View Full Version : Discussion of the Let Him Die question on CNN's Situation Room
sadam
09-14-2011, 03:34 PM
I was just watching CNN when Wolf Blitzer stated they had breaking news about a Ron Paul aide from the 2008 campaign not having health insurance and then died shortly after. They also interviewed Ron Paul asking him about the situation. And I also don't know how to youtube videos or any of that so don't ask.
zHorns
09-14-2011, 03:36 PM
I was just watching CNN when Wolf Blitzer stated they had breaking news about a Ron Paul aide from the 2008 campaign not having health insurance and then died shortly after. They also interviewed Ron Paul asking him about the situation. And I also don't know how to youtube videos or any of that so don't ask.
Interesting.. Tubes?
specsaregood
09-14-2011, 03:40 PM
2008....breaking news....perhaps they need to get their brakes checked.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?315617-GAWKER-Ron-Paul’s-Campaign-Manager-Died-of-Pneumonia-Penniless-and-Uninsured
I'll be interested to see if they got any statement from Ron on it. Attempts by Gawker, et. al. to score some sort of political point against Ron using this story seem pretty pathetic to me.
low preference guy
09-14-2011, 03:48 PM
if you haven't seen desperation before, this is your chance.
sailingaway
09-14-2011, 03:52 PM
Breaking news? From three years ago?
Brett85
09-14-2011, 03:55 PM
I'm glad this is getting so much attention in the media. It's much better than having them focus on Ron's debate comments on the 9-11 issue.
I thought it was a fair piece, and it made Ron Paul look very sympathetic. They showed how personal it was to him, and re-iterated several times that he said "No." don't let him die. I think the piece was good.
Bruno
09-14-2011, 03:56 PM
Breaking news : He didn't die from not having insurance, but rather because not everyone's life can be saved by medical science and all humans are mortal.
That said, it was sad that he died, I hear he was a great guy.
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 03:59 PM
My grandpa seen this on CNN about an hour ago and is pissed at Ron Paul for not paying Kent's medical bill. He said Ron lost his vote.
I'm pissed that my grandpa would come to that conclusion.
Can anyone help me come up with something to say? I think I can get my grandpa back on board if I explain it in the right manner.
low preference guy
09-14-2011, 04:02 PM
My grandpa seen this on CNN about an hour ago and is pissed at Ron Paul for not paying Kent's medical bill. He said Ron lost his vote.
I'm pissed that my grandpa would come to that conclusion.
Can anyone help me come up with something to say? I think I can get my grandpa back on board if I explain it in the right manner.
give it a few days. he might see the ridiculousness after a good night's sleep. if not, just say that he DID receive treatment.
Guitarzan
09-14-2011, 04:03 PM
My grandpa seen this on CNN about an hour ago and is pissed at Ron Paul for not paying Kent's medical bill. He said Ron lost his vote.
I'm pissed that my grandpa would come to that conclusion.
Can anyone help me come up with something to say? I think I can get my grandpa back on board if I explain it in the right manner.
Is your grandpa a democrat?
D.A.S.
09-14-2011, 04:04 PM
Well, I'll say this -- giving Ron Paul more publicity, even if it's connected to "let the dude die" crap, is a good thing. People will be forced into thinking about it and talking about it and talking about Ron Paul, most importantly. There are a lot of people who loathe Paul for not supporting socialized medicine -- most comments under a CNN ticker story on this have been absolutely scathing -- but there are also a lot of people who will think about it and look past the smoke screen. I think MOST of those who loathe him for it are firmly pro-Obama and won't likely change, so they don't really matter to us, but in the end I still see this message getting out as a positive thing for us.
anewvoice
09-14-2011, 04:05 PM
My grandpa seen this on CNN about an hour ago and is pissed at Ron Paul for not paying Kent's medical bill. He said Ron lost his vote.
I'm pissed that my grandpa would come to that conclusion.
Can anyone help me come up with something to say? I think I can get my grandpa back on board if I explain it in the right manner.
Turn the conversation around to inflationary pressures causing the cost to actually be $400k. This is both a moral and economic issue, as most are. Ron Paul can decide or not to pay for a colleagues medical bills but it does not change the fact that the cost of medicine is so high as a result of poor fiscal and government policy.
Zydeco
09-14-2011, 04:06 PM
RP and others set up a fund to help pay Kent's medical bills, and RP did contribute. Don't know if he's ever disclosed how much.
