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bobbyw24
09-21-2011, 10:25 AM
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) says he would consider putting the liberal congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) in his Cabinet if he wins the presidency in 2012.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/3191/thumbs/s-DENNIS-KUCINICH-AND-RON-PAUL-large.jpg

Paul said his libertarian political philosophy helps him connect with some on the far left — including Kucinich, who shares Paul’s general anti-war stance.

Paul joked that if he brought the Ohio congressman aboard in his administration, he might have to create a "Department of Peace."

"You've got to give credit to people who think," he said.

"Being pragmatic is about forming coalitions," Paul said at a breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor. "I probably work with coalitions better than the other candidates. I don't think I've said anything negative here about the president."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/182939-ron-paul-says-hed-consider-putting-dennis-kucinich-in-his-cabinet

LawnWake
09-21-2011, 10:49 AM
This is good, but I would've held out until after the nomination to say it. 'RON PAUL, LIBERTARIAN OR LIBERAL?'.

TexMac
09-21-2011, 10:56 AM
This is great information to share with antiwar democrats. Sign 'em up as Blue Republicans!

fisharmor
09-21-2011, 10:58 AM
As long as he puts a broomstick in the door handles and leaves him there, I'm ok with this.

orenbus
09-21-2011, 11:00 AM
He's trying to break through the left-right paradigm that restricts people's choices to party or political leaning and instead create a coalition with the guys on the other side that have seen Obama make promises he did not keep. Those that agree that there should be a vote on a declaration to go to war, those that agree that we should not promote freedom through the barrel of a gun, those that would agree with Ron Paul on I would say at least 50% of the issues.

Being a former lefty I applaud Ron Paul for doing this, this probably won't surprise some of you but it's clear the most devoted and fanatical advocates and activists seem to come from the far edges of what is considered our political landscape. These are the 20% of people that will be the first to take risks and make lots of noise for a particular candidate and more importantly the people that will go out there in the bitter cold when no other supporter will to go door to door, make phone calls, hang signs and actually talk to people about their candidate.

We need more people like this so that the 80% of the supporters can sit at home watching the polls come in while waiting for election day and enjoy the political videos that show those 20% actually doing something.

AFPVet
09-21-2011, 11:03 AM
Ron's really going to bring in the apolitical and undecided voters to the GOP. This is good!

Aratus
09-21-2011, 11:06 AM
it is a time honor'd custom to have one cabinet member from another party.

traviskicks
09-21-2011, 11:08 AM
Isn't Kucinich a self described socialist? I'm not sure this is going to get Paul any points with GOP primary voters....

sailingaway
09-21-2011, 11:11 AM
Isn't Kucinich a self described socialist? I'm not sure this is going to get Paul any points with GOP primary voters....

No, that is Sanders.

Romulus
09-21-2011, 11:11 AM
Plus he's outspoken against the Fed, so that's a plus.

sailingaway
09-21-2011, 11:12 AM
Plus he's outspoken against the Fed, so that's a plus.

He's a greenbacker, though.

I expect people directly asked about this, so he responded. I don't think Ron is forming his cabinet yet.

JackieDan
09-21-2011, 11:14 AM
Good news. Although I was having huge problems with Kucinich voting for Obamacare. Anyways, I think he regretted his position on that one.

specsaregood
09-21-2011, 11:16 AM
He's a greenbacker, though.
I expect people directly asked about this, so he responded. I don't think Ron is forming his cabinet yet.

And let's not forget that he "joked" about it.

jmdrake
09-21-2011, 11:16 AM
Isn't Kucinich a self described socialist? I'm not sure this is going to get Paul any points with GOP primary voters....

Last night we had a local strategy meeting to talk about our canvassing. Of course we were sticking to the "Focus on likely republican voters" mantra. Then one person brought up that in his neighborhood he knows a lot of people that voted for Obama in 2008, but are leaning Ron Paul. Apparently these "young trendies" are getting older and wiser and realize the effect Obama is having on their net worth. Also they are disappointed that Obama didn't keep his promises on foreign policy. Further I found out that our screening of "For Liberty" got put on the local progressive community calendar. That's huge considering how much the leader of this particular group hated on Ron Paul in 2008. I live in an open primary state, so they can vote for Paul without any extra paperwork. We don't have to sell independents and disgruntled dems on Ron Paul's foreign policy, just his economics. Frankly I think that's an easier sell than trying to reach some "teocons" on foreign policy.

lucky_bg
09-21-2011, 11:17 AM
And yet Paul continues to struggle in the polls, hovering around 9 to 10 percent of Republican primary voters. While his showing is consistently better than some candidates who have garnered more attention, he is unsure of how he will propel himself to the top of the field.

