View Full Version : General Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days
RonPaulFanInGA
09-23-2011, 03:57 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Christie-president-Romney-Perry/2011/09/23/id/412133
Newsmax has learned that the effort to draft Christie culminated in a hush-hush powwow held in the past week with Christie and several notable Republican billionaires.
A source familiar with the meeting suggested that Christie seemed inclined to enter the race but said he needed more time.
my, I'm sure the discussion were based on a desire to restore the liberties of Americans, free markets, and end the wars.
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 04:13 PM
my, I'm sure the discussion were based on a desire to restore the liberties of Americans, free markets, and end the wars.
Well he can't really run under his record as governor.
I mean, "I got the legislature to cap the rate of INCREASE for the property tax rates of NJ citizens who already have some of the HIGHEST rates in the country." doesn't exactly have a good ring to it.
trey4sports
09-23-2011, 04:15 PM
sorry, but people are not going to elect someone that size. Just sayin'
RonPaulFanInGA
09-23-2011, 04:22 PM
sorry, but people are not going to elect someone that size. Just sayin'
William Taft.
Or are Americans more vain now? Kind of feel the overweight, balding and/or men with facial hair that made up many past Presidents could never win today with the American Idol-watching electorate.
Bruno
09-23-2011, 04:25 PM
Translation: Ron Paul rising, Perry falling, Romney uninspiring, TPTB calling all potentials to stop the surge of Paul
trey4sports
09-23-2011, 04:26 PM
William Taft.
Or are Americans more vain now? Kind of feel the overweight, balding and/or men with facial hair that made up many past Presidents could never win today with the American Idol-watching electorate.
i'm not making a value judgement about him, but it is what it is.
phill4paul
09-23-2011, 04:26 PM
Translation: Ron Paul rising, Perry falling, Romney uninspiring, TPTB calling all potentials to stop the surge of Paul
Yep.
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 04:28 PM
Translation: Ron Paul rising, Perry falling, Romney uninspiring, TPTB calling all potentials to stop the surge of Paul
I'm wondering if they are gonna time this so it happens the same time or right before/after Dr. Paul is in Trenton, NJ on monday receiving the endorsement from NJ's most conservative state house member.
what are we up to now, plan C?
InTradePro
09-23-2011, 04:30 PM
So do you think Pery will drop out as Christie comes in?
Will it get Palin to react?
Gonna be interesting!
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 04:32 PM
So do you think Pery will drop out as Christie comes in?
It sure is costing them a pretty penny playing this game of musical chairs. I mean at some point even their high $ donors have got to tire of it, right?
Sola_Fide
09-23-2011, 04:34 PM
It sure is costing them a pretty penny playing this game of musical chairs. I mean at some point even their high $ donors have got to tire of it, right?
You'd think.
Bruno
09-23-2011, 04:34 PM
Well, they better get their ground game going in the early states. Paul is way ahead of all the other candidates at this point, and organization is the key.
Btw - Was it Ghemmy that told them Christie had not one, but several billionaires backing him? :D
KramerDSP
09-23-2011, 04:35 PM
This kind of pisses me off. As soon as Chris Christie gets vetted, then Palin could enter the race, and before you know it, it's Iowa time. It seems clearly concerted to me. First the Herman Cain focus group by Luntz after the first debate. Then Bachmann's rise. As Bachmann fell, Perry entered. As Perry fell, Chris Christie (and likely Paul Ryan as his VEEP) enter the race. But this could indeed cause Palin to say "eff this" and back Paul.
libertybrewcity
09-23-2011, 04:37 PM
Paul/Christie 2012
I think they would make a great team. Christie seems very presidential and the establishment loves him. I think RP could make some inroads with him. Not to mention Christie has a gazillion Superpacs chasing him around.
Rothbardian Girl
09-23-2011, 04:38 PM
Haha, they really are pulling out all the stops now. The American obsession with appearance over substance (not that Christie has much substance to him, anyway) may actually work in our favor here. I would put any amount of money down that Obama would beat Christie any day. All it would really take for Christie to be on his way down, too, is to dust off the clips of him nearly having a coronary in the process of yelling at some mundanes.
EDIT: I hate to be a Negative Nancy, but I would *hate* to see Christie as Ron's VP. I certainly wouldn't be as enthusiastic about this campaign if that were to happen. Christie has already called Ron a "nut" on several occasions. That's enough to shut him down in my book.
