Should I go work for the Federal Reserve?

[orenbus]

Have the opportunity to work for them as a manager in the Fed, should I take it? LOL, I'm not joking, I could use the money been unemployed for a period of time, but feel kind of weird about taking the job...

[Travlyr]

Take it and be a double agent. ;)

[Acala]

Have the opportunity to work for them as a manager in the Fed, should I take it? LOL, I'm not joking, I could use the money been unemployed for a period of time, but feel kind of weird about taking the job...

If you don't someone else will. I would rather have the money go to you than someone who doesn't know the evil being done. And I know you will contribute to Ron Paul and like-minded folks. I think you should take the job and learn all you can about the operation.

[matt0611]

Take it and be a double agent. ;)

This. ;)

[ctiger2]

Take the job and buy silver will your extra salary.

[fisharmor]

You have presidential candidates on TV calling the chairman a traitor.
I'd have no problem with you doing it, but you should probably be reaaaally good at reading the tea leaves, and make sure your back doesn't end up against a wall.

[cucucachu0000]

yea donate money to paul and revpac its. your worth more that way then broke.

[Vessol]

I think that the fact that you are questioning if you should work for the Fed is telling enough. It's obvious that you have an issue morally with the Fed, do you really think that the unease will abate once you start working there?

I personally know that I could not work at a job which I find morally reprehensible.

[muzzled dogg]

We need people tryin to tear down the wall from both sides

[WilliamC]

Nothing wrong with working from within the system, just so long as you have the attitude that you'd be happy to figure out a way to eliminate your taxpayer funded job if it were possible to do so.

It's the mindset that once you've (rhetorically speaking) got a government job then you're set for life and never have to work again that is the problem.

[MRoCkEd]

Yes. You will have more credibility opposing it later. "I know what went on"

[anaconda]

Absolutely. Great learning experience. However, you may want to attend End the Fed Rallies in the next closest city in the near future.

[Diurdi]

Have the opportunity to work for them as a manager in the Fed, should I take it? LOL, I'm not joking, I could use the money been unemployed for a period of time, but feel kind of weird about taking the job... I would without hesitation. Not all workers at Fed worship it.

And yeah, buy precious metals with your salary.

[libertybrewcity]

I'd probably take it, but who knows how long you'll be employed:)

[Anti Federalist]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Vessol again.

At first, you'll accept the paycheck while holding your nose.

After a while the stench will become unnoticeable.

After a little while longer, fresh air will smell like shit.


I think that the fact that you are questioning if you should work for the Fed is telling enough. It's obvious that you have an issue morally with the Fed, do you really think that the unease will abate once you start working there?

I personally know that I could not work at a job which I find morally reprehensible.

[emazur]

Do it but keep a secret journal along the way detailing why you oppose the Fed, how it keeps fucking things up, and what you see from the inside (at the very least, do it for your own credibility. People could attack you in the future for being an establishment insider like they are now attacking Cain with his days in the Fed)

Gerald O'Driscoll used to be the VP of the Dallas Fed and and now writes excellent articles that criticize it and he has joined CATO
http://www.cato.org/people/gerald-odriscoll

[BamaAla]

If you were hungry, you wouldn't be here asking. Take the job if you need a job.

[Acala]

Yes. You will have more credibility opposing it later. "I know what went on"

Good point.

[Acala]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Vessol again.

At first, you'll accept the paycheck while holding your nose.

After a while the stench will become unnoticeable.

After a little while longer, fresh air will smell like shit.

Ron Paul has worked in Congress for thirty years. He still has a pretty sensitive nose.

[bolil]

Find a new one...for I fear this thread may have cost you that job. I don't really think that analogy quite nails it down.

-boliliol

[Anti Federalist]

Ron Paul has worked in Congress for thirty years. He still has a pretty sensitive nose.

True enough, however, Ron Paul didn't need the job.

He was a well respected doctor with a successful practice that he could always return to.

When you need the job, like the OP suggests, then you get deadened to the stench more rapidly.

[PaulConventionWV]

I would take it. I personally don't see anything wrong working for the system when you have no other choice. It's pretty much the equivalent of paying taxes. Only those ready to make an example of themselves don't do what's necessary to live under such a government as ours. There are a lot of good things you could do with the money you earn.

However, I caution you. DO NOT lose your moral compass. Remember what you are doing there, and do not become dependent on it or feel secure in your job. Always have another plan ready for if and when you quit or otherwise so that you don't become too complacent and get fat sucking on the government teet. You must remain vigilant and not become corrupted by the potential wealth and power. Play the game but don't try to win.

