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Wiserphil
09-18-2011, 08:12 PM
WHAT HAS RON PAUL ACCOMPLISHED?

Apparently, Ron Paul wasted no time jumping into the pool of candidates, running for the Presidency 2012. As I understand it, this is his third time running for president, and has been elected 12 terms as Congressman from Texas. This means he has conducted 15 political campaigns.

My question what has he accomplished? He has held a seat of power in Congress 24 years, while this country has been on a fast track slide into Socialism. What has he done to stop it or even slow it down?

No need to remind me he has an ongoing campaign to audit the feds. A farfetched notion, that takes up time and space and goes no place. Anyway, the feds are already audited. Seems to me if anyone really wanted to change that government boondoggle in effect since 1913, it would be more logical to change the laws to do away with it. This country thrived and did well before it was established.

What is his voting record? Is there anything in it, that presents any evidence Congressman Paul has done anything of any significance to salvage the Principles upon which this nation was founded?

There are 535 congressmen elected to occupy a seat of power in Washington. These representatives took an oath to uphold the Constitution. All of them draw substantial salaries, and most, if not all, maintain offices in Washington and their home state with staff. They all have travel expenses and other perks of expense. Occupying this seat of power for 24 years, conducting all the political campaigns, must have cost the citizens of this country a lot of money.

What has Congressman Paul done to curtail the trillions of indebteness, as one of the 535 who have deliberately placed this once great nation this far in debt? What has he done for victory of the unwinnable wars the Congress has backed, lo these many years?

The school system in this country has an annual cost of 100 billion, and does not educate, instead indoctrinates young children into the tenets of Socialism. What has Congressman Paul done in past 24 years to effect any change in this system? Just to mention a few questions.

In his campaign speeches, debates, newsletters, and TV interviews, I hear what he says, and he is quite well informed about economics, but what has he done to effect changes for the better in any areas of the ditch this country is in? He talks the talk but does not walk the walk.

I’m just absolutely amazed at all the current hoopla over his latest announcement, i.e., candidate for President of United States, by so many well-intentioned, intelligent people in this country. Where is the rationale of pinning hopes for a solution to the crisis we face, on one individual who has occupied a position of power over the citizenry for over 24 years, at a cost of untold millions, showing no meaningful solutions nor results?

Despite all the propagandi to the contrary, each passing year, month, and day, conditions in this country go from bad to worse. Are we living in a pepetual Emperor’s Clothing parade, or what? Why is there such a huge blindspot and denial of who and what got us to this place in history? Why does the average person refuse to recognize the truth about what got us here, and insist upon repetitition?

And more importantly, how come the majority thinks we can vote ourselves out of the ditch we voted ourselves into? Ours is not a nation of stupid people, but why the repetition of stupid acts? Who out there has not heard what Einstein said? “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.” What is it about that simple statement of fact, so difficult to understand?

Why is it so many are listening and supporting Ron Paul, when after 24-plus years, being one in a position of power to effect positive changes, just simply continues being part of the problem, talking the talk, and not walking the walk. To consider taking off rose-colored glasses.

Wiserphil
09-18-2011, 08:14 PM
a friend of mine wrote this and posted it to her Facebook. I have been arguing with her about this topic for a while now. She brings up some good points, but I do disagree with her.

smartguy911
09-18-2011, 08:21 PM
Paul has sponsored 419 bills since Jan 7, 1997
Paul has co-sponsored 2,347 bills during the same time period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislation_sponsored_by_Ron_Paul

noxagol
09-18-2011, 08:22 PM
Well, when you're one out of 435 that gets a say on stuff, and you disagree on everything, you won't accomplish anything. However, when you're in the position of a single person, a position just about everyone in the world listens to, you can accomplish quite a bit.

Accomplishments would include not being corrupted and twisted by the system in spite of not really making much of a difference. This speak volumes upon volumes about the man's integrity. It is easy to fall by the way side when virtue offers no reward other than virtue itself.

Working Poor
09-18-2011, 08:23 PM
Why is it so many are listening and supporting Ron Paul, when after 24-plus years, being one in a position of power to effect positive changes, just simply continues being part of the problem, talking the talk, and not walking the walk. To consider taking off rose-colored glasses.

You don't seem to understand this that often times Ron was the only representative in the whole country who stood for the Constitution in his voting. A huge part of the problem is that most people did not even know what laws were being passed and how they were over running the Constitution. The ones who were paying attention started watching who was voting against these things against the constitution. Ron Paul was the only one in many cases. We started calling our reps in support of Ron's positions and getting back the most ho hum answers those fools are getting voted out.

bluesc
09-18-2011, 08:27 PM
Why doesn't she get elected to Congress and fix the country alone? What has Romney, Perry, Bachmann or Obama done to fix the country?

Most of the people in Congress are corrupt. It is very hard to fix the system from within when the very problems you are trying to fix are benefiting the people that fund the corrupt politicians.

Why is she talking about the definition of insanity when Ron has voted against all of these problems consistently, and as President would have the power to fix them. Who else does she honestly think will change the direction of the country? Voting for the same people that are funded by the same special interest groups that present the same plans is what I would call insanity.