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 04:39 PM
Paul/Christie 2012
I think they would make a great team. Christie seems very presidential and the establishment loves him. I think RP could make some inroads with him. Not to mention Christie has a gazillion Superpacs chasing him around.
Except for his whole patriot-act loving, bush brown nosing, 2nd amendment hating, civil-liberties crushing past, sure. great team. except for that stuff.
Sola_Fide
09-23-2011, 04:40 PM
Paul/Christie 2012
I think they would make a great team. Christie seems very presidential and the establishment loves him. I think RP could make some inroads with him. Not to mention Christie has a gazillion Superpacs chasing him around.
If Bill Kristol loves Chris Christie, you can probably assume the dude is a hardcore neocon.
speciallyblend
09-23-2011, 04:44 PM
I hope he jumps in. It will only help us. He is nothing more then status quo/gop establishment strawman number 4!! Paul/Johnson 2012 Legalize Freedom
speciallyblend
09-23-2011, 04:46 PM
Haha, they really are pulling out all the stops now. The American obsession with appearance over substance (not that Christie has much substance to him, anyway) may actually work in our favor here. I would put any amount of money down that Obama would beat Christie any day. All it would really take for Christie to be on his way down, too, is to dust off the clips of him nearly having a coronary in the process of yelling at some mundanes.
EDIT: I hate to be a Negative Nancy, but I would *hate* to see Christie as Ron's VP. I certainly wouldn't be as enthusiastic about this campaign if that were to happen. Christie has already called Ron a "nut" on several occasions. That's enough to shut him down in my book.
christie is establishment, so i doubt there is any chance he would be RP vp!!
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 04:49 PM
If Bill Kristol loves Chris Christie, you can probably assume the dude is a hardcore neocon.
He is a hardcore law&order kinda guy, the last thing we need right now with all the laws on the books. I'll give him credit that he took out a bunch of corrupt politicians in his time; but that is about it.
CaptUSA
09-23-2011, 04:57 PM
If Christie gets in, then I'm afraid it's game over. The establishment wins.
I'm sorry to say that, but I don't think there's a way for ANYBODY in the current field to take down Christie. The best we could hope for is enough delegates to help shape the agenda. I really hope this doesn't happen. I never thought it would. Christie will lose one of his biggest positives - that he says what he means. But the establishment is getting desperate. They may just have enough power to force Christie to burn all of his political capital in order to get rid of Obama.
I'm no big fan of Christie, but I'm not naive either. He has cultivated an impenetrable image. The masses are swayed by personality and imagery far more than principle.
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 05:02 PM
If Christie gets in, then I'm afraid it's game over. The establishment wins.
I'm sorry to say that, but I don't think there's a way for ANYBODY in the current field to take down Christie. The best we could hope for is enough delegates to help shape the agenda. I really hope this doesn't happen. I never thought it would. Christie will lose one of his biggest positives - that he says what he means. But the establishment is getting desperate. They may just have enough power to force Christie to burn all of his political capital in order to get rid of Obama.
I'm no big fan of Christie, but I'm not naive either. He has cultivated an impenetrable image. The masses are swayed by personality and imagery far more than principle.
He has his weakpoints. His 2nd amendment position for example won't sell.
speciallyblend
09-23-2011, 05:09 PM
If Christie gets in, then I'm afraid it's game over. The establishment wins.
I'm sorry to say that, but I don't think there's a way for ANYBODY in the current field to take down Christie. The best we could hope for is enough delegates to help shape the agenda. I really hope this doesn't happen. I never thought it would. Christie will lose one of his biggest positives - that he says what he means. But the establishment is getting desperate. They may just have enough power to force Christie to burn all of his political capital in order to get rid of Obama.
I'm no big fan of Christie, but I'm not naive either. He has cultivated an impenetrable image. The masses are swayed by personality and imagery far more than principle.
christie will actually take votes away from perry,romney and other staus quo, this will help ron rise, so let him enter!!
trey4sports
09-23-2011, 05:11 PM
If Christie gets in, then I'm afraid it's game over. The establishment wins.
I'm sorry to say that, but I don't think there's a way for ANYBODY in the current field to take down Christie. The best we could hope for is enough delegates to help shape the agenda. I really hope this doesn't happen. I never thought it would. Christie will lose one of his biggest positives - that he says what he means. But the establishment is getting desperate. They may just have enough power to force Christie to burn all of his political capital in order to get rid of Obama.