"The supporters believe it's possible, I don't know," Paul said. "There's no reason to rule out the fact this can explode. Something has to give here."

Paul attributed some of the problem to the media, arguing that significant campaign milestones and rallies were underreported. And he acknowledged that as a candidate, he is responsible for delivering his message in a way that voters can appreciate.

"It partially is my fault, and I think that's what I work on most, refining my message," Paul said.

But Paul rejected the idea that he should adopt a more pragmatic or conciliatory strategy that would enable him to either grow his base among those skeptical of some of his views — particularly in terms of non-interventionist foreign policy — or achieve smaller pieces of his domestic policy goals legislatively.

"If you give up your principles, you're not being very pragmatic," Paul said.



Can't wait next debate!

HOLLYWOOD
09-21-2011, 11:18 AM
THIS statement by RP... AND Ron Paul's gather of 4 presidential candidates in 2008 (McKinney, Nader, Baldwin, and Barr) Constitution Party, the Green Party, Independent Party and the Libertarian Party candidates of 2008 to agreed to come together and support major principles. Obama and Dubya have divided the Duopoly further apart.

PROVES

Ron Paul can get different parties to work together on main principles and issues in the country.... remember the that FAUX question in the New Hampshire debate?

emr1028
09-21-2011, 11:21 AM
Dennis Kucinich for Secretary of State!

orenbus
09-21-2011, 11:21 AM
Good news. Although I was having huge problems with Kucinich voting for Obamacare. Anyways, I think he regretted his position on that one.

Hmm from my understanding he voted against Obamacare.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QTa3cbU9XU

Although his reasoning for voting against it is driven more from being against Cronyism and government working with Corporations for the benefit of the companies.

Pizzo
09-21-2011, 11:24 AM
Hmm from my understanding he voted against Obamacare.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QTa3cbU9XU

Although his reasoning for voting against it is driven more from being against Cronyism and government working with Corporations for the benefit of the companies.

If I'm not mistaken, he was against it before he was for it.

specsaregood
09-21-2011, 11:25 AM
Hmm from my understanding he voted against Obamacare.
Although his reasoning for voting against it is driven more from being against Cronyism and government working with Corporations for the benefit of the companies.

Nope, he went on a flight with Obama and changed his mind. He folded. The fact his original objections were so good is what makes his folding that much more bad and disappointing. If he hadn't folded, it might not have passed.

erowe1
09-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Oh for crying out loud. What is going on here? RP better have some kind of a trick up his sleeve coming out with some ridiculous idea like this.

erowe1
09-21-2011, 11:27 AM
Hmm from my understanding he voted against Obamacare.
Incorrect.

specsaregood
09-21-2011, 11:27 AM
Oh for crying out loud. What is going on here? RP better have some kind of a trick up his sleeve coming out with some ridiculous idea like this.

He said he would "consider" it. I'm sure he would "consider" most anybody, not that he is planning on it. then he turned it into a joke.

talkingpointes
09-21-2011, 11:29 AM
I would applaud this choice. Ron Paul is making a statement like some have mentioned before that it is something to transcend the political landscape and is bypassing the connected and corrupted. Kucinnich is someone I would of voted for when I was 18 -- but I have changed some since then. I hold him in the same regard as I do to Ron Paul in terms of honesty. Have you guys seen how the DNC treats him ? It's the same shit Ron puts up with. I will say though, when he supported Obama in 08', in the manner he did, I was extremely disappointed.

MRoCkEd
09-21-2011, 11:34 AM
Okay... But this is not something that helps in a GOP primary. It's up on Drudge too.

sailingaway
09-21-2011, 11:35 AM
Oh for crying out loud. What is going on here? RP better have some kind of a trick up his sleeve coming out with some ridiculous idea like this.

I'm sure he was asked if he'd put democrats in, and mentioned Kucinich. A dept of peace was a joke, though. It isn't in the Constitution and can you really imagine Ron STARTING a new department not in the Constitution? He was being light, not announcing a specific intention.