She seems to have lumped Dr. Paul in with most of Congress, but he is one of the only honest men currently serving the people, not special interest groups.

She needs to direct her anger against typical politicians towards Obama, Perry and Romney. THEY are all the same, and will not change a damn thing.

bkreigh
09-18-2011, 08:28 PM
This friend wants other people to feed her research. "What is his voting record?" Look it up yourself. Its public fucking information you can find anywhere.

"What has he done...?" Shit, every other sentence begins with this. He is one guy of 435 congress people. He can make all the speeches he wants on the House Floor (which she should listen too/wtch to get an idea of what he has done) but at the end of the day his vote counts only once. If nobody else votes with him then there is not much he can do. He talks the talk and walks the walk by voting accordingly.

Remind her that he is not a fucking king and cant change shit on a whim.

If anything you should ask her "What have you done?" Has she contacted her representative in regards to these issues?

Nate-ForLiberty
09-18-2011, 08:37 PM
A politician should not be graded on how much he does, but how much he doesn't do. Government was not created to solve all of our problems. The Constitution was written to restrain the government. Ron Paul has never stepped beyond his Constitutional authority as a congressman, and as president can VETO all unconstitutional bills. Bills that would normally be passed.

So when someone says "He hasn't done anything!"

I say "Exactly!! All these politicians keep doing things and making it all worse! Here is the one guy who has refused to do evil when given the opportunity...for 30 freakin' years!!!"

...easy choice.

ghengis86
09-18-2011, 08:41 PM
Uh, all GOP candidates are parroting RP, and the last congressional election saw many people elected who parrot RP.

Ideas > # of bills passed.

Gumba of Liberty
09-18-2011, 08:47 PM
What has Ron Paul Accomplished? He has shown the American people that politics does not have to be the corrupt cesspool that is Washington D.C. It is possible to be principled and get elected. A better question to ask is where would we be without someone like Dr. Paul.

Considering the state of American politics in 2006-2007, before most people knew about Dr. Paul, where would we be today? If this crisis had hit without at least one individual loudly proclaiming on the National Stage the reasons for the crisis and the solutions to the problems, we would be down a shit creek without a paddle. Today we are still down said creek, but we have a way out. What would have happened to this once great country without a sizable segment of the population understanding sound money, the Federal Reserve, and foreign policy? If it wasn't for Dr. Paul many people would still be stuck in the left-right paradigm. Many of us would be going down with the ship. Not only has Dr. Paul done a tremendous amount for many intelligent people who have been paying attention to national affairs, it is incredible that one person is having such an impact on world history and western civilization especially considering how principled, genuine and just this person is. Personally, not only did Dr. Paul change my ideas on politics and economics, he has restored my belief in human beings and the possibility of a higher power. I thought all politicians were corrupt and in this era all politicians are, except one. All it took was one man with true principles to stand up and tell the truth. In all honesty I believe that when they write the history of the late 20th-21st century that Ron Paul will be held in the ranks of Cicero, Newton, Locke, Jefferson, and Thoreau but with even more of an impact on humanity because of the Internet Reformation and the flow of information.

Dr. Paul is the anomaly of liberty in a sea of statism. He is the manifestation of the Founding Fathers coming back from the grave to slap the American people in the face and wake them from their long sleep. He is important because the Elites never saw this coming. This was the only thing that could destroy their plans. Even if Ron Paul does not win this election, the message is out. Dr. Paul was the match that light the brush fires of freedom. We are those brush fires. The genies out of the bottle. The jig is up. We know the truth and the truth has set us free.

Conventional political victories do not match the importance of speaking truth to power and changing the political landscape because of it. Watched the debates lately?

Peace&Freedom
09-18-2011, 09:01 PM
Tell her that Paul has accomplished EVERYTHING. He has shown an entire generation what a true constitution-minded statesmen looks like, and what libertarian legislation should look like, across all issues. He has shown that ideas are more attractive coalition and movement builders than compromises, PACs or pandering. He has led the creation of a new mindset that talks openly about the impact of the Federal Reserve, monetary inflation, and the financial consequences of militarism and blowback. He has shown the true compassionate side of principled conservatism and liberty-minded political thinking. And he has shown us all that victory can be obtained even if you are repeatedly the sole vote in Congress going the other way---the victory that courage always embodies. Ron Paul IS accomplishment, period.

Philosophy_of_Politics
09-18-2011, 09:17 PM
When the progress has been detrimental, why should Ron Paul say yes to progressive bad policies to begin with? All Politicians only need say no, on most of the issues, to keep this country sane to begin with.

AtomiC
09-19-2011, 02:16 AM
1 person can't do it all.

affa
09-19-2011, 04:15 AM
he has single handedly (well, with the help of us, his supporters) changed public discourse for the better. we are now discussing the failed fed, the failed drug war, the failed irs, the failed foreign policy of preemptive strike...

he has reminded Americans that we thirst for liberty.

as for your friend, well, a single person voting 'no' does nothing in and of itself. if he voted 'yes' for everything, along with everyone else ignoring the constitution, the debt, and his conscious, he'd have 'done' a lot. just nothing worthwhile. rather, he's shown that we do have a politician / statesmen we can not only trust, but respect. that's huge.