I'm no big fan of Christie, but I'm not naive either. He has cultivated an impenetrable image. The masses are swayed by personality and imagery far more than principle.
you're putting Christie on far too large of a pedestal.
Sola_Fide
09-23-2011, 05:12 PM
If Christie gets in, then I'm afraid it's game over. The establishment wins.
I'm sorry to say that, but I don't think there's a way for ANYBODY in the current field to take down Christie. The best we could hope for is enough delegates to help shape the agenda. I really hope this doesn't happen. I never thought it would. Christie will lose one of his biggest positives - that he says what he means. But the establishment is getting desperate. They may just have enough power to force Christie to burn all of his political capital in order to get rid of Obama.
I'm no big fan of Christie, but I'm not naive either. He has cultivated an impenetrable image. The masses are swayed by personality and imagery far more than principle.
This is what they said about Perry too bro.
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 05:19 PM
you're putting Christie on far too large of a pedestal.
well to be fair, he does require a big one......rimshot!
If Christie enters, I do think it'll cause a large rumbling. The Romney-Perry masses will have a 3rd candidate.
But like other's have said, his record as guv. is weak.
I believe Palin will stay out of it. She has to much power as a "kingmaker" in the GOP and among the new lite tea-party folks to be bothered with another possible thrashing as a candidate. I really think it's a "first bit, twice shy" type of deal with her.
LisaNY
09-23-2011, 05:26 PM
Some people give Christie way too much credit. He is flawed for sure, but I don't want to go there until we need to.
Rothbardian Girl
09-23-2011, 05:41 PM
I just don't believe Christie can sell himself to the mainstream American public. Sure, some angry pseudo-Tea Party folks will love his brash attitude, but he just comes off as an extreme douchebag to any sane person. I remember watching O'Really with my parents the one night and Bernie Goldberg was a featured guest... he was talking about Christie's overly confrontational attitude with the media, and how it made him less of a favorite.
Sure, I think we should gear ourselves up if Christie runs. We can't afford to be unprepared. But it's not really worth tearing our collective hair out over. I remember thinking Perry was a huge threat and now I'm pretty confident he'll put himself out of the running with his blunders. We'll have to see.
CaptUSA
09-23-2011, 06:14 PM
This is what they said about Perry too bro.
Christie is in a different class with these people. I mean, they'd accept Perry, but they LOOOOVE Christie. A Christie/Rubio ticket would own the Republican party. He could literally go out there and say he wants an all-gay, illegal immigrant military forcing girls to have abortions and these people would alter their viewpoints to find a way where they'd believe that'd be the best possible idea. He's bulletproof to these people.
And I know you think "I'm" putting him on too big of a pedestal, but it's not me. I just know how republicans feel about this guy. If he gets in, you'd see many other candidates drop out and lend their support to him. If he gets in, his fund-raising numbers go through the roof. If he gets in, I know that much of the work I've done with my grandmother and her friends is shot.
It won't be the end of the world, but I think it'd be the end of winning the nomination of the republican party. I'll still work my ass off to make sure the cause of liberty is not lost, but my expectations would change. My only hope is that Christie has a shred of decency hidden somewhere in the folds of his skin to not allow himself to be used by the establishment. I hope it's not too late.
LibertyEsq
09-23-2011, 06:44 PM
Luckily for us, Christie and Romney would be fighting for mostly the same voters. Christie isn't as popular with conservatives as some think, especially in New Jersey. Christie got what, 56 to 44 in the primary?
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 06:50 PM
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brushfire
09-23-2011, 06:59 PM
I dont see what's so bad about Chris Christie. In IL, I would not mind having him as governor. He's no Ron Paul, but he's no Perry/Romney either.
Still, my opinion of him would plummet if he ran. He has been very animate about no running, and if he changed his mind, I'd have to assume his price was met.
I doubt he's going to run. The media is just trying to increase the pressure... Its a sure sign of desperation.
Shane Harris
09-23-2011, 07:00 PM
sorry, but people are not going to elect someone that size. Just sayin'
it would be funny if he won just to see him see the look on michelle obama's face lol but i agree. its the same reason why rons age is a factor when it wouldnt have been 100 years ago.
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 07:07 PM
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brushfire
09-23-2011, 07:26 PM
What is so great about him, that is a better question. Seriously, for all his talk. his biggest accomplishment was getting the legislature to cap the rate of INCREASE for property taxes. But NJ already has some of the highest property tax rates in the country, so big whoopie, they can only increase them up to 2% a year. Now if he got them decreased, well I might be singing a different story.