Unfortunately, Drudge chose THIS article to link. :(

sailingaway
09-21-2011, 11:37 AM
I would applaud this choice. Ron Paul is making a statement like some have mentioned before that it is something to transcend the political landscape and is bypassing the connected and corrupted. Kucinnich is someone I would of voted for when I was 18 -- but I have changed some since then. I hold him in the same regard as I do to Ron Paul in terms of honesty. Have you guys seen how the DNC treats him ? It's the same shit Ron puts up with. I will say though, when he supported Obama in 08', in the manner he did, I was extremely disappointed.

Not to mention giving up on his spearheading the progressive drive for single payer after being taken for a flight on Airforce I. I lost a bunch of respect for him at that point.

CaptUSA
09-21-2011, 11:40 AM
Dammit! It's up on Drudge.

RonPaulFanInGA
09-21-2011, 11:42 AM
Ron's really going to bring in the apolitical and undecided voters to the GOP. This is good!

Appealing to the left and crossing your fingers they'll cross over for you in significant numbers isn't a better strategy than simply trying to appeal to conservatives and Republicans.

Kucinich is terrible.

Aratus
09-21-2011, 11:54 AM
jimmy carter just leaped on the mitt romney moxie bandwagon.

dennis kucinich pulls at jimmy carter people and is a counter move.

bobby jindal is backing rick perry as the oval office is furious at guv*rick.

Wren
09-21-2011, 12:02 PM
Why does RP always shoot himself in the foot when he's gaining traction? :(

kylejack
09-21-2011, 12:03 PM
Rename Defense Department to Peace Department (it used to be called the War Department) and appoint him. Sounds good to me.

erowe1
09-21-2011, 12:05 PM
This doesn't need to hurt him.

We just need to play it down and publicly forget he ever said it.

Let the people who are working on getting crossover votes use this quote in whatever they do behind the scenes. Hopefully it helps them.

Meanwhile, the number of actual Republicans who remember this and care about it in a few months will be tiny.

sailingaway
09-21-2011, 12:06 PM
Why does RP always shoot himself in the foot when he's gaining traction? :(

there's a full tape somewhere. I'm betting he was specifically asked, and all he said is he'd consider it.

sailingaway
09-21-2011, 12:06 PM
This doesn't need to hurt him.

We just need to play it down and publicly forget he ever said it.

Let the people who are working on getting crossover votes use this quote.

Meanwhile, the number of actual Republicans who remember this and care about it in a few months will be tiny.

Yeah, but it's on Drudgereport.

erowe1
09-21-2011, 12:10 PM
Yeah, but it's on Drudgereport.

But it's not the kind of thing anybody but political wonks will remember months from now. The Paul haters will probably pass it back and forth to each other in their circle jerks. But they're just looking for anti-Paul stuff anyway.

We just have to make sure that the standard line around here is that it was an off-the-cuff joke, and let it become a meme. The folks who can use it to Paul's benefit might be able to get some mileage out of it, but they just need to be subtle about how they do it.

V3n
09-21-2011, 12:14 PM
He's showing he can reach across the aisle and work with Democrats to get things done. A major complaint among people right now is that Washington isn't getting anything done because they can't agree with each other (enter: the Super Committee). This is a plus, even on Drudge.

erowe1
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM
He's showing he can reach across the aisle and work with Democrats to get things done. A major complaint among people right now is that Washington isn't getting anything done because they can't agree with each other (enter: the Super Committee). This is a plus, even on Drudge.

It's not a plus when the challenge at hand is winning the Republican nomination.

hard@work
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM
Someone who actually gives a crap about programs will need to administer them as they are restructured.

talkingpointes
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM
But it's not the kind of thing anybody but political wonks will remember months from now. The Paul haters will probably pass it back and forth to each other in their circle jerks. But they're just looking for anti-Paul stuff anyway.

We just have to make sure that the standard line around here is that it was an off-the-cuff joke, and let it become a meme. The folks who can use it to Paul's benefit might be able to get some mileage out of it, but they just need to be subtle about how they do it.