And we should always emphasize this point: if Ron Paul were president and medicine were de-cartelized, Snyder's bills would have been far less -- and he'd have been much more likely to have health insurance in the first place, since it would cost much less than now.
sailingaway
09-14-2011, 04:07 PM
My grandpa seen this on CNN about an hour ago and is pissed at Ron Paul for not paying Kent's medical bill. He said Ron lost his vote.
I'm pissed that my grandpa would come to that conclusion.
Can anyone help me come up with something to say? I think I can get my grandpa back on board if I explain it in the right manner.
I think what your grandpa is getting at is that employers often pay for insurance. I sure hope he wouldn't expect Ron to be able to be a major medical insurer himself of all people who work on his campaign.
Kent Snyder, as campaign chair, would have determined what benefits employees got, as much as anyone. However, he wasn't insurable when the campaign started. More likely, though, since the campaign was caught surprised at the level of support for what was supposed to be an educational campaign, they just had independent contractors thinking it would be a short term effort, at least in the early stages. That would be my guess.
Certainly FEC rules would not have let Ron use any of the money he raised in the campaign on Kent's medical bills, so the idea that Ron got money donated in large numbers doesn't help this issue (nor was it related to Snyder, but that's entirely separate.). Meanwhile, Ron's supporters did start a fund and donate, and I believe raised about $50,000. Then his family said that they weren't responsible for the bills, and Ron had already dropped out of the campaign at that point.... My memory from the event was that Ron had donated too, but I didn't see HIM saying it. I did read that he had.
emr1028
09-14-2011, 04:07 PM
I dislike how the media seems to be ignoring that Kent wasn't insured because of what appears to be AIDS.
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 04:13 PM
Is your grandpa a democrat?
Life long democrat until 2008 when he decided he would become an independent. Other than not calling himself a democrat anymore nothing has changed...still watches CNN religiously and all that stuff.
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 04:14 PM
Well, I'll say this -- giving Ron Paul more publicity, even if it's connected to "let the dude die" crap, is a good thing. People will be forced into thinking about it and talking about it and talking about Ron Paul, most importantly. There are a lot of people who loathe Paul for not supporting socialized medicine -- most comments under a CNN ticker story on this have been absolutely scathing -- but there are also a lot of people who will think about it and look past the smoke screen. I think MOST of those who loathe him for it are firmly pro-Obama and won't likely change, so they don't really matter to us, but in the end I still see this message getting out as a positive thing for us.
There is no such thing as bad publicity.
LibertyEsq
09-14-2011, 04:18 PM
As disgusting as this attack is, I don't see it hurting us in the GOP primary. He did receive care, so the "let him die" bs doesn't even apply
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 04:19 PM
I think what your grandpa is getting at is that employers often pay for insurance. I sure hope he wouldn't expect Ron to be able to be a major medical insurer himself of all people who work on his campaign.
Kent Snyder, as campaign chair, would have determined what benefits employees got, as much as anyone. However, it is possible he wasn't insurable when the campaign started. Certainly FEC rules would not have let Ron use any of the money he raised in the campaign on Kent's medical bills. Meanwhile, Ron's supporters did start a fund and donate, and I believe raised about $50,000. Then his family said that they weren't responsible for the bills, and Ron had already dropped out of the campaign at that point.... My memory from the event was that Ron had donated too, but I didn't see HIM saying it. I did read that he had.
No he just thinks that Ron Paul is a POS for not paying the $400,000 bill himself and apparently somehow thinks that RP let him die.
I dislike how the media seems to be ignoring that Kent wasn't insured because of what appears to be AIDS.
Full disclosure doesn't fit their agenda.
eleganz
09-14-2011, 04:20 PM
My grandpa seen this on CNN about an hour ago and is pissed at Ron Paul for not paying Kent's medical bill. He said Ron lost his vote.
I'm pissed that my grandpa would come to that conclusion.
Can anyone help me come up with something to say? I think I can get my grandpa back on board if I explain it in the right manner.
What else was your grandfather unhappy about? I think revisit this topic in a week after he has let some steam go.
Guitarzan
09-14-2011, 04:21 PM
Life long democrat until 2008 when he decided he would become an independent. Other than not calling himself a democrat anymore nothing has changed...still watches CNN religiously and all that stuff.
Well, there it is then.
