Surgeons won't have to wait to make sure a heart has stopped beating before harvesting org

[donnay]

Surgeons won't have to wait to make sure a heart has stopped beating before harvesting organs - Under New Guidelines

The Daily Mail
Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:57 CDT

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Rush for organs: Surgeons would not have to wait to see if a donor's heart starts beating again before harvesting organs if new proposals go ahead

Surgeons retrieving organs to be transplanted just after a patient's heart has stopped beating will no longer have to wait to make sure it doesn't start up again if new proposals are adopted.

At present when doctors are retrieving organs they have to wait at least two minutes to ensure it doesn't spontaneously start again.

Critics now fear seriously ill patients could be viewed more like tissue banks than sick people if the plans to change rules about organ donation go ahead.

There is currently a ban on considering anyone to be a potential donor before doctors and family members have independently decided to stop trying to save them.

That is poised to be eliminated if the plans by the group that co-ordinates organ allocation in the United States are adopted.

The proposed changes by the United Network for Organ Sharing, the Richmond nonprofit organization that coordinates organ donation under a contract with the federal government, are part of the first major overhaul of the 2007 guidelines governing "donation after cardiac death," or DCD, which accounted for 6% of the 28,000 organs transplanted in 2010.

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[steve005]

thats why I'm not a donor

[donnay]

thats why I'm not a donor

I think at the rate this is heading, you won't have to volunteer as a donor. If your tissue or organs match up to an elite who needs it, you will be a donor and never know it! :mad:

"Guns don't kill people, doctors do!"

[Birdlady]

wow that is frightening! I used to be a donor back in my teenager years when I was naive about the world. Then when I read about stories of people being "left to die" to get their organs I took that off...

This article makes it sound like a chronically ill person has more meaning as a donor than they do living out their own lives as they choose. I think each individual should make that choice, not some govt agency, organization or doctor.

[Voluntary Man]

thats why I'm not a donor

ditto that, brother.

i was at the DMV, last week, renewing my licence. the DMV "officer"(?) asked if i wanted to be an organ donor. i said,"no thanks. i prefer to be revived."

[smartguy911]

In future they will just print organs. No need to harvest them.

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/03/anthony-atala-at-ted/all/1

[eduardo89]

Many countries here in Europe have opt-out systems for organ donors. You're a donor unless you specifically state that you don't want to be. I'm sure that's a policy Rick Perry would be happy with.

[Danke]

Sounds like China.

[John F Kennedy III]

In future they will just print organs. No need to harvest them.

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/03/anthony-atala-at-ted/all/1

Yep :)

[Voluntary Man]

Sounds like China.

except that there's no opt-out, in China.

[flightlesskiwi]

oh dear lord!!!

i am still creeped out that it's called "harvesting."

[donnay]

The problem is we are being ruled by eugenicist. They think we are useless eaters, and doctor have been brainwashed, as well as other medical practitioners have been schooled in eugenics.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNFoLH3R1ZY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNxnhZ15U1k&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTYzJXQRa9s&feature=related

[ZanZibar]

I was recently told that in some states you have to opt out of being a donor.

[libertybrewcity]

You guys are nuts. I work in an the cardiovascular operating room at a hospital and none of the doctors would consider taking the organ out of person unless the person was confirmed dead.

I'll tell you why...malpractice insurance. Doctors are getting sued every day for the stupidest reasons. The patients are actually making it out of the courts with settlements that can be in the millions. The largest settlement I've seen was for 52 million dollars and the doctor was not at fault.

Now, let's say the doctor does take a beating heart out of a person. The family may find out and WILL prove it actually happened, instantly destroying the doctor's family and ruining the rest of his career and life. He will be forever in debt.

Doctors know this and act accordingly.

[donnay]

You guys are nuts. I work in an the cardiovascular operating room at a hospital and none of the doctors would consider taking the organ out of person unless the person was confirmed dead.

I'll tell you why...malpractice insurance. Doctors are getting sued every day for the stupidest reasons. The patients are actually making it out of the courts with settlements that can be in the millions. The largest settlement I've seen was for 52 million dollars and the doctor was not at fault.

Now, let's say the doctor does take a beating heart out of a person. The family may find out and WILL prove it actually happened, instantly destroying the doctor's family and ruining the rest of his career and life. He will be forever in debt.

Doctors know this and act accordingly.

Denver Coroner Rules “Homicide” in Organ-Donor Case

DENVER, Colorado, October 12, 2004 (CWNews.com/LifeSiteNews.com) - A Colorado coroner has ruled that a hospital removed vital organs from a donor before he died, and therefore his death was a homicide. The ruling raises serious questions about the definition of “brain death” that is used in organ-transplant cases.

