit the Youth for Western Civilization website (http://www.westernyouth.org/) to determine for yourself if it is a white supremacist group.


SOURCE:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/black-panther-supporter-warns-conservative-student-i-could-exercise-my-2nd-amendment-right-on-you/

[Sola_Fide]

Just a bunch of dumb kids. I cringe sometimes at the stuff I was spewing on campus when I was in college:).

[FrankRep]

Youth for Western Civilization Makes Waves On Constitution Day (http://www.westernyouth.org/articles/youth-for-western-civilization-makes-waves-on-constitution-day/)
Black Panther Threatens Student Tabling for YWC


Youth for Western Civilization
26 September 2011


The left cannot handle Youth for Western Civilization. Our mere existence causes them to reveal their true beliefs.

Nowhere is this more apparent than at the University of Minnesota-Duluth. Leadership Institute (http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/) Field Representative Phil Cleary was threatened by Black Panther Blair Jordan Moses while tabling for YWC on Constitution Day.

Here’s a link to the original story (http://d-umn.campusreform.org/group/blog/video-black-panther-threatens-conservative-for-passing-out-constitutions) at Campus Reform (http://www.campusreform.org/) with the account of what happen. We’re attaching the video from Campus Reform as well so you can see for yourself what occurred.

While passing out pocket Constitutions, Moses told Cleary that if he were “a threat to the multicultural center”, he would “exercise his second amendment rights to protect himself”.

Ironically, later on in the video, Moses states that he does not believe in the Constitution and said that the “amendments and all that bullshit didn’t work”. Apparently, Moses will be defending himself with rights he does not acknowledge to exist.

Later in the video Moses makes some jumbled argument over the fact that infamous Black Panther Huey P. Newton is defined by society as a terrorist. I agree it is an unfair definition.

Terrorists usually plan out their acts of violence, and generally have a political undertone to their actions. Newton on the other hand, would indiscriminately kill prostitutes for calling him a childhood nickname, and then flee to Cuba to avoid trial.

The Blaze has also picked up the story (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/black-panther-supporter-warns-conservative-student-i-could-exercise-my-2nd-amendment-right-on-you/), and has some amusing quotes from Moses twitter account regarding the degree of seriousness with which he regards his education.

The video also features the Director of the Office of Cultural Diversity, Susana Pelayo-Woodward, stating that Phil looks like he is with a racist organization.

Contact Ms. Pelayo-Woodward here: ( swoodwar@d.umn.edu ) to ask her whether she actually believes that passing out the Constitution is a racist act.

Moses and Pelayo-Woodward are clear cut examples that the left is nothing more than the militant defenders of the state sanctioned ideology.

Moses obviously fashions himself as some sort of keffiyeh clad, MADE IN CHINA Huey P. Newton pin radical activist fighting against the power structure.

In reality what is Moses actually doing?

Moses is defending the tax payer funded, multimillion dollar multicultural center that subsidizes the existence of individuals like Pelayo-Woodward who do absolutely nothing but denigrate the culture and traditions of the society that props them up.

Moses and his masters over at the Multicultural Center realize that YWC challenges their monopoly over the debate on college campuses. Either the multicultural center is forced to acknowledge Western Culture as an important concept that should receive as much if not more funding than the other multicultural groups on campus, or the entire idea of state sanctioned diversity apparatus is a social construct that should immediately be suspended.

With activists like Phil Cleary and organizations like YWC having the gall to take the debate to the heart of the campus left, the paradigm is about to radically shift.


SOURCE:
http://www.westernyouth.org/articles/youth-for-western-civilization-makes-waves-on-constitution-day/

[jmdrake]

So this black panther who doesn't believe in the constitution wants to exercise his rights under the constitution? Anyway the modern "Black Panthers" are jokes. The original Panthers want nothing to do with them and disparagingly call them "paper panthers".

[dannno]

So this black panther who doesn't believe in the constitution wants to exercise his rights under the constitution? Anyway the modern "Black Panthers" are jokes. The original Panthers want nothing to do with them and disparagingly call them "paper panthers".

Are the newer black panthers more statist? The old ones wanted to essentially separate from the state and take care of their own communities from what I understand.

[specsaregood]

What is "western civilization"? Does it involve cowboy hats, mining for gold, cat-houses and six-shooters?

[FrankRep]

So this black panther who doesn't believe in the constitution wants to exercise his rights under the constitution? Anyway the modern "Black Panthers" are jokes. The original Panthers want nothing to do with them and disparagingly call them "paper panthers".


Flashback:


Black Panther Voter Intimidation Case

http://thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/11aFebruary/eric-holder-govt.001.jpg


2011: AG Eric Holder Reveals Underlying Racism in DOJ Treatment of Black Panther Case (http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/6535-holder-reveals-underlying-racism-in-doj-treatment-of-black-panther-case)

Though evidence of racism in the Justice Department has been evident for some time, Attorney General Eric Holder finally admitted to it on March 1, when he confessed that the Department was lax in the voter-intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party because they are African American. By Raven Clabough

2010: Former Justice Official Testifies Against DOJ (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/3961-former-justice-official-testifies-against-doj)

Former Department of Justice Official Christian Adams testified before the Civil Rights commission “pursuant to a subpoena investigating the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation dismissal.” Adams claimed that the Obama administration has generally failed to prosecute “non-whites” in voter intimidation cases, including a November 4, 2008 incident in which members of the New Black Panthers stood outside of a Philadelphia polling facility bearing nightsticks and employing an intimidating stance.

