White House, Europe desperate to stop Palestinians’ statehood bid at UN

[Agorism]

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/09/16/team_obama_pushes_new_quartet_statement_to_avoid_p alestinian_un_bid



Team Obama pushes new Quartet statement to avoid Palestinian U.N. bid



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The "Peace Prize" prez is planning a veto

[CJLauderdale4]

With Bibi as the leader in Israel, what many fail to realize is that when Palestine becomes a State, and then rogue groups launch rockets into Israel from the new Palestinian state, Israel will now see this as an act of war, and invade and conquer the land again....playing right into the hands of the Israelis.

And Palestine will have no ground to stand on (pun intended) at the UN when Israel invades because Israel can point to the aggression as an act of war and their invasion as defensive.

[moderate libertarian]

Does anyone know why US violently supports freedom and self-determination for Iraqis, Libyans and people in other parts but opposes independence and freedom for Palestinians?

Makes no sense at all.

It can't be religious racism or just religiousity because the other day I read that segements of porn industry had been financing some Israeli settlements in part.

Is it due to the need to keep mideast violence/wars on front burners to support weapons industry?

Is it to prepare the land for return of Christ?


Can someone explain what the reason is?


Just read this article earlier that says how Obama crowd is terrified of Israeli lobby and they sent AIPAC founder and notorious Israel firster Dennis Ross as America's "peace negotiations" envoy to mideast. It's worse than a joke.



MJ Rosenberg

Shooting Ourselves in the Foot at The UN

9/8/11 12:49 PM ET

It is amusing watching the usual suspects -- including those in the Obama administration -- announce their opposition to the United Nations resolution that would grant the Palestinians their long-sought state.

Some of the opposition comes from the lobby and its Congressional cutouts who are dedicated to preserving the status quo (i.e., the occupation). The Obama administration, almost surely, has a far more nuanced position but is terrified at the prospect of challenging the lobby as it faces a tough re-election campaign.

In any case, the United States looks utterly helpless. The Palestinians no longer view President Obama as an honest broker. Having watched him retreat after every attempt to bring Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to the peace table, they view Obama as no different from his most recent predecessor. Some believe he may be worse simply because, as a Democrat, Obama is more beholden to donors associated with the lobby than any Republican.

As for the Israelis, they openly disrespect the President. Binyamin Netanyahu, like most bullies, is only impressed by those who bully him right back. Obama's repeated capitulations win him no points with a Netanyahu who believed from day one that Obama could be rolled. He has been proven right while his many dovish critics at home -- who insisted that there would be a price to be paid for disrespecting the United States -- look like Nervous Nellies.

It is the United States that is paying the price, not Israel.

Look at how the Obama administration is handling the upcoming UN vote. This week, in a last ditch attempt to avert a UN vote, the administration dispatched Dennis Ross, the National Security Council official in charge of Arab-Israeli affairs, to the region, along with David Hill, who is filling in as Special Envoy to the region following the resignation (in disgust) of his predecessor, George Mitchell.

Hill is a respected foreign policy professional but both Palestinians and Israelis know that Ross is the guy who matters. He is also the official responsible for the administration's failure to make any headway on Israel-Palestinian issues since coming to office.

That is not because Ross is inept; he isn't. But he is a true blue supporter of right-wing Israeli policies, best known for, between government jobs, having led AIPAC's own think-tank, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

More than any administration official since Elliot Abrams -- in the George W. Bush administration -- Ross believes that the United States must never publicly differ with the Israeli government about anything. (Apparently it was Ross who devised Vice President Biden's pledge that there must be "no daylight, no daylight" between Israeli and U.S. policies.)

Dispatching Ross to talk to Palestinians and Israelis about the UN vote demonstrates that the administration is just going through the motions on Israeli-Palestinian diplomacy. After all, the Palestinians don't trust Ross at all while the Israelis know that he is on their side. He brings nothing new to the table and certainly nothing to induce the Palestinians to forego their statehood initiative.

If the United States was serious about advancing diplomacy rather than reassuring the lobby, it would pressure Netanyahu to return to negotiations based on the '67 lines (as has been the case with all previous negotiations), with a settlement freeze as a form of earnest money. In return, the Palestinians would pass on the UN. Unfortunately, that won't happen because the lobby (and Dennis Ross) does not permit pressure on Israel, just on the Palestinians (who have been warned that if they go ahead with the vote, they will lose US aid).

So it looks like that there will be a UN vote and that the United States will be among the few nations in the world to vote "no." Not even Mahmoud Abbas' repeated assurances that his first act following the vote will be to open negotiations with Israel will have an impact on the US position. No, we will stand with Netanyahu even though the perception that the US and Israel are joined at the hip is the last thing any President wants.

But let's not give up hope. This weekend is the 10th anniversary of 9/11, a particularly inauspicious time for the Obama administration to look like Netanyahu's puppet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/shooting-ourselves-in-the_2_b_954022.html

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Does anyone know why US violently supports freedom and self-determination for Iraqis, Libyans and people in other parts but opposes independence and freedom for Palestinians?

They don't support freedom and self-determination for anyone. They pretend to when convenient.

[robert68]

With Bibi as the leader in Israel, what many fail to realize is that when Palestine becomes a State, and then rogue groups launch rockets into Israel from the new Palestinian state, Israel will now see this as an act of war, and invade and conquer the land again....playing right into the hands of the Israelis.

And Palestine will have no ground to stand on (pun intended) at the UN when Israel invades because Israel can point to the aggression as an act of war and their invasion as defensive.

Why then has Israel been lobbying against the Palestinian bid for full UN membership?