While watching the debate with my grandpa (lifelong Republican), when Wolf asked the question, "Should society just let him die?" Grandpa immediately asked, "Well, is he a democrat?" :eek: :D
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 04:21 PM
As disgusting as this attack is, I don't see it hurting us in the GOP primary. He did receive care, so the "let him die" bs doesn't even apply
I don't see it hurting RP with anyone that actually looks at the facts. Honestly I think it will only hurt RP with people that didn't like him anyway...so no loss.
It said right in the piece this evening that Ron Paul did help and they had fundraisers, and were able to pay like $50,000. It also said he was not denied any treatment, only that there were bills left for the treatment that went to the family. It also said, the hospital never tried to reclaim the money from the family!
Nobody let him die - he didn't die from lack of care - he got the best care possible, and still died. The issue isn't lack of care, the issue was how to pay for it.
I think your grandpa needs to re-watch the piece.
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 04:32 PM
It said right in the piece this evening that Ron Paul did help and they had fundraisers, and were able to pay like $50,000. It also said he was not denied any treatment, only that there were bills left for the treatment that went to the family. It also said, the hospital never tried to reclaim the money from the family!
Nobody let him die - he didn't die from lack of care - he got the best care possible, and still died. The issue isn't lack of care, the issue was how to pay for it.
I think your grandpa needs to re-watch the piece.
I'm going to wait a few days and ask him what exactly he had a problem with and try to explain everything to him.
He just watched it again (30min ago?) and got mad about it again.
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 04:33 PM
Well, there it is then.
While watching the debate with my grandpa (lifelong Republican), when Wolf asked the question, "Should society just let him die?" Grandpa immediately asked, "Well, is he a democrat?" :eek: :D
haha :D
I'm going to wait a few days and ask him what exactly he had a problem with and try to explain everything to him.
He just watched it again (30min ago?) and got mad about it again.
Sorry.. I would just try to focus the discussion on the fact that he DID receive care - $400,000 worth of care - nobody 'let him die'. Good luck!
pauliticalfan
09-14-2011, 04:38 PM
This kind of publicity is what we need to spread RP and his message of liberty.
eleganz
09-14-2011, 04:41 PM
I started thinking about it some more and here is what I have to say:
He didn't die because the hospital refused to treat him because that is against the oath that doctors take to save lives (you can google this oath). He did have a bill of $400k but that debt cannot be passed onto the next of kin (up or down), in this case his mother was or is not legally bound to pay the medical debt. Maybe if you can explain these 2 things to your grandfather and see if he still feels the same way.
Also, I don't know if employee insurance is mandatory to run an electoral campaign since it is entirely based off donations which probably makes it a non-profit organization. End of the day, Ron Paul didn't LET his employee die, he died of natural causes (pneumonia) as far as we all know. If Ron Paul was the physician treating Kent, would you think Paul would let him die? then how can we place any blame on Paul for Kent's death?
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 04:48 PM
Sorry.. I would just try to focus the discussion on the fact that he DID receive care - $400,000 worth of care - nobody 'let him die'. Good luck!
I started thinking about it some more and here is what I have to say:
He didn't die because the hospital refused to treat him because that is against the oath that doctors take to save lives (you can google this oath). He did have a bill of $400k but that debt cannot be passed onto the next of kin (up or down), in this case his mother was or is not legally bound to pay the medical debt. Maybe if you can explain these 2 things to your grandfather and see if he still feels the same way.
Also, I don't know if employee insurance is mandatory to run an electoral campaign since it is entirely based off donations which probably makes it a non-profit organization. End of the day, Ron Paul didn't LET his employee die, he died of natural causes (pneumonia) as far as we all know. If Ron Paul was the physician treating Kent, would you think Paul would let him die? then how can we place any blame on Paul for Kent's death?
Thanks. I'm going to try to focus on the fact that he did receive the best care possible and his family wasn't made to pay his bill.
Here's the link to the video we're discussing:
http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2011/09/14/tsr-todd-ron-paul-uninsured.cnn.html
RKoho
09-14-2011, 05:03 PM
Here is the video on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRpD3YQmqvo&feature=feedu
And I would tell your grandfather that he did get full care. That's what the bills were. And I would find it ridiculous to expect Paul to pay the entire 400,000. Last time I checked Paul has about 4 million in life savings. It's a great wealth saved but not that he should go around paying the bills of everyone he knows. Paul has family to care for and leave something behind for when he dies. Now if Paul had like 20 million, 200 million, or billions then I'd find it morally questionable to not help out a friend. Alas, that point is moot because Kent did receive healthcare.