2010: New Black Panthers on Their Violent Remarks (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/3995-new-black-panthers-on-their-violent-remarks)

Malik Shabazz, The New Black Panther Party national chairman Malik Zulu Shabazz answered not in that context when asked if he believes in killing white babies. Raven Clabough

2010: Inspector General Investigates DOJ (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/4590-inspector-general-investigates-doj)

The Justice Department’s failure to prosecute the 2008 Black Panther voter intimidation case has prompted the Department of Justice’s internal watchdog to launch an investigation into the DOJ’s enforcement of civil rights laws. by Raven Clabough

2010: Justice Department is Biased Officials Say (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/4688-justice-department-is-biased-officials-say)

Christopher Coates, former voting chief for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice gave testimony under oath before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights about the attitude of the Department of Justice towards civil rights violations against white Americans. by Bruce Walker

[pcosmar]

The whole article stinks of race baiting.

[FrankRep]

What is "western civilization"? Does it involve cowboy hats, mining for gold, cat-houses and six-shooters?

Tom Woods wrote a book about it:


http://www.tomwoods.com/images/cover_churchwciv_lg.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895260387/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0895260387)

How The Catholic Church Built Western Civilization (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895260387/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0895260387)
Thomas E. Woods Jr

[dannno]

What is "western civilization"? Does it involve cowboy hats, mining for gold, cat-houses and six-shooters?

Maybe they are referring to Africa, as opposed to the early middle eastern and Mediterranean civilizations :confused:

[Kotin]

I cant stand people who think they know something but obviously do not. I cant stand most people.

[ExPatPaki]

What is "western civilization"? Does it involve cowboy hats, mining for gold, cat-houses and six-shooters?

According to their website, all the rapes, 100%, in Oslo, Norway are done by non-Western men. Non-western men being a code word for Muslim. I never knew Norwegian police designate rapists by religion.

[specsaregood]

..

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Black Panther Supporter Warns Conservative Student: I Could ‘Exercise’ My 2nd Amendment Right on You (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/black-panther-supporter-warns-conservative-student-i-could-exercise-my-2nd-amendment-right-on-you/)


The Blaze
September 26, 2011


Here’s the irony about the Constitution: it doesn’t matter if you believe in it or fully accept it, it still protects you. That’s the case with one Black Panther supporter at the University of Minnesota-Duluth. During an exchange with a Constitution-loving student on campus on Sept. 16, the Black Panther supporter said that he could “exercise” his 2nd Amendment right against his fellow student while also admitting later that he doesn’t actually believe in the Constitution.

It all happened while Phil Cleary was passing out Constitutions in honor of Constitution Day. Campusreform.org (which calls Cleary a “conservative) reports (http://d-umn.campusreform.org/group/blog/video-black-panther-threatens-conservative-for-passing-out-constitutions) he had a table of literature promoting Western Civilization (and his group Youth for Western Civilization (http://www.westernyouth.org/about-us/our-mission/)) and was engaging students and faculty on the topic. While doing that he had conversation with someone the site identifies as Blair Jordan Moses, the young man with a soft spot for the Black Panthers.

And Cleary got it on video.

According to the video, the supporter tells Cleary that the 2nd Amendment could come in handy if Clearly ever threatened the campus multicultural center. What would constitute a threat? He never truly defines it, but “suggested that the existence of the group Youth for Western Civilization would count,” according to Campusreform.org.

But the video gets odd once the supporter admits later that “I don’t even believe in the Constitution.” And it gets even more odd when a middle-aged woman approaches Cleary and his table and asks, “Is this a white supremacist group?“ and comments that ”it looks like one.”

You can watch the events unfold below:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj-mSBipPqQ&feature=player_embedded


According to Campusreform.org, the woman in the video who asked about white supremacists is allegedly Susana Pelayo – Woodward (http://www.d.umn.edu/mlrc/photos/), director of the Office of Cultural Diversity on campus. The Blaze sent an e-mail to Pelayo-Woodward asking her to confirm it was her in the video and asking her to share any concerns about Cleary’s group with us. We did not immediately receive a response.

You can visit the Youth for Western Civilization website (http://www.westernyouth.org/) to determine for yourself if it is a white supremacist group.


SOURCE:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/black-panther-supporter-warns-conservative-student-i-could-exercise-my-2nd-amendment-right-on-you/

See, the Constitution means nothing. This is what people just don't get. If the laws of the Constitution aren't considered mutually inclusive with the Natural Law declared in the Declaration of Independence, it means nothing. When a person tries to sell the Constitution, they are just blowing white Anglo European nonsense. When they speak about our Civil Purpose (as apposed to uncivilized chaos), then it establishes royalism as the long standing problem over the petty issues of prejudice. In other words, royalism has existed forever with this dealing with how a minority has persecuted the majority while racism is a means invented recently by the persecuting minority to keep the majority divided against itself.

[Mini-Me]

So this black panther who doesn't believe in the constitution wants to exercise his rights under the constitution? Anyway the modern "Black Panthers" are jokes. The original Panthers want nothing to do with them and disparagingly call them "paper panthers".