I don't think there needs to be a standard line about anything. This can be a positive thing. The public as a whole probably has no idea who Kucinich is, he isn't thrown around like Frank, Reid, Boxer, and Pelosi. I take it you were in a furious rage over Paul coming together with *cue eerie sounds* Bernie Sanders and Barney Frank. The American public loves compromise and and bi-partisanship so much anyways they're willing to let it swallow the entire system. I understand in this case it's different as a gesture and not actually doing something concrete. I wouldn't conceal the fact Ron is willing to work with other honest men.

erowe1
09-21-2011, 12:23 PM
I don't think there needs to be a standard line about anything. This can be a positive thing.
It can be a positive thing for certain very specific potential crossover supporters.

If it becomes something that is widely associated with Ron Paul among likely Republican primary voters, that positive will be wiped out 100 times over by how much of a negative thing it would be.


I wouldn't conceal the fact Ron is willing to work with other honest men.
Kucinich isn't an honest man.

Chieppa1
09-21-2011, 12:23 PM
I swear if Ron came up tomorrow and said he'd nuke Iran, some people here would cheer him since it would "help with Republican voters".

HOLLYWOOD
09-21-2011, 12:24 PM
Dammit! It's up on Drudge.Well Then... when FAUX NEWS hosts the next GOP presidential debate, Ron can bring up the rhetoric of what FOX asked him about how he can reach across the isle, because nothing will get done with a one party line president.

Ron can sand bag the Fascist Elite organization into like, "Look, you asked about how anything will get done in this country with the parties greatly divided... I reached out to those that protect the people of America from government fraud and special interest control. I have a history of reaching out to all sorts to leaders representing many different views and creeds, persuasions, parties, etc.(2008 I brought TOGETHER the Green Party, Independent party, Libertarian Party, and Constitution Party, along with me representing the Republican Party, together with 4 main policies which seriously effect the nations decline). The main focus are the core values, honesty and integrity in representing the best interest of the people, Constitution, and country. The power grab party divide today are these same old establishment politicians and the special interest they represent first."

specsaregood
09-21-2011, 12:28 PM
I swear if Ron came up tomorrow and said he'd nuke Iran, some people here would cheer him since it would "help with Republican voters".

I'm sure he would consider nuking Iran if they attacked us first with a similarly deadly weapon and congress declared war.

erowe1
09-21-2011, 12:31 PM
Well Then... when FAUX NEWS hosts the next GOP presidential debate, Ron can bring up the rhetoric of what FOX asked him about how he can reach across the isle, because nothing will get done with a one party line president.

Ron can sand bag the Fascist Elite organization into like, "Look, you asked about how anything will get done in this country with the parties greatly divided... I reached out to those that protect the people of America from government fraud and special interest control. I have a history of reaching out to all sorts to leaders representing many different views and creeds, persuasions, parties, etc.(2008 I brought TOGETHER the Green Party, Independent party, Libertarian Party, and Constitution Party, along with me representing the Republican Party, together with 4 main policies which seriously effect the nations decline). The main focus are the core values, honesty and integrity in representing the best interest of the people, Constitution, and country. The power grab party divide today are these same old establishment politicians and the special interest they represent first."

No way. If he decides to act like he honestly meant this as a good idea, then he might as well just drop out of the race.

Birdlady
09-21-2011, 12:37 PM
Paul attributed some of the problem to the media, arguing that significant campaign milestones and rallies were underreported. And he acknowledged that as a candidate, he is responsible for delivering his message in a way that voters can appreciate.

"It partially is my fault, and I think that's what I work on most, refining my message," Paul said.

Take that some of you naysayers who think we wanted him to change his message. Even RP himself knows what we were trying to say. This sounds so promising to me!:D

RonPaulFanInGA
09-21-2011, 12:50 PM
there's a full tape somewhere. I'm betting he was specifically asked, and all he said is he'd consider it.

That still isn't good. The correct response to such a question is: "nope!" If Perry was asked, wouldn't you think he'd respond with a 'no' rather than 'I'll consider it'?

JackieDan
09-21-2011, 12:58 PM
Hmm from my understanding he voted against Obamacare.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QTa3cbU9XU

Although his reasoning for voting against it is driven more from being against Cronyism and government working with Corporations for the benefit of the companies.

He then changed his mind and voted for it.. Sad story but true..