Mark Young, the coroner of Montrose County, Colorado, said that two hospitals—Montrose Memorial and St. Mary’s—failed to follow “accepted medical standards” to determine that William Rardin was actually dead. Rardin, who had been declared “brain dead” after he shot himself in September, was a registered organ donor. His liver, kidneys, and pancreas were removed surgically from his body for transplantation.

But Young, said that Rardin was still alive when the organs were removed. The coroner emphasized that he was not opposed to organ transplants, and was a registered donor himself. “But I want to be dead first,” he said. Young said that he did not expect the case to produce criminal charges. Instead, he argued that medical officials should produce more reliable tests to determine that a patient is dead. He reported that in his own research on the issue, he was “finding that the standards vary from hospital to hospital in the metro region, and widely around the state.” Some ethicists have questioned the morality of organ transplants in general, because useful organs must be removed from donors whose bodies are still functioning. The debate over transplants hinges on the still not clearly settled definition of “brain death”.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2004/oct/04101208

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How Corrupt Governments Make a Killing on Human Organs

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/01/07/human-organ-trafficking-is-big-business-in-kosovo-china/

There is a lot of money in this black market...if you think for one minute the US is not involved, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

[Mini-Me]

Denver Coroner Rules “Homicide” in Organ-Donor Case

DENVER, Colorado, October 12, 2004 (CWNews.com/LifeSiteNews.com) - A Colorado coroner has ruled that a hospital removed vital organs from a donor before he died, and therefore his death was a homicide. The ruling raises serious questions about the definition of “brain death” that is used in organ-transplant cases.

Mark Young, the coroner of Montrose County, Colorado, said that two hospitals—Montrose Memorial and St. Mary’s—failed to follow “accepted medical standards” to determine that William Rardin was actually dead. Rardin, who had been declared “brain dead” after he shot himself in September, was a registered organ donor. His liver, kidneys, and pancreas were removed surgically from his body for transplantation.

But Young, said that Rardin was still alive when the organs were removed. The coroner emphasized that he was not opposed to organ transplants, and was a registered donor himself. “But I want to be dead first,” he said. Young said that he did not expect the case to produce criminal charges. Instead, he argued that medical officials should produce more reliable tests to determine that a patient is dead. He reported that in his own research on the issue, he was “finding that the standards vary from hospital to hospital in the metro region, and widely around the state.” Some ethicists have questioned the morality of organ transplants in general, because useful organs must be removed from donors whose bodies are still functioning. The debate over transplants hinges on the still not clearly settled definition of “brain death”.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2004/oct/04101208

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How Corrupt Governments Make a Killing on Human Organs

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/01/07/human-organ-trafficking-is-big-business-in-kosovo-china/

There is a lot of money in this black market...if you think for one minute the US is not involved, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

I want to be an organ donor, but the vultures are making me feel a bit uncomfortable.

[donnay]

I want to be an organ donor, but the vultures are making me feel a bit uncomfortable.

Then write out a living will and make sure you give copies to the people you trust to do the right thing in your honor. That may give you better comfort.

[Mini-Me]

Then write out a living will and make sure you give copies to the people you trust to do the right thing in your honor. That may give you better comfort.

I TRUST NO ONE.

;)

Seriously though, that's a good idea. I never realized you could add conditions to organ donation in your living will. Is there any precedent for that, where a living will has affected the organ donation process?

[donnay]

I TRUST NO ONE.

;)

Seriously though, that's a good idea. I never realized you could add conditions to organ donation in your living will. Is there any precedent for that, where a living will has affected the organ donation process?

Organ Donation Information & Registration

Most advance directives contain a section about organ donation where you can express your wishes as to whether or not you want to donate your organs upon your death. If your advance directive does not mention organ donation, you can write-in your wishes as to whether or not you want to donate your organs in the "comments" section of your document, or you can submit a separate letter of intent for organ donation (see below). Your family will ultimately decide whether or not to donate your organs. Being able to read your wishes about organ donation will make their decision-making much easier, and discussing your wishes with your family now is the best way to help them make this decision. If you do not yet have an advance directive, visit Advance Directive Forms, for more information on how to prepare your document. If you would like to submit a separate letter of intent for organ/tissue donation (whether you have an advance directive or not), click on the links below to download and print the letter. Then visit the "How to Register" page to learn how to submit you letter for registration. Letters of Intent for organ donation are registered in the same way advance directives are registered. Once your document is registered, you will receive labels for your driver's license and insurance card, and a wallet card indicating that you are registered.. You will receive an update letter each year, to confirm that your wishes have not changed, and to allow you to make any changes to your personal and emergency contact information. The date of this confirmation is listed on your wallet card. In this way, there will be no doubt as to whether the letter of intent still reflects your current wishes.

Read more: http://www.uslivingwillregistry.com/organdonation.shtm

Another source:
http://www.alivingwill.org/organ-donation-on-your-living-will/