The Black Panthers seem way too complicated and diverse for me to really know what "they" are about. I like the ones who followed cops around, armed to the teeth, and peacefully stood watch when they made arrests though. If only we had more of that... :D

[FrankRep]

According to their website, all the rapes, 100%, in Oslo, Norway are done by non-Western men. Non-western men being a code word for Muslim. I never knew Norwegian police designate rapists by religion.

According to the News and Police.

Report Finds Every Rape in Oslo, Norway the Past Year Was By Non-Western Foreigner - Every single one. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43782)

Human Events
05/28/2011



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rHFKRwv5Y&feature=player_embedded

[Lafayette]

What is "western civilization"? Does it involve cowboy hats, mining for gold, cat-houses and six-shooters?

Minus the cowboy hats, sounds like a good time :)

[Mini-Me]

According to the News and Police.

Report Finds Every Rape in Oslo, Norway the Past Year Was By Non-Western Foreigner - Every single one. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43782)

Human Events
05/28/2011



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rHFKRwv5Y&feature=player_embedded

Assuming this is the case (I have no idea how credible this is), what do you suggest as a solution? Obviously you'd advocate closed borders, but what else?

[jmdrake]

Are the newer black panthers more statist? The old ones wanted to essentially separate from the state and take care of their own communities from what I understand.

I'm not sure if they are more statist or not. I just know about the rift between the two groups.

http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm
There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation
In response from numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.

Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner.

Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.

Furthermore, this group claims it would "teach" the black community about armed self-defense. The arrogance of this claim is overwhelmed by its reactionary nature. Blacks, especially in the South, have been armed in self-defense for a very long time; indeed, the spiritual parent of the Party itself was the Louisiana-based Deacons for Defense. However, the Party understood that the gun was not necessarily revolutionary, for the police and all other oppressive forces had guns. It was the ideology behind the gun that determined its nature.

Because the Party believed that only the masses of people would make the revolution, the Party never presumed itself to be above the people. The Party considered itself a servant of the people and taught by example. Given massive black hunger, the Party provided free breakfast for children and other free food programs. In the absence of decent medical facilities in the black community, the Party operated free medical clinics. In the face of police brutality, the Party stood up and resisted. Considering the overwhelming number of blacks facing trials and long prison terms, the Party developed free legal aids and bussing-to-prison programs.

The question the Foundation raises, then, is who are these people laying claim to the Party's history and name? Are they reactionary provocateurs, who would instigate activities counterproductive to the people's interests, causing mayhem and death? Are they entertainers, who would posture themselves before the media, and, according to numerous sources, with empty guns, to spin gold for themselves? Are they, given the history of their late-leader Khalid Muhammad, a group of anti-Semites like the very Ku Klux Klan they allegedly oppose? What is their agenda?

Conditions for blacks in America today are worse than when the Black Panther Party was formed in 1966. Blacks in the main continue to live in poverty; disproportionate percentages of blacks die from AIDS and cancer, as the black infant mortality rate continues to be double that of whites. There is a desperate need for liberation agenda. The Black Panther Party unarguably set the example, espousing principles and a history that certainly should be embraced by all those still struggling for freedom. Rather than appropriating the Party's name, however, groups that purport to represent African Americans ought to follow the Party's true historical example. In the absence of such commitment, the Foundation denounces the usurpation of the Black Panther Party name by this questionable band of self-appointed leaders.

For further reading on the Black Panther Party, please visit our website at www.blackpanther.org. Books by and about the Black Panthers can also be purchased online through this site. Suggested reading includes Revolutionary Suicide, To Die for the People, War Against the Panthers, This Side of Glory, and A Taste of Power.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I'm not sure if they are more statist or not. I just know about the rift between the two groups.

http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm
There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation
In response from numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.

Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner.

Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.

Furthermore, this group claims it would "teach" the black community about armed self-defense. The arrogance of this claim is overwhelmed by its reactionary nature. Blacks, especially in the South, have been armed in self-defense for a very long time; indeed, the spiritual parent of the Party itself was the Louisiana-based Deacons for Defense. However, the Party understood that the gun was not necessarily revolutionary, for the police and all other oppressive forces had guns. It was the ideology behind the gun that determined its nature.

Because the Party believed that only the masses of people would make the revolution, the Party never presumed itself to be above the people. The Party considered itself a servant of the people and taught by example. Given massive black hunger, the Party provided free breakfast for children and other free food programs. In the absence of decent medical facilities in the black community, the Party operated free medical clinics. In the face of police brutality, the Party stood up and resisted. Considering the overwhelming number of blacks facing trials and long prison terms, the Party developed free legal aids and bussing-to-prison programs.

The question the Foundation raises, then, is who are these people laying claim to the Party's history and name? Are they reactionary provocateurs, who would instigate activities counterproductive to the people's interests, causing mayhem and death? Are they entertainers, who would posture themselves before the media, and, according to numerous sources, with empty guns, to spin gold for themselves? Are they, given the history of their late-leader Khalid Muhammad, a group of anti-Semites like the very Ku Klux Klan they allegedly oppose? What is their agenda?