[asurfaholic]

Nothing wrong with working from within the system, just so long as you have the attitude that you'd be happy to figure out a way to eliminate your taxpayer funded job if it were possible to do so.

It's the mindset that once you've (rhetorically speaking) got a government job then you're set for life and never have to work again that is the problem.

This saves me typing response

[fj45lvr]

do you like to use the term "inside job"??? if yes then go for it!!!

[militant]

I think that the fact that you are questioning if you should work for the Fed is telling enough. It's obvious that you have an issue morally with the Fed, do you really think that the unease will abate once you start working there?

I personally know that I could not work at a job which I find morally reprehensible.


QFT. In 2000 I moved to DC and got a job at the Fed through a contracting agency. I was 21 and clueless and just impressed with the opportunity I'd been given.

During the following few months, I read some of Rand's nonfiction and essays (having already been a fan of her fiction for years) and concluded, largely due to Greenspan's gold standard essay in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, that my employer was illegitimate, and that my paycheck came at great expense, in a variety of ways, to the American public.

I worked at the Board of Governors across the street from the main Fed building, managing a testbed of Linux servers to test a potential migration for the branch banks. Greenspan's office was across the way, and as I occasionally was tasked with fixing or preparing a VIP's laptop, I planned ahead and waited. A little later on, a Greenspan aide's laptop appeared. I repaired it and delivered it across the street to Greenspan's office in person. I included a copy of Rand's book, with a post-it marking Greenspan's essay which read "Mr. Greenspan, what happened?" and signed it personally. The Mr. Greenspan showed above the top of the book, and the rest was revealed when the book was opened to that page. I waited til the next afternoon with my satchel under my desk, and when they walked in to give me the talk, I was packed and ready to leave. I met them halfway to my desk and stuck out my hand to shake theirs, which they ignored. I said "I assume he got the book, and especially the note?" and walked out.

I think you would do well to consider it seriously. It may be a very good job in a very tough economy. At this late and ever more depressing stage of things, hey, it's a job, right? And as others have said, you could perhaps do a little bit of good in some way or another, through the position. Or, you could be sure you never have to doubt yourself over it later in life. Or, if you pass on the job, you may regret that, too. It's an entirely personal choice. I just thought I'd share my experience. But mine was a different situation. Mine was a technology job, and not a money/policy/politics/management position, which are more responsible for what's wrong with the Fed. At the same time, my decision came at a younger age, with a better economy and far more options and alternatives. You may find a harder going of trying to get different but equal or better employment, and that hardship must be taken into account by yourself, for your own sake, and to a much lesser degree, others, whose opinions you must remember count for much much less.

[amyre]

QFT. In 2000 I moved to DC and got a job at the Fed through a contracting agency. I was 21 and clueless and just impressed with the opportunity I'd been given.

During the following few months, I read some of Rand's nonfiction and essays (having already been a fan of her fiction for years) and concluded, largely due to Greenspan's gold standard essay in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, that my employer was illegitimate, and that my paycheck came at great expense, in a variety of ways, to the American public.

I worked at the Board of Governors across the street from the main Fed building, managing a testbed of Linux servers to test a potential migration for the branch banks. Greenspan's office was across the way, and as I occasionally was tasked with fixing or preparing a VIP's laptop, I planned ahead and waited. A little later on, a Greenspan aide's laptop appeared. I repaired it and delivered it across the street to Greenspan's office in person. I included a copy of Rand's book, with a post-it marking Greenspan's essay which read "Mr. Greenspan, what happened?" and signed it personally. I waited til the next afternoon with my satchel under my desk, and when they walked in to give me the talk, I was packed and ready to leave. I met them halfway to my desk and stuck out my hand to shake theirs, which they ignored. I said "I assume he got the book, and especially the note?" and walked out.

I think you would do well to consider it seriously. It may be a very good job in a very tough economy. At this late and ever more depressing stage of things, hey, it's a job, right? And as others have said, you could perhaps do a little bit of good in some way or another, through the position. Or, you could be sure you never have to doubt yourself over it later in life. Or, if you pass on the job, you may regret that, too. It's an entirely personal choice. I just thought I'd share my experience. But mine was a different situation. Mine was a technology job, and not a money/policy/politics/management position, which are more responsible for what's wrong with the Fed. At the same time, my decision came at a younger age, with a better economy and far more options and alternatives. You may find a harder going of trying to get different but equal or better employment, and that hardship must be taken into account by yourself, for your own sake, and to a much lesser degree, others, whose opinions you must remember count for much much less.