ZanZibar
09-21-2011, 01:02 PM
Oh for crying out loud. What is going on here? RP better have some kind of a trick up his sleeve coming out with some ridiculous idea like this.It's likely the media misquoted him or took his statements out of context. Don't trust what they put out, they have an agenda.

HOLLYWOOD
09-21-2011, 01:03 PM
No way. If he decides to act like he honestly meant this as a good idea, then he might as well just drop out of the race.

This will be an issue and it will be led up in the media propaganda and then in the debate(s) by the moderators about Kucinich. I'm sure Ron and Co. have their plan on a rebuttal... how FOX/<Insert Media Clown> time it and word the attack against Ron in the questioning will be the only differences in steering the public.

matt0611
09-21-2011, 01:06 PM
He then changed his mind and voted for it.. Sad story but true..

Yeah, he got a "special ride" on Airforce One to convince him.

erowe1
09-21-2011, 01:08 PM
This will be an issue and it will be led up in the media propaganda and then in the debate(s) by the moderators about Kucinich. I'm sure Ron and Co. have their plan on a rebuttal... how FOX/<Insert Media Clown> time it and word the attack against Ron in the questioning will be the only differences in steering the public.

When it comes up, he should play up the angle that it was just a light-hearted off-the-cuff remark. Then he can throw in a joke about how maybe he could give Kucinich a meaningless job to get him out of Congress, or something.

anaconda
09-21-2011, 01:17 PM
Kucinich would crush as Secreatry of State or Secretary of Defense.

specsaregood
09-21-2011, 01:19 PM
Then he can throw in a joke about how maybe he could give Kucinich a meaningless job to get him out of Congress, or something.

Of course it looks like Kucinich is on his way out of congress this go around anyways. they are gonna redistrict him out, only way he stays is if he moves to another state.

parocks
09-21-2011, 01:33 PM
Last night we had a local strategy meeting to talk about our canvassing. Of course we were sticking to the "Focus on likely republican voters" mantra. Then one person brought up that in his neighborhood he knows a lot of people that voted for Obama in 2008, but are leaning Ron Paul. Apparently these "young trendies" are getting older and wiser and realize the effect Obama is having on their net worth. Also they are disappointed that Obama didn't keep his promises on foreign policy. Further I found out that our screening of "For Liberty" got put on the local progressive community calendar. That's huge considering how much the leader of this particular group hated on Ron Paul in 2008. I live in an open primary state, so they can vote for Paul without any extra paperwork. We don't have to sell independents and disgruntled dems on Ron Paul's foreign policy, just his economics. Frankly I think that's an easier sell than trying to reach some "teocons" on foreign policy.

In your state, you have to persuade Democrats that Ron Paul is superior to Rick Perry.
And you have to persuade Republicans that Ron Paul is superior to Rick Perry.

As a meetup group, Ron Paul talking about how much he likes DK pushes you to go get 18-29.

Much of what Ron Paul has been saying the last couple of months is not going to appeal as strongly to traditional Republicans.

What your meetup group should be doing is growing the meetup group. Events that allow you to have more bodies to go canvassing when canvassing is really needed.
Much closer to the election.

parocks
09-21-2011, 01:38 PM
Appealing to the left and crossing your fingers they'll cross over for you in significant numbers isn't a better strategy than simply trying to appeal to conservatives and Republicans.

Kucinich is terrible.

Is there anything grassroots can do, though? Ron Paul has made cutting defense spending massively a centerpiece of his campaign. What can grassroots do?

Ron Paul seems to delight is pissing off Conservative Republicans. That makes it much much harder for us to get Conservative Republicans. What can grassroots do?

erowe1
09-21-2011, 01:51 PM
Is there anything grassroots can do, though? Ron Paul has made cutting defense spending massively a centerpiece of his campaign. What can grassroots do?

Ron Paul seems to delight is pissing off Conservative Republicans. That makes it much much harder for us to get Conservative Republicans. What can grassroots do?

I don't think he said this to annoy conservative Republicans. He's the most conservative one running by far. I think it was just a flippant remark that he made without thinking about how some people would take it seriously.

sailingaway
09-21-2011, 01:53 PM
why do people keep bumping this?

libertybrewcity
09-21-2011, 01:58 PM
I don't think it was a good idea to joke about this....

This is going to scare MANY conservatives and Republicans...