Conditions for blacks in America today are worse than when the Black Panther Party was formed in 1966. Blacks in the main continue to live in poverty; disproportionate percentages of blacks die from AIDS and cancer, as the black infant mortality rate continues to be double that of whites. There is a desperate need for liberation agenda. The Black Panther Party unarguably set the example, espousing principles and a history that certainly should be embraced by all those still struggling for freedom. Rather than appropriating the Party's name, however, groups that purport to represent African Americans ought to follow the Party's true historical example. In the absence of such commitment, the Foundation denounces the usurpation of the Black Panther Party name by this questionable band of self-appointed leaders.

For further reading on the Black Panther Party, please visit our website at www.blackpanther.org. Books by and about the Black Panthers can also be purchased online through this site. Suggested reading includes Revolutionary Suicide, To Die for the People, War Against the Panthers, This Side of Glory, and A Taste of Power.

When every issue is reduced to the people's Civil Purpose, there is no room left to argue. This becomes convenient as it provides lots of time for husbands to get out of the hair of their annoying wives by going fishing.

[jmdrake]

Youth for Western Civilization Makes Waves On Constitution Day
Black Panther Threatens Student Tabling for YWC


Youth for Western Civilization
26 September 2011


The left cannot handle Youth for Western Civilization. Our mere existence causes them to reveal their true beliefs.
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Terrorists usually plan out their acts of violence, and generally have a political undertone to their actions. Newton on the other hand, would indiscriminately kill prostitutes for calling him a childhood nickname, and then flee to Cuba to avoid trial.


A correction to your article Frank.

http://www.africawithin.com/bios/huey_newton.htm
Newton tried to shed his image as a firebreathing revolutionary, but he continued to have difficulty with the police. In 1974 several assault charges were filed against him, and he was also accused of murdering a 17-year-old prostitute, Kathleen Smith. Newton failed to make his court appearance. His bail was revoked, a bench warrant issued, and his name added to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's most wanted list. Newton had jumped bail and escaped to Cuba, where he spent three years in exile. In Cuba he worked as a machinist and teacher. He returned home in 1977 to face murder charges because, he said, the climate in the United States had changed and he believed he could get a fair trial. He was acquitted of the murder of Kathleen Smith after two juries were deadlocked.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

The Black Panthers seem way too complicated and diverse for me to really know what "they" are about. I like the ones who followed cops around, armed to the teeth, and peacefully stood watch when they made arrests though. If only we had more of that... :D

Looking like a bad ass punk must work. If it didn't, these bad ass looking punks wouldn't do it. In other words, there must be a lot of gals who go spread legged crazy over bad ass looking punks.

[Lord Xar]

Did you see the chickie that was next to him? Man, she was hot! He must be doing something right.. maybe hot chicks nowadays like the dumb-ones. Easier to manipulate.. who knows.

[AuH20]

I like these guys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXDWEZekD-A

[Pericles]

The Black Panthers seem way too complicated and diverse for me to really know what "they" are about. I like the ones who followed cops around, armed to the teeth, and peacefully stood watch when they made arrests though. If only we had more of that... :D

Keeping everybody honest is a good thing.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

lol @ Black Panthers

[Justinjj1]

A couple of idiot college kids have a stupid discussion, this is totally newsworthy.

God, I can't wait to read what The New American has to say about this this shocking event.

[oyarde]

What is it about the Constitution , reading , education he is against ?

[oyarde]

Are the newer black panthers more statist? The old ones wanted to essentially separate from the state and take care of their own communities from what I understand. That would vary from city to city with leadership , but you can look the principles up on line, disturbing . Statist ? yes, in my opinion .

[LarryLawrence]

The young man in the video, Blair Jordon Moses, threatened to “exercise” his 2nd amendment rights if he perceived that there was any kind of threat to the Multicultural Center. He did not define what a threat would constitute but suggested that the existence of the group Youth for Western Civilization would count.

http://independentfilmnewsandmedia.com/video-black-panther-threatens-student-activist-passing-constitutions/

[Jeremy]

The Youth for Western Civilization were at CPAC, and I agree with the lady in the video... they look like a racist group. I wouldn't be surprised if they are. They are very weird like that. And they are made up of social/neocon types... not libertarian in the least bit. The kid at CPAC even criticized the libertarians.

[oyarde]

The whole article stinks of race baiting. Good point , I try not to pay it much attention , it is not worthy .

[AuH20]

The Youth for Western Civilization were at CPAC, and I agree with the lady in the video... they look like a racist group. I wouldn't be surprised if they are. They are very weird like that. And they are made up of social/neocon types... not libertarian in the least bit. The kid at CPAC even criticized the libertarians.

Paleos and libertarians don't see eye to eye, but I question the racism charge.

[Jeremy]

Paleos and libertarians don't see eye to eye, but racist?

It's a group of young white people. They blame the world's problems on minorities. And I don't see how they are paleo conservatives at all. Paleos agree with libertarians on a lot of things.

[AuH20]

It's a group of young white people. They blame the world's problems on minorities.

Did you see the video I posted earlier? There was no blaming of minorities. They are cultural supremacists just like I am. Value systems are critical to establishing order and in turn, liberty or did libertarians not know this? Libertarians like to talk about liberty but very few understand where it originates from.

[Jeremy]

Did you see the video I posted earlier? There was no blaming of minorities. They are cultural supremacists just like I am. Value systems are critical to establishing order and in turn, liberty or did libertarians not know this? Libertarians like to talk about liberty but very few understand where it originates from.
Oh I know there was nothing wrong in that video. I saw that video a few days ago. I was criticizing the group as a whole, not that one video. They told us at CPAC they don't like libertarians... pretty clear where they stand.