That sounds epic, and belongs in a movie. :)

[militant]

It certainly was exciting. My recruiter at Spherion called me and asked wtf. I explained, and he said ok ok whatever, he'd start finding me a new job. A few days later I got a box of coffee in the mail from him with just the word 'thanks' on the card.

[AFPVet]

Take the job. Will I pass up a good detective or road patrol job if it came my way? No... we need as many good people in key positions as possible.

[Anti Federalist]

Well done. +rep


QFT. In 2000 I moved to DC and got a job at the Fed through a contracting agency. I was 21 and clueless and just impressed with the opportunity I'd been given.

During the following few months, I read some of Rand's nonfiction and essays (having already been a fan of her fiction for years) and concluded, largely due to Greenspan's gold standard essay in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, that my employer was illegitimate, and that my paycheck came at great expense, in a variety of ways, to the American public.

I worked at the Board of Governors across the street from the main Fed building, managing a testbed of Linux servers to test a potential migration for the branch banks. Greenspan's office was across the way, and as I occasionally was tasked with fixing or preparing a VIP's laptop, I planned ahead and waited. A little later on, a Greenspan aide's laptop appeared. I repaired it and delivered it across the street to Greenspan's office in person. I included a copy of Rand's book, with a post-it marking Greenspan's essay which read "Mr. Greenspan, what happened?" and signed it personally. The Mr. Greenspan showed above the top of the book, and the rest was revealed when the book was opened to that page. I waited til the next afternoon with my satchel under my desk, and when they walked in to give me the talk, I was packed and ready to leave. I met them halfway to my desk and stuck out my hand to shake theirs, which they ignored. I said "I assume he got the book, and especially the note?" and walked out.

I think you would do well to consider it seriously. It may be a very good job in a very tough economy. At this late and ever more depressing stage of things, hey, it's a job, right? And as others have said, you could perhaps do a little bit of good in some way or another, through the position. Or, you could be sure you never have to doubt yourself over it later in life. Or, if you pass on the job, you may regret that, too. It's an entirely personal choice. I just thought I'd share my experience. But mine was a different situation. Mine was a technology job, and not a money/policy/politics/management position, which are more responsible for what's wrong with the Fed. At the same time, my decision came at a younger age, with a better economy and far more options and alternatives. You may find a harder going of trying to get different but equal or better employment, and that hardship must be taken into account by yourself, for your own sake, and to a much lesser degree, others, whose opinions you must remember count for much much less.

[Vessol]

I've always believed that you show your beliefs and morals through your actions and not just your words or postings on a message board.

Again, if I find something morally reprehensible, I don't engage in that action or support it unless I am coerced in doing so(such as with paying taxes).

It's like joining the mafia. You can say all you want how much you disagree with what the mafia does, but you are still effectively assisting them. The difference here is that the mafia is actually a lot more morally sound than the Federal Reserve, or at least they are more honest about the immoral things that they go about doing.

The excuse of 'well I need a job' to me is kind of weak. Again I speak on my own personal opinion, so I don't know about you, but a important thing to me about a job is being able to actually enjoy my time there. I would take a cut in my standard of living if it meant getting a lower paying job that I could actually enjoy and not constantly make excuses of "Well I am on the inside" or "Well, we need people in key positions".

[TCE]

I'm on the other side of this one, I would take it in a heartbeat. How much do we not know about the Fed? Probably an entire world of information. You're bound to find out something, definitely take the job.

As an aside, not sure why you would post it here and not HT, pretty sure the Fed would be reading this board.

[gerryb]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Vessol again.

At first, you'll accept the paycheck while holding your nose.

After a while the stench will become unnoticeable.

After a little while longer, fresh air will smell like shit.

bullshit.

I work for the MIC, so I have first hand experience in why it should be dismantled.

[Anti Federalist]

bullshit.

I work for the MIC, so I have first hand experience in why it should be dismantled.

Then why are you still working for it?

[Sola_Fide]

Why be involved in something that is destroying America?

This is the same view I have of the "faith-based socialism" of Bush and Obama, where "faith-based church organizations" are sucking at the breast of the treasury.

It is wrong, wrong, wrong. Let's separate ourselves from this evil system.

[Vessol]

Then why are you still working for it?

This. Withdrawing one's support from the system is the first step to dismantling it.

[wannaberocker]

Absolutly take it.

[gerryb]

This. Withdrawing one's support from the system is the first step to dismantling it.

No, it isn't.

It is not possible for us to withdraw our support. Stop paying your taxes, THEN tell me that same line.

The job is going to exist either way. If it is in your best interest to work that job, then that's what should be done.