I thought introducing the marijuana bill was fine..i got over it, but this is not something we need...

Ron should have been talking about Chris Christie or Rubio or some conservative..

jasonxe
09-21-2011, 02:05 PM
why do people keep bumping this?

slow news week.

I don't see the problem. They agree on foreign policy and some on domestic. They disagree greatly on economic policy. Dennis is not afraid to call out his own party and will add discussion with Paul from time to time. I like the small balance instead of having a bunch of yes men.

mit26chell
09-21-2011, 03:20 PM
Paul spokesmen Jesse Benton later said the remark was a joke, and said Kucinich is too ideologically different from Paul to be a candidate for a Cabinet spot.

"Ron works with Dennis on some coalition issues, and respects him as a thinker, but was joking and would not consider him for Cabinet position. He made clear he did not want to name Cabinet officials," Benton said.

Tod
09-21-2011, 03:27 PM
I don't know....there have to be a lot of much better options than Dennis K. I remember when he was the mayor of Cleveland and I don't think he did a very good job at that; I wouldn't trust him to do any better in a Paul Cabinet. The only thing he brings to the table is an anti-war stance, which is fine but not enough.



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jmdrake
09-21-2011, 03:42 PM
In your state, you have to persuade Democrats that Ron Paul is superior to Rick Perry.
And you have to persuade Republicans that Ron Paul is superior to Rick Perry.

As a meetup group, Ron Paul talking about how much he likes DK pushes you to go get 18-29.

Much of what Ron Paul has been saying the last couple of months is not going to appeal as strongly to traditional Republicans.

What your meetup group should be doing is growing the meetup group. Events that allow you to have more bodies to go canvassing when canvassing is really needed.
Much closer to the election.

:rolleyes: I love how people want to tell other people what they should be doing.

Edit: And what do you call screening "For Liberty" other than an event designed to grow the Meetup?

parocks
09-21-2011, 05:01 PM
:rolleyes: I love how people want to tell other people what they should be doing.

Edit: And what do you call screening "For Liberty" other than an event designed to grow the Meetup?


Oh, yeah, I am all about telling people what they should be doing. No sarcasm there actually. I do like to do that.

I wasn't trying to communicate that you were doing anything wrong though. It might've seemed that way. Many replies to posts are seen as in favor, or against. I think my post to you was in general agreement with what you were saying. But it could've been worded in such a way to register a more clear agreement.

One of your points was that you are having an easier time getting people who are not considered Likely Republican Primary Voters. And I think you are on the right track with that, in part because Ron Paul is saying a lot of things that people that who are not LRPV do like.

If I mention that you should be growing the meetup group, I'm not necessarily saying that what you're doing right now isn't doing that. I could just add "good job and keep up the good work", because I don't think I was trying to be critical.

ONUV
09-21-2011, 09:45 PM
This isn't helping Paul win the Republican nomination. People usually don't hear/see the explanation behind the quote.

Fredom101
09-21-2011, 10:01 PM
Nope, he went on a flight with Obama and changed his mind. He folded. The fact his original objections were so good is what makes his folding that much more bad and disappointing. If he hadn't folded, it might not have passed.

He also endorsed Obama in 08 after running against him. :(

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
09-21-2011, 10:11 PM
I seem to recall during the last election cycle that one of the debates featured the moderator asking the candidates who they would appoint to their cabinet from other parties. I am not sure that was the exact question but it was something alone those lines. If memory serves, Ron said "Kucinich" Now of course we did not win the election but I also never ran into a single person during the last campaign or this one who told me that the reason they would not vote for Ron Paul had something to do with him showing some respect for Kucinich and his stand on certain issues. So I just don't think this is as big of a deal as many are making it out to be. Is it going to pull in conservatives? No but it will also not drive masses of them away.

sailingaway
09-21-2011, 10:14 PM
I seem to recall during the last election cycle that one of the debates featured the moderator asking the candidates who they would appoint to their cabinet from other parties. I am not sure that was the exact question but it was something alone those lines. If memory serves, Ron said "Kucinich" Now of course we did not win the election but I also never ran into a single person during the last campaign or this one who told me that the reason they would not vote for Ron Paul had something to do with him showing some respect for Kucinich and his stand on certain issues. So I just don't think this is as big of a deal as many are making it out to be. Is it going to pull in conservatives? No but it will also not drive masses of them away.

conservative blogs including Newsmax are covering it.