[AuH20]

Oh I know there was nothing wrong in that video. I saw that video a few days ago. I was criticizing the group as a whole, not that one video. They told us at CPAC they don't like libertarians... pretty clear where they stand.

Well, I think they're misguided for uniformly disregarding libertarians over a few policy disagreements. I'm a proud paleo and I generally enjoy the company of libertarians.

[pcosmar]

It's a group of young white people. They blame the world's problems on minorities. .

Was the impression I got from their site.
I did not watch the video and skipped most of the opinion on the web, just looking at their stuff.

Gut instinct,, White supremacists that are being very politically careful. I have seen this before.

[Jeremy]

Well, I think they're misguided for uniformly disregarding libertarians over a few policy disagreements. I'm a proud paleo and I generally enjoy the company of libertarians.

Last I checked, paleos aren't pro war and pro drug war, etc.

[AuH20]

A quality article on YFWC. If white citizens are unfortunately the last proponents of western civilization, the natural inclination is to immediately label any such movement as racist. That is the sad state of affairs in this country:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/education/6329-youth-for-western-civilization


He elaborated, explaining why the group views multiculturalism on college campuses to be such an important concern:

Pat Buchanan was right — the death of the west is happening; what else matters?

Because if you cannot reverse that — if you do not have an actual United States of America that exists as a real entity any more — it’s irrelevant to talk about the Constitution ... limited government ... national sovereignty, because the thing you are defending is already gone. And especially on a college campus this would be an important point I would make ([particularly] for older readers), that [the] sense of American identify connected with ... a real authentic American history has been totally removed.

So when you are appealing to the Constitution or ... to limited government, these things have no resonance with a lot of young Americans, except for ... being a vaguely "racist" remnant of a terrible past. So if you are not going to combat that, how are you going to get back to a constitutional government — how are you going to get back to limited government?


Pat Buchanan’s book The Death of the West is listed on the website’s recommended reading list, and DeAnna regards Buchanan as his main inspiration or role model, in addition to Tom Tancredo, whom YWC hosted in a CPAC event on immigration.

Although not primarily focused on foreign policy, DeAnna identified himself as a non-interventionist opposed to the war in Iraq. The problem as he sees it is “subversion at the top, by our national government,” especially when it comes to the issue of mass immigration.

[AuH20]

Last I checked, paleos aren't pro war and pro drug war, etc.

Is YWC uniformly pro-war? Pat Buchanan is highly regarded in their circles.

[AuH20]

White supremacy is the belief, and promotion of the belief, that white people are superior to people of other races based on genetics alone. That idea is malarkey, in that a human being, despite one's genetic predispositions is an empty vessel to be imbued to with certain ideals and values, regardless of skin tone. That's where the amalgamation of knowledge, known as the tome of Western Civilization enters the picture in crafting citizens of a higher caliber.

[GreenLP]

Maybe I missed, but where did the Black Panther member threaten the conservative student for passing out copies of the constitution?

[jmdrake]

White supremacy is the belief, and promotion of the belief, that white people are superior to people of other races based on genetics alone. That idea is malarkey, in that a human being, despite one's genetic predispositions is an empty vessel to be imbued to with certain ideals and values, regardless of skin tone. That's where the amalgamation of knowledge, known as the tome of Western Civilization enters the picture in crafting citizens of a higher caliber.

Except such a view ignores what Eastern civilization brought to the table of Western Civilization. When Western Europe was in the dark ages it was the Muslim nations that kept math and science alive. Our whole system of government service based on merit instead of cronyism came from China. (Admittedly cronyism still wins out far too often. But at least government pretends to base decisions on merit.) And without the Chinese invention of gunpowder Western civilization never would have propagated the way it did. Where did the magi who visited Jesus come from? The east. Where did Abraham come from? The land that is now Iraq. Libertarianism itself was first discussed in ancient China and long before it ever became a part of Western Civilization.

[jmdrake]

Maybe I missed, but where did the Black Panther member threaten the conservative student for passing out copies of the constitution?

The threat was veiled and not directed at the activity itself. Basically the fake Black Panther said "If you threaten the multicultural building I'll exercise my first amendment rights". Imagine if you were on the sidewalk handing out Ron Paul slim jims and somebody said "I you attempt to bomb this church I'll defend it with lethal force." Your immediate reaction might be "Why are you even talking about that when I took no action indicating I was even thinking about bombing a church?"

[GreenLP]

The threat was veiled and not directed at the activity itself. Basically the fake Black Panther said "If you threaten the multicultural building I'll exercise my first amendment rights". Imagine if you were on the sidewalk handing out Ron Paul slim jims and somebody said "I you attempt to bomb this church I'll defend it with lethal force." Your immediate reaction might be "Why are you even talking about that when I took no action indicating I was even thinking about bombing a church?"
Well the video only starts right as the Black Panther says that. We have no idea what is said before, so we don't know the whole truth about what really happened. The conservative activist could have brought up the subject of the 2nd amendment first. I'm starting to think the video was started at that point to make it look like the Black Panther brought it up out of nowhere, but that's just my hunch.