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 05:05 PM
Here's the link to the video we're discussing:
http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2011/09/14/tsr-todd-ron-paul-uninsured.cnn.html
That's the one.
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 05:07 PM
Here is the video on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRpD3YQmqvo&feature=feedu
And I would tell your grandfather that he did get full care. That's what the bills were. And I would find it ridiculous to expect Paul to pay the entire 400,000. Last time I checked Paul has about 4 million in life savings. It's a great wealth saved but not that he should go around paying the bills of everyone he knows. Paul has family to care for and leave something behind for when he dies. Now if Paul had like 20 million, 200 million, or billions then I'd find it morally questionable to not help out a friend. Alas, that point is moot because Kent did receive healthcare.
Right. It's not like Ron Paul has 100s of millions of dollars like Romney and the other globalist puppets do.
sailingaway
09-14-2011, 05:10 PM
No he just thinks that Ron Paul is a POS for not paying the $400,000 bill himself and apparently somehow thinks that RP let him die.
Exactly how rich does he think Ron is? Does your grandpa pay the bills of all the people he knows?
Sorry, I don't know what to do with that one.
You can point out that he never took medicare or medicaid when practicing but never turned anyone away because of inability to pay, either. He also moonlighted at a charity hospital when he was in the airforce, for $3 an hour. Had the government not destroyed that system, it would have covered Kent, too.
jct74
09-14-2011, 05:14 PM
tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRpD3YQmqvo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRpD3YQmqvo
sailingaway
09-14-2011, 05:19 PM
Here's the link to the video we're discussing:
http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2011/09/14/tsr-todd-ron-paul-uninsured.cnn.html
thanks.
and his family said, while the donation fund was still ongoing, that they were not being asked to pay the bills, which likely impacted the total raised, after that point.
And add this. Kent knew he had a preexisting condition that kept him from getting insurance. Yet he fought to get Ron Paul to run for President, thinking his message was the best for this country.
KramerDSP
09-14-2011, 05:47 PM
Was Ron blindsided by this question? it seems like there should be a "first thing in the morning" brief of the news items and things he might be asked about. I sincerely believe that if a couple hundred of us saw those Snyder articles and anticipated them, someone on his campaign must have as well, and should have given him a heads up. He clearly looked blindsided by the question and had a really pregnant pause.
Cdn_for_liberty
09-14-2011, 05:48 PM
tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRpD3YQmqvo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRpD3YQmqvo
the reporting there was pretty fair but why couldn't they be fair during the debates? this is b/s.
Ronpauljones
09-14-2011, 05:54 PM
Exactly how rich does he think Ron is? Does your grandpa pay the bills of all the people he knows?
Sorry, I don't know what to do with that one.
You can point out that he never took medicare or medicaid when practicing but never turned anyone away because of inability to pay, either. He also moonlighted at a charity hospital when he was in the airforce, for $3 an hour. Had the government not destroyed that system, it would have covered Kent, too.
I guess he thinks Ron has millions and millions of dollars like Romney and the rest do.
sailingaway
09-14-2011, 05:58 PM
He's just a doctor, and an honest one. He refused the government pension, too, so he has to live on what he saved, just like your grandpa.
Crickett
09-14-2011, 06:04 PM
Kent had a pre-existing condition and knew he was going to die. That is why he quit a VERY lucrative job to work on the RP campaign to begin with. He probably would have had health insurance if all the regulations did not prevent him from getting it..as it is, he died. The hospital had to write off what he did not pay, to bad debt. If he had lived, I am certain with our help, he would have made payments on the bill until it was paid off.
Brian4Liberty
09-14-2011, 06:22 PM
Wolf Blitzer and the reporter are ignoring the elephant in the room: $400,000.00 in extortion money. The crime here is the price tag. There is absolutely no moral justification for that price tag. It is a crime of extortion against patients and their families at their weakest moments.
Having a discussion about who will come up with enough money to pay a robber is ludicrous.
Dianne
09-14-2011, 06:22 PM
Actually my view, is that this was a total CNN set up. The previous questioning had to do with the Federal Reserve, which we all know, Ron Paul has been calling for audits over a decade, at least... Blitzer (who I might add, was the worst player on Jeopardy in the history of the game), a complete mental midgit.. asks Ron Paul the medical question, since he is a Doctor. The guy who yells "let him die" were hired hands. Paul looked as stunned as all of us were.