Why don't we stop bumping this?

silentshout
09-21-2011, 10:28 PM
I think that's awesome. :)

jason43
09-21-2011, 10:36 PM
There is nothing wrong with putting people who disagree with you in your cabinet. If anything, it allows you to hear criticism and develop a response before you announce something. Dissent and conflicting opinion should be encouraged. Being able to pick the brain of someone who disagrees with you is not a bad thing. Its not like if Kusinich is there its going to all of a sudden change Pauls mind about economics... Lincoln put political enemies in his cabinet, to hear all their opinions before he made policy, its not a bad approach if you think about it.

This is much ado about nothing. I'd place a bet it becomes a debate question tomorrow.

jmdrake
09-22-2011, 02:15 PM
Oh, yeah, I am all about telling people what they should be doing. No sarcasm there actually. I do like to do that.

I wasn't trying to communicate that you were doing anything wrong though. It might've seemed that way. Many replies to posts are seen as in favor, or against. I think my post to you was in general agreement with what you were saying. But it could've been worded in such a way to register a more clear agreement.

One of your points was that you are having an easier time getting people who are not considered Likely Republican Primary Voters. And I think you are on the right track with that, in part because Ron Paul is saying a lot of things that people that who are not LRPV do like.

If I mention that you should be growing the meetup group, I'm not necessarily saying that what you're doing right now isn't doing that. I could just add "good job and keep up the good work", because I don't think I was trying to be critical.

My bad for misreading. And I agree all the meetups need to grow. And we need to get folks motivated to do stuff. I'm glad Ron's rolled out the "phone from home" thing as early as he has. Now let's win this thing!

tangent4ronpaul
09-22-2011, 02:20 PM
RE: MOD clarification. Ron and Dennis are good friends and often have lunch together. They agree on many things and Dennis has become a Constitution thumper because of Ron, despite some of his socialist leanings. I have no doubt that Ron would seriously consider putting Dennis in his cabinet.

Disclosure: I campaigned for DK 2 campaign cycles ago.

kylejack
09-22-2011, 02:24 PM
RE: MOD clarification. Ron and Dennis are good friends and often have lunch together. They agree on many things and Dennis has become a Constitution thumper because of Ron, despite some of his socialist leanings. I have no doubt that Ron would seriously consider putting Dennis in his cabinet.

Disclosure: I campaigned for DK 2 campaign cycles ago.
Agreed. Benton revisionism.

phill4paul
09-22-2011, 02:54 PM
RE: MOD clarification. Ron and Dennis are good friends and often have lunch together. They agree on many things and Dennis has become a Constitution thumper because of Ron, despite some of his socialist leanings. I have no doubt that Ron would seriously consider putting Dennis in his cabinet.

Disclosure: I campaigned for DK 2 campaign cycles ago.

^^^This


Agreed. Benton revisionism.

^^^and this.

On matters of foreign intervention and the Federal Reserve I believe Kucinich could hold a position in which he could shine. Either the State Dept. or the Treasury.

LibertyEagle
09-22-2011, 03:00 PM
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Aratus
09-22-2011, 03:02 PM
he might be hinting ONE of the possibly lesser cabinet dep'ts may go to either Democrat or an ex-Democrat.

FSP-Rebel
09-22-2011, 04:21 PM
Since this was on Drudge today, Limbaugh picked it up and reported it as fact while belittling as usual. Any other time he wouldn't even mention Ron. He then went on to say (in the very next breath) how Huntsman surged to 3rd in NH and how Hunstman doesn't want to win even though this is a great poll position for him. Note he blasts Ron on one hand, then skips over his 2nd place NH polling to mention Huntsman's surge. Either way, this is pure desperation on Rush's hands since we're going big time on the latest ad buy. Good luck to the neocons if they try to bash Ron's support for veterans.

Xenophage
09-22-2011, 05:27 PM
Not only is Kucinich a horrible choice for any cabinet position, but Ron is acting like he wants to lose the election here.

Seriously. Maybe he just wants to retire from politics, but he wants to give the 'educational campaign' one last go.

I'm tired of the educational campaigns and the self-destructing. The LP has been doing it for decades. I want a real campaign. Very disheartened by Ron's comments.