Personally, I think this video is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

[jmdrake]

Well the video only starts right as the Black Panther says that. We have no idea what is said before, so we don't know the whole truth about what really happened. The conservative activist could have brought up the subject of the 2nd amendment first. I'm starting to think the video was started at that point to make it look like the Black Panther brought it up out of nowhere, but that's just my hunch.

Personally, I think this video is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Maybe so. FrankRep posted the OP and he's known for stretching the truth.

[donnay]

Fake Letters and Bad Poetry: Highlights from the FBI's Secret War on Dissent

(...)

Among the most egregious assaults on American democracy were carried out under the FBI’s Counter-Intelligence Program, a.k.a. Cointelpro. Launched in the Cold War 1950s, Cointelpro was intended to, according to the FBI, "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize the activities of black nationalists, hate-type organizations and groups, their leadership, membership, and supporters." By the FBI’s hazy definition, "hate-type organizations" could include just about anyone who threatened the status quo–the Black Panthers and Communists, of course, but also anti-Vietnam peaceniks, labor leaders, and Native American groups. These "subversives" were to be secretly investigated and their activities disrupted.

Many of the FBI’s strategies are familiar to Hollywood audiences: tapping phones, stealing files, and hiring spies to infiltrate groups. But by far its most creative tactic was creating "black propaganda"–that is, propaganda that disguises its source. Faked dirty letters, poems, and satirical comic books were among the FBI’s many devices for pitting activists against one another.

Cointelpro was officially sacked in the 1970s when Watergate made domestic surveillance less palatable. But Cointelpro’s demise was in name only, for many of its strategies persist. FBI agents have been known, for example, to masquerade as anti-globalization protesters, secretly joining activist groups and later arresting them on conspiracy charges (ironically enough). Reclaim the Streets, an activist group here in New York, is currently listed on the FBI website as an example of a "left-wing terrorist" organization. What has RTS done to earn the FBI’s wrath? It has thrown impromptu street parties, blocking off parts of the Lower East Side and literally dancing in the streets. (RTS formed to protest the draconian anti-assembly laws in New York, where–in most bars and restaurants–it’s actually illegal to dance.) No broken windows, no violence, just savvy civil disobedience.

If you think we’re making all of this up, you can see the evidence for yourself. Some of the Cointelpro files have been released under the Freedom of Information Act and published as is in collections such as Nelson Blackstock’s Cointelpro and Ward Churchill & Jim Vander Wall’s, Cointelpro Papers. Both books come heartily recommended. –Carrie McLaren

Read more: http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/archives/19/fbi.html

[BlackTerrel]

The whole article stinks of race baiting.

It's based on a couple minutes of video of a couple kids having an argument basically. Granted the "black panther" is an idiot - like most in that group I've come across. But nothing here that out of the ordinary for a college campus.

[oyarde]

It's based on a couple minutes of video of a couple kids having an argument basically. Granted the "black panther" is an idiot - like most in that group I've come across. But nothing here that out of the ordinary for a college campus. Good point , campus , what else would you expect ?

[oyarde]

The threat was veiled and not directed at the activity itself. Basically the fake Black Panther said "If you threaten the multicultural building I'll exercise my first amendment rights". Imagine if you were on the sidewalk handing out Ron Paul slim jims and somebody said "I you attempt to bomb this church I'll defend it with lethal force." Your immediate reaction might be "Why are you even talking about that when I took no action indicating I was even thinking about bombing a church?" Love the anology , I guess I must not look like a guy who would bomb a church :) , otherwise , some young nut may have said that to me at some time :)

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

White supremacy is the belief, and promotion of the belief, that white people are superior to people of other races based on genetics alone. That idea is malarkey, in that a human being, despite one's genetic predispositions is an empty vessel to be imbued to with certain ideals and values, regardless of skin tone. That's where the amalgamation of knowledge, known as the tome of Western Civilization enters the picture in crafting citizens of a higher caliber.

So, you don't believe our Founding Fathers established for us a formal-culture?

[AGRP]

More race infighting oriented news from another Neocon outlet. Their pattern and objectives are very obvious.

[libertybrewcity]

What is "western civilization"? Does it involve cowboy hats, mining for gold, cat-houses and six-shooters?

I've always wondered this myself. I've lots of clubs at colleges called "Student for Western Civilization", but what the heck does that mean? They would be better off calling it something else.

I can't see why someone would be so excited to protect McDonalds, commercialized holidays, nascar, and obesity.

[BUSHLIED]

Well the blacks were right about one thing, YWC are anti-multicultural, they are basically Buchanan-ites..

[AuH20]

So, you don't believe our Founding Fathers established for us a formal-culture?

The very U.S. constitution is imbued with the key staples of Western Civilization. The wisdom of Aristotle & the great Greek minds of the past (it isn't a coincidence that the authors of the federalist papers were disguised with Greek pseudonyms in some instances -- these men were well-versed in the Classics), the seminal importance of the Magna Carta, the humility & extreme sense of discipline brought forth by the Puritans, the key principles outlined by Locke and Hobbes, the revolutionary ideas brought forth by the Enlightenment. All these key elements were brought together and encoded within that historic document. It's certainly not perfect but for over 200 years it has served as an effective firewall against tyranny in comparison to other documents. Obviously, the wickedness of man will erode and decay any sound document from the moment of it's creation. A constitution is ultimately as strong as the citizenry which defends it over time.