You need to take over organizations in order to fix them. We are not anywhere near the ideal stage where we can abolish these organizations...

[Vessol]

No, it isn't.

It is not possible for us to withdraw our support. Stop paying your taxes, THEN tell me that same line.

You need to take over organizations in order to fix them.

So should I join the Mafia in order to fix it? How will that work out? You can't fix something that is inherently immoral, and the Federal Reserve is inherently immoral.

The difference between paying taxes and getting a job at the Fed is that paying taxes is involuntary. He has a choice whether he can work for the Fed or not.

[Sola_Fide]

No, it isn't.

It is not possible for us to withdraw our support. Stop paying your taxes, THEN tell me that same line.

You need to take over organizations in order to fix them.

The OP isn't taking Bernanke's job. He can't fix it. Even a new Chairman isn't going to fix the FED. Congress has to fix the FED by repealing the legal tender laws, repealing the Federal Reserve Act, etc.

[Seraphim]

I agree.

Quite frankly the best way to take this cabal down is to buy gold/silver/platinum/palladium and to use that as savings and remove the ability of the oligopoly commercial banks to create more money out of thin air.

Death by a million cuts.

There are millions of us, and a few of them. If only 5% of us start cutting the sons of bitches, they will start to feel weak. Sure, when they hit back it will be more painful then one of our hits. But at some point, the big bear swats get weaker as the swarm of wolves close in, taking small chunks out of the bear, bit by bit.

Bleed the system by NOT COMPLYING. I WILL NOT COMPLY. That is the biggest step you can take. I WILL NOT COMPLY.

I WILL NOT FUCKING COMPLY.


This. Withdrawing one's support from the system is the first step to dismantling it.

[gerryb]

The OP isn't taking Bernanke's job. He can't fix it. Even a new Chairman isn't going to fix the FED. Congress has to fix the FED by repealing the legal tender laws, repealing the Federal Reserve Act, etc.

Then it is very unlikely to ever be fixed without coming to a catastrophic end.

We need people within these organizations voicing that the policy being implemented is the wrong policy, and presenting alternatives.

[Vessol]

Then it is very unlikely to ever be fixed without coming to a catastrophic end.

We need people within these organizations voicing that the policy being implemented is the wrong policy, and presenting alternatives.

The Federal Reserve's policy is not what is wrong.

The entire Federal Reserve system is wrong and immoral.

This is why Ron Paul says 'End the Fed' and not 'Change the Fed'.

[Anti Federalist]

No, it isn't.

It is not possible for us to withdraw our support. Stop paying your taxes, THEN tell me that same line.

The job is going to exist either way. If it is in your best interest to work that job, then that's what should be done.

You need to take over organizations in order to fix them. We are not anywhere near the ideal stage where we can abolish these organizations...

When you dance with the devil, you don't change the devil.

The devil changes you.

[gerryb]

The Federal Reserve's policy is not what is wrong.

The entire Federal Reserve system is wrong and immoral.

This is why Ron Paul says 'End the Fed' and not 'Change the Fed'.

If you'll recall, he has changed his stance to "audit the fed", to build support for ending it. I think there might be a bill in congress for this?

[TCE]

Let's say OP doesn't take the job. They'll get someone else, likely a statist, who will cause more harm and not help us in any measurable way. You're telling me that if we could get several managers inside the Federal Reserve that we wouldn't be better off for it? There would be no chance to ascend to a higher position within the organization? I still fail to see how running for Congress and getting elected, thus getting inside something that continues to churn out anti-liberty legislation, is different from this.

[asurfaholic]

What sounds more credible.

Protester outside Federal Reserve building thinks the fed is a failure and should be dismantled.

or

Federal Reserve representative acknowledges the Federal reserve has failed and should be dismantled.

[Johnnymac]

I'd say go for it but don't get caught! Aka you think Ron Paul sucks, they will never know!

[Bern]

http://pictures.deadlycomputer.com/d/21568-1/smokey_bear.jpg

[brandon]

I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did that. Do you really want a job you despise?

But I certainly wouldn't judge someone else for making that decision.

[Chase]

One word: Wikileaks.

[TCE]

OP posts less than two lines and we reply with five pages, OP hasn't posted since.

[Athan]

Take it. Don't be a double agent or anything stupid. Just commit to buying silver to protect you and your family. I think buying gold and silver are the best defense and offense we can do against the fed. Cash in those silly notes till the criminal counterfeiters start crying.

[orenbus]

OP posts less than two lines and we reply with five pages, OP hasn't posted since.

Thanks everyone for your responses and opinions, will consider everything and make a decision. Appreciate everyone's advice.