Well, dont get me wrong. He's not my ideal politician. Just considering a few things about the guy:
1. Relative to the politicians in his state, the guy is very conservative
2. doesnt talk/behave like a typical politician. He doesnt hold punches but he appears to be fair in his town halls (the ones I've seen)
3. He freed Brian Aitken who would have been in prison for 7 years (although I'd rather he did a pardon)
4. took on the teacher union, and exposed them for what they were. Nobody in IL would challenge the teacher union.
5. canceled the big government transit project, citing that he did not have the funds (gotta have tough love in tough economic times)
6. The fact that he stood against pressure and said he was going to carry out his term as governor was pretty noble, imo.
7. capping property tax is a BIG deal - they have severe budget issues in NJ, so any tax constraints mean more austerity. NJ is a socialist state.
8. passing a budget with the hostile GA - that had to be like herding cats. In IL, they just raise taxes on everyone, and then borrow the difference.
I suppose I could go on, but what's the point? I would not vote for him as president if he ran. Even if Dr Paul was not running... What's most intriguing about the guy, to me anyway, is that he appears to have a spine. He's in the land of handouts, and he's actually telling people no... Other than that, I guess he could be an evil guy - I dunno. I can only judge him by what others say and write, and by what I see on youtube.
sailingaway
09-23-2011, 07:38 PM
Not happy about this. Even Mulshine, while saying he's no Paul, likes him a lot better than everyone else. We'd be fighting the meme that 'Ron's great but can he get elected' that the media spins so profusely.
As for me, he's way to watered down Paul-lite, and not even on base on a number of key issues, but I can see fringe supporters not coming our way because he has been built up so high... just as Perry was.... Just as Trump was....
I knew Perry would implode, his record is 180 degrees from how he was packaging himself, but Christie has so much hero worship from the babbling class, he doesn't have to say too much.
Well, we'll deal with it if and when we need to.
This kind of pisses me off. As soon as Chris Christie gets vetted, then Palin could enter the race, and before you know it, it's Iowa time. It seems clearly concerted to me. First the Herman Cain focus group by Luntz after the first debate. Then Bachmann's rise. As Bachmann fell, Perry entered. As Perry fell, Chris Christie (and likely Paul Ryan as his VEEP) enter the race. But this could indeed cause Palin to say "eff this" and back Paul.
Welcome to "psychopolitics".
brushfire
09-23-2011, 07:56 PM
Not happy about this. Even Mulshine, while saying he's no Paul, likes him a lot better than everyone else. We'd be fighting the meme that 'Ron's great but can he get elected' that the media spins so profusely.
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Well, we'll deal with it if and when we need to.
I think Dr Paul's day's of undetectability are over. Its candidates like Rick Perry who are unelectable. Also, Christie has made it very clear, by his word, that he'd not be running for president this election. If he does run, his word is worthless.
I think your last sentence sums it up quite well though - this guy is not in the race, so we really dont need to spend much time on him now.
specsaregood
09-23-2011, 08:04 PM
Well, dont get me wrong. He's not my ideal politician. Just considering a few things about the guy:
Don't get me wrong, he is a helluva lot better than the goldmansachs scum he replaced. a lot of the budget problems were a direct result of loans he got put on the state, via his wall street friends.
7. capping property tax is a BIG deal - they have severe budget issues in NJ, so any tax constraints mean more austerity.
Well he didn't cap the property tax, he got a cap on how much it can be increased every year. big difference. Especially since the rates are already so high, and they can still go up.
NJ is a socialist state.
Yes, well I live here, so this is not news to me. :)
HOLLYWOOD
09-23-2011, 08:25 PM
Christie gets the nomination... I can see it now: The Department of Delicatessens
Establishment Buddy of Rudy 9/11 Ghouliani
sorry, but people are not going to elect someone that size. Just sayin'
People did elect Taft though... but look how that ended, he He got stuck in the White House bathtub and had to have an oversized version brought in for his use.
Working Poor
09-23-2011, 08:28 PM
It sure is costing them a pretty penny playing this game of musical chairs. I mean at some point even their high $ donors have got to tire of it, right?
good I am glad I hope they run out of money on this effort.
I wouldn't mind him jumping in at all. Only thing that I don't like about him running is that in his first debate, the moderators will give him endless time and questions and then fill the remaining time letting Perry and Romney mud wrestle. Resulting Dr. Paul will get two questions instead of 3.