[AuH20]

A concise explanation of Western Civilization in the modern sense and WHY IT'S PRESERVATION IS ESSENTIAL:

http://robertringer.com/core-beliefs/the-survival-of-western-civilization/


While it is true that Western countries are not perfect — i.e., they are often hypocritical, routinely violate both property and civil rights, and commit aggression against other nations — they are head and shoulders above non-Western countries when it comes to nonviolence, respect for individual rights, and demonstrating compassion. Without question, notwithstanding its flaws, Western civilization is still the most moral and civilized culture the world has ever known.

In order for a civilization to survive and prosper, it must possess a generally accepted code of conduct. In the case of Western civilization, I am referring to such virtues as self-responsibility, respect for the property of others, hard work, honesty, loyalty, proper hygiene and dress, temperance, civility, tolerance, persistence, thriftiness, planning for the future, self-discipline, a stable economic system, respect for elders, and reverence for the family unit.

But perhaps the most glaring trademark of Western culture is nonviolence. Compared to most societies throughout the world, where violence is ingrained in the culture, Western civilization is, notwithstanding its ill-advised foreign adventures, generally nonviolent.

Unfortunately, for decades Western civilization has been under attack by enemies not only from abroad, but from within, as well. It is not the barbarians at the gates who should give us the greatest concern. Far more threatening to the survival of Western civilization is the enemy from within — or, more accurately, the enemies from within. These enemies include a wide array of forces that clearly are intent on undermining all that is moral, decent, and civilized in Western culture.

What I am referring to here are the sworn enemies of our civilized code of conduct, the very heart and soul of Western civilization. For the most part, these enemies are so-called progressives that include a wide variety of special-interest groups, parasites, and relativists who revel in sloth, vulgar behavior, and, above all, living off the efforts of others. They are the destructive forces that have virtually hijacked America and other Western nations.

In reality, the term progressivism is a misnomer, because, based on their words and actions, progressives actually hate progress. Why would anyone want to stop human progress? In most cases, it’s not a matter of bad intentions. Rather, it’s more a combination of naiveté, ignorance, and arrogance.

Unfortunately, this naiveté, ignorance, and arrogance has been moving the United States and the rest of the Western world away from liberty and toward servitude for more than a hundred years. Ayn Rand summed up the progressive perfectly when she said, “The man who has no purpose, but has to act, acts to destroy others.”

I should point out that I do not see this situation so much as good versus evil, because the debate over good and evil — and, indeed, whether good and evil even exist — is an intellectual and religious hornet’s nest. Rather, I see today’s world-wide conflict as one between civilized and uncivilized people. Framing the problem in this fashion removes such emotive factors as religion, race, and nationality from the equation.

Millions of Americans have bought into the big lie that diversity is America’s greatest strength. But, in truth, diversity is not a strength; it’s a weakness. This is so self-evident that I am tempted to posit it as an axiom. History makes it clear that diversity is not a helpful ingredient for keeping a civilization intact. On the contrary, cultural diversity has always proven to be a divider of people.

Having said this, I should emphasize that skin color is not an issue. It has been a long, hard struggle, fraught with racism and injustice, but millions of non-white Americans have succeeded in adapting to Western culture. For them, diversity is not a problem.

Diversity, however, is a major issue when it comes to those on the radical left who despise Western culture. These are the individuals who revel at every opportunity to vilify civilized people of goodwill who make a sincere effort to abide by Western civilization’s generally accepted code of conduct.

These haters of Western culture are among the worst of the barbarians dwelling inside our gates, and it is clear that nothing short of a total destruction of our way of life will satisfy them. And because they are rebels without a moral cause, any attempt to pacify or reason with them is folly.

Certitudes

Unfortunately, relativism, which goes back to at least the time of the Greek Empire, is in full bloom throughout the Western world. Who’s to say what’s right and wrong? After all, isn’t everything just a matter of opinion? In 21st century America, anything goes.

Civility is one of the things that most distinguishes the human race from the animal kingdom. Our desire for civility must be second only to our love of freedom. Since the hippie protests of the sixties, however, Western culture has deteriorated into a cesspool of anything-goes, take-this-job-and-shove-it antisocial dropouts. There is a stunning disrespect for anything that smacks of mainstream, and a seeming hatred for any kind of civilized structure to society.

In truth, however, I believe that young people are hungry for certitudes. They want to know that there are limits to acceptable behavior, both in the eyes of their parents and society as a whole. They don’t want to hear the relativist’s cop-out that “it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.” They want to know that aggression will always be punished. They want to know that they will be rewarded not on the basis of ethnicity, but on merit. They want, and need, certitudes.

Purist libertarians argue that a totally free society can exist only in an atmosphere of anarchy, but this notion conflicts with the reality that civilization cannot exist without a generally accepted code of conduct. When certitudes cease to exist, confusion reins, and confusion and frustration are natural bedfellows. Together they lead to fear, fear of the unknowns that might fill the vacancies left by certitudes.

The worst long-term effect of a society without certitudes is that in the wake of chaos, someone ultimately will come along and force order upon it. When certitudes vanish, the disappearance of liberty cannot be far behind. It’s an environment that is ripe for dictatorship.

Thus, the Achilles Heel of purist libertarianism is that it relies on the voluntary goodwill of all people in a society. As a result, it opens the door to progressives, communists, and radicals of many other stripes who believe in the use of force to socially engineer the human race to their liking.

Radicals throughout the world are fond of referring to the United States as the Great Satan, but they are pointing in the wrong direction. The Great Satan is progressivism, which is the enemy of Western civilization. It is an ideology whose goal it is to destroy individual liberty and socially engineer the human race.

Millions of well-meaning but naïve people love to use terms like “civil discourse,” “compromise,” and “bipartisan consensus” when it comes to dealing with progressives. There is no question that these terms sound admirable, but only if you are dealing with civil people.

Progressives, however, are not civil. They lie, they cheat, they deceive, they vilify, they ridicule, and they fear monger … to name just a handful of the vile and despicable tactics they employ. Nothing — absolutely noting — is off limits to them. To be a progressive is to believe in the Marxian maxim “the end justifies the means.” Translation: Anything goes.

I believe it’s time to fight back and restore the ideals that comprise the embodiment of Western culture. When our safety and the fabric of our civilization are in obvious jeopardy, we should be proactive and do whatever it takes to assure the survival of our Western way of life. No matter how much we may believe that aggression is the only action that is against the law, it would be folly to ignore the enemies from within and sit idly by as Western culture continues to disintegrate.

If we do not resist progressivism and confront it at every turn, it might very well succeed at plunging the Western world into another Dark Ages from which it may never recover. Thus, while liberty should always be our number-one objective, reality dictates that we should be ever vigilant about preserving our cherished Eurocentric way of life, even if it means sacrificing to some degree our purist libertarian beliefs.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I've always wondered this myself. I've lots of clubs at colleges called "Student for Western Civilization", but what the heck does that mean? They would be better off calling it something else.

I can't see why someone would be so excited to protect McDonalds, commercialized holidays, nascar, and obesity.

Western Civilization is that which came out of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. Eastern Civilizaton came out of China and India.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Except such a view ignores what Eastern civilization brought to the table of Western Civilization. When Western Europe was in the dark ages it was the Muslim nations that kept math and science alive. Our whole system of government service based on merit instead of cronyism came from China. (Admittedly cronyism still wins out far too often. But at least government pretends to base decisions on merit.) And without the Chinese invention of gunpowder Western civilization never would have propagated the way it did. Where did the magi who visited Jesus come from? The east. Where did Abraham come from? The land that is now Iraq. Libertarianism itself was first discussed in ancient China and long before it ever became a part of Western Civilization.

Many believe Eastern Civilization brought the preaching of the sophists to Western Civilization. The Greek philosophers then challenged and defeated the sophists by developing quality truths by the use of dialectic truth engines.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

The very U.S. constitution is imbued with the key staples of Western Civilization. The wisdom of Aristotle & the great Greek minds of the past (it isn't a coincidence that the authors of the federalist papers were disguised with Greek pseudonyms in some instances -- these men were well-versed in the Classics), the seminal importance of the Magna Carta, the humility & extreme sense of discipline brought forth by the Puritans, the key principles outlined by Locke and Hobbes, the revolutionary ideas brought forth by the Enlightenment. All these key elements were brought together and encoded within that historic document. It's certainly not perfect but for over 200 years it has served as an effective firewall against tyranny in comparison to other documents. Obviously, the wickedness of man will erode and decay any sound document from the moment of it's creation. A constitution is ultimately as strong as the citizenry which defends it over time.

Law for the sake of the law is no better than utter chaos. The natural law declared in The Declaration of Independence should be held mutually inclusive with the law of the land ratified in The U.S. Constitution. We are born into a marriage to tyranny. As a result, our Founders schemed a way to divorce us rightfully from such legal precedence by the use of the scientific method of natural law. After rightfully divorcing us, they then remarried us to a more perfect union which, at best, serves us as a necessary tyranny.
The interpretation of law regarding our new marriage to a more perfect union is dependent (mutually inclusive) to the interpretation of the natural law regarding the divorce from the old tyranny.

[Becker]

Black Panthers have long dissolved as an organization, is this person part of "New Black Panthers"? or what?

[FrankRep]

Black Panthers have long dissolved as an organization, is this person part of "New Black Panthers"? or what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

[Becker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

You didn't answer my question.

[COpatriot]

Can we stop linking to horseshit sites like The Blaze? Seeing shit like this posted on this site is an embarrassment.

[Becker]

Can we stop linking to horseshit sites like The Blaze? Seeing shit like this posted on this site is an embarrassment.

Yeah, let's go back to linking TNA & wikipedia.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Can we stop linking to horseshit sites like The Blaze? Seeing shit like this posted on this site is an embarrassment.

In University we learn how to lie. As my education was received in a community college, I am a very poor liar.

[specsaregood]

In University we learn how to lie. As my education was received in a community college, I am a very poor liar.

Given the lowers costs of CC, are you not a "poor liar" but a more wealthy, less debt-ridden graduate?

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Given the lowers costs of CC, are you not a "poor liar" but a more wealthy, less debt-ridden graduate?

As it is being revealed slowly to us today, our educations were a huge lie. Yes, I'm not in debt. I paid off my student loan. I work instead of living off of extended government unemployment benefits and food stamps.

Indeed, I am a poor lying, less debt-ridden fool. The joke is on me.