I like diluting the establishment field, but we need to whittle the field down so that we can get more air time in the debates.
AlexAmore
09-23-2011, 08:51 PM
I looked him up. I think the biggest problem with him is his extreme anti-gun position. Our guns are our last bastion of freedom.
"How bad is Christie’s record?
Begin with an anti-gun campaign ad he ran in 1995 during his state Assembly run. Christie’s campaign dishonestly referred to the semiautomatic firearms barred under the Clinton administration’s “crime bill” as “automatic assault weapons,” intentionally misrepresenting hunting, plinking, defense, and target rifles as military machine guns. He accused candidates holding the most common conservative Republican position of holding views that were “dangerous,” “crazy,” and “radical.” He stated that the view, shared by Anthony Bucco and Michael Patrick Carroll, that the law should be overturned was a “radical plan to legalize assault weapons.” Not only was Christie’s position identical to that of the nanny-state scolds of the left, it was also based upon carefully crafted lies designed to elicit fear.
No thanks to Christie, the federal ban expired in 2004, and the semi-automatic firearms covered under the law (and still illegal in New Jersey) are among the most popular sporting weapons sold in America.
As of 2009, Christie still supports the ban on semi-automatic rifles in New Jersey, and when he decided to run for governor, he chose to campaign to the left of Democrat John Corzine on gun-related issues."
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/chris-christie-is-anti-guns/
That's extremely scary to me and will disqualify him when it gets out much like everything about Perry did.
Brian4Liberty
09-23-2011, 08:54 PM
what are we up to now, plan C?
Who's to say that anything has not gone according to establishment plan A at this point?
brushfire
09-23-2011, 09:03 PM
I looked him up. I think the biggest problem with him is his extreme anti-gun position. Our guns are our last bastion of freedom.
If all that is true, Chris Christie is an EVIL SOB. I rescind anything nice I've ever said about the guy.... May his plump a$$ rot in he11
doctor jones
09-23-2011, 09:42 PM
My extremely conservative father from Texas who follows politics relatively closely says he's never heard of Chris Christie. I'm in NYC and get bombarded with Christie love but I think outside of the north east, Christie doesn't impress as much.
AgentOrange
09-23-2011, 10:05 PM
I live in the midwest and this thread is the first I've heard of Christie. Of course, I'd never heard of Perry either before the media started pimping him.
Chowder
09-24-2011, 01:00 AM
It would be beyond foolish for Christie to run for president, the guy hasn't completed his term of governor. Plus when you look at his resume he's been pretty much a RINO in his own right; Lobbyist and a lawyer (oh gee isn't that pretty much the former occupations that most of the RINOS have before they got elected? Working for the ones who bought and paid for them instead of the people?) Forget the teacher unions bs this guy is a straight up Neo-con.
However this video I've found is making me raise my eyebrows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMyDlYvRLqE&feature=player_embedded
AgentOrange
09-24-2011, 07:18 AM
It would be beyond foolish for Christie to run for president, the guy hasn't completed his term of governor. Plus when you look at his resume he's been pretty much a RINO in his own right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMyDlYvRLqE&feature=player_embedded
Let's not forget that Obama hadn't finished his first term as US senator, when he was elected president. Plus, the media hailed Obama as a moderate and cross-party worker, inspite of his *extremely* liberal record.
69360
09-24-2011, 09:10 AM
Christie is a loudmouth with no brain to mouth filter. He would insert his foot in his mouth within a week of declaring. His brand of politics won't play well outside of NJ/NY.
Besides wasn't he quoted as saying I'm not running, what do I have to do kill myself? He doesn't have the self control to play on a national stage, same problem that is hurting Perry right now.
Working Poor
09-24-2011, 09:53 AM
Christie is a loudmouth with no brain to mouth filter. He would insert his foot in his mouth within a week of declaring. His brand of politics won't play well outside of NJ/NY.
Besides wasn't he quoted as saying I'm not running, what do I have to do kill myself? He doesn't have the self control to play on a national stage, same problem that is hurting Perry right now.
But the media could declare him to be in the 3rd position knocking Ron down.
matt0611
09-24-2011, 10:07 AM
Lol the establishment is getting so desperate now, they're practically begging Christie to run because of Perry's horrendous debate performance :D
Like I predicted, Perry will fall. Our bigger concern is Romney IMO.
Christie is not going to run.
Rothbardian Girl
09-24-2011, 10:47 AM
If all that is true, Chris Christie is an EVIL SOB. I rescind anything nice I've ever said about the guy.... May his plump a$$ rot in he11
Glad he was able to convince you. :) Chris Christie is poison...
HOLLYWOOD
09-24-2011, 11:01 AM
HERE YAH GO! I wonder if BofA will be there... "We're here to help you..."
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/New-HPChief-ToHost-ChristieFundraiser/2011/09/24/id/412150
New HP Chief to Host Christie Fundraiser
Saturday, 24 Sep 2011 11:02 AM
By Gary Cohen
Hewlett-Packard chief Meg Whitman is throwing her political clout behind New Jersey Governor Chris Christie - a fellow Republican many in the party would like to aim higher than the statehouse in Trenton, according to a report in Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64309.html).
http://www.newsmax.com/getattachment/d35126b6-993e-4f79-a795-6d0ecabf39e6/whitman.jpg.aspx
According to an invitation politico got its hands on, Whitman next Wednesday will be hosting a fundraiser dinner at her California home. With Christie preparing for a run for re-election in 2013, the fundraiser with its hefty pricetag will be a welcome infusion to his warchest.
Politico points out only 15 couples are invited at a cost of $15 thousand per couple. For an additional $10 thousand any of the couples could be listed as a host of the event.
Christie has to this point said an emphatic "No" to any notion that he would throw his hat into the GOP presidential ring for 2012 but a considerable number among the Republican Party's upper echelon are hoping he will alter his course and aim for the White House.
Whitman grabbed the spotlight last year in her run for California governor and political insiders believe the upcoming fundraiser will shine some of that light on Christie whether he wants it or not.
Meg Whitman fundraising for Christie
By MAGGIE HABERMAN (http://www.politico.com/reporters/MaggieHaberman.html) | 9/23/11 8:52 PM EDT
Meg Whitman, the GOP gubernatorial nominee last year in California who was just appointed to the top slot at HP, is hosting a fundraising dinner honoring Chris Christie, according to an invitation.
The Sept. 28 event will be at Whitman's home, with $15,000-a-couple asking price and $25,000-a-couple to be listed as a host, the invitation says.
Continue Reading (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64309.html#continue)
The intimate event will be just 15 couples, and the money goes to the New Jersey GOP.
Christie is gearing up for a re-election in 2013 - assuming he sticks to his avowed "no" on running for president - and is trying to amass a warchest. But the trip to California also helps him build his national profile and national fundraising potential, at a time when Republican elites are still begging him to run.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64309.html#ixzz1YtGJJXYD
Romulus
09-24-2011, 11:06 AM
Except for his whole patriot-act loving, bush brown nosing, 2nd amendment hating, civil-liberties crushing past, sure. great team. except for that stuff.
Yeah, that's going to be a hard sell to the voters once that all comes out. Especially the anti 2nd stuff. Achilles heel right there.
PaulConventionWV
09-24-2011, 11:33 AM
This is what they said about Perry too bro.
Yes. Yes, they did. And look where Perry is headed now. Straight down.
PaulConventionWV
09-24-2011, 11:55 AM
Don't get me wrong, he is a helluva lot better than the goldmansachs scum he replaced. a lot of the budget problems were a direct result of loans he got put on the state, via his wall street friends.
Well he didn't cap the property tax, he got a cap on how much it can be increased every year. big difference. Especially since the rates are already so high, and they can still go up.
Yes, well I live here, so this is not news to me. :)
I don't think this is on a sliding scale. If he's establishment, then he'll support and grow the establishment, just like Bush and Obama. You should spend a lot more time investigating whether he would support the current administration and be a puppet for the elite than exactly how good his record is. My point is, his substance isn't in trying to evaluate whether or not what he did as governor was actually helpful. The substance comes from how he views the role of government. Candidates aren't part of the establishment because they legitimately think government is best for the American public. Candidates pushing for the establishment do so because they have something to gain from it, and they would have no qualms about simply occupying the white house while the establishment speaks through him/her and guides policy. What you truly need to be concerned about is whether he will fight the establishment or bend to its desires. He must stand strong on abolishing the fed and ending the wars, or else he's an establishment candidate, and establishment candidates are all the same. If Christie gets elected and turns into an establishment shill, he's the same as any other establishment candidate. His record becomes irrelevant if we realize he's in this for the establishment.
And knowing that this discussion occurred in a smoke-filled room with several billionaires, it's not looking good for Christie.
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