Believe me, the news media fears Ron Paul beyond belief. I think Blitzer, being the idiot that he is, was just as shocked as all of us. But he was given the questions, he asked them; his station CNN set up the entire thing.
If it were that easy to comment, clap or retort... Ron Paul supporters would have dominated the eveing.. So convenient microphones for the very few, two, proves again what frauds CNN are. And we could easily expose them, in my view.
Butchie
09-14-2011, 06:23 PM
Was Ron blindsided by this question? it seems like there should be a "first thing in the morning" brief of the news items and things he might be asked about. I sincerely believe that if a couple hundred of us saw those Snyder articles and anticipated them, someone on his campaign must have as well, and should have given him a heads up. He clearly looked blindsided by the question and had a really pregnant pause.
I actually thought that was good, when he was asked I really thought Ron looked like he had just been kicked in the gut by it, not from shock, just the pain of his loss, I thought it made him look alot more human, he had a genuine emotional response from my view, guess we all interpret things different tho.
Tarzan
09-14-2011, 06:29 PM
I dislike how the media seems to be ignoring that Kent wasn't insured because of what appears to be AIDS.
Well, I hate it that the media and others are trying to use this to attack RP... or bring it up at all.
So, hit them back... go up front with the AIDS issue... they will drop the whole thing.
You can't say anything about AIDS victims without being politically incorrect and I suspect they will back off.
JohnGalt23g
09-14-2011, 06:33 PM
Guys, this report not only made Ron look incredibly human, it also made him look incredibly right.
speciallyblend
09-14-2011, 06:36 PM
My grandpa seen this on CNN about an hour ago and is pissed at Ron Paul for not paying Kent's medical bill. He said Ron lost his vote.
I'm pissed that my grandpa would come to that conclusion.
Can anyone help me come up with something to say? I think I can get my grandpa back on board if I explain it in the right manner.
dare i suggest to you if he is that angry about kents bill, he can pay it!!
KramerDSP
09-14-2011, 07:02 PM
dare i suggest to you if he is that angry about kents bill, he can pay it!!
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to speciallyblend again.
KramerDSP
09-14-2011, 07:03 PM
I actually thought that was good, when he was asked I really thought Ron looked like he had just been kicked in the gut by it, not from shock, just the pain of his loss, I thought it made him look alot more human, he had a genuine emotional response from my view, guess we all interpret things different tho.
Guys, this report not only made Ron look incredibly human, it also made him look incredibly right.
I'm glad I'm in the minority. I am going to rewatch this again, but I do agree Ron looked like he was kicked in the gut by it.
Brian4Liberty
09-14-2011, 08:08 PM
dare i suggest to you if he is that angry about kents bill, he can pay it!!
No, he would prefer that you and I chip in to pay hundreds of thousands of these individual criminal extortion payments. That will solve the problem. :rolleyes:
linusPAULing
09-14-2011, 09:37 PM
Wolf Blitzer and the reporter are ignoring the elephant in the room: $400,000.00 in extortion money. The crime here is the price tag. There is absolutely no moral justification for that price tag. It is a crime of extortion against patients and their families at their weakest moments.
Having a discussion about who will come up with enough money to pay a robber is ludicrous.
Raking up a $400,000 bill is indeed the real controversy here!
Hospitals automatically charge more than they expect to receive. They have even been known to look up patients' retirement information to gauge how much a given patient is capable of paying.
At least in today's system the maximum amount the hospital was capable of extorting in this case was $50K. Once the system is successfully socialized the taxpayers will be forced to pay the full $400K! And then you wonder why the Medical Industrial Complex wants ObamaCare so badly.
tremendoustie
09-14-2011, 09:45 PM
From before corporations used the government to destroy the free market in medicine, when they actually had to compete for people's business:
http://www.theunnecesarean.com/storage/santamonica-inside.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=128957138140 7
tremendoustie
09-14-2011, 09:52 PM
This is from Santa Monica hospital, by the way, in 1947. Here's the front:
http://www.theunnecesarean.com/storage/santamonica-outside.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=12895713456 37
tremendoustie
09-14-2011, 09:53 PM
I think this is worth spreading around, to show people the degree to which government bureaucratization destroys accountability and efficiency.
WilliamC
09-14-2011, 10:10 PM
Actually my view, is that this was a total CNN set up. The previous questioning had to do with the Federal Reserve, which we all know, Ron Paul has been calling for audits over a decade, at least... Blitzer (who I might add, was the worst player on Jeopardy in the history of the game), a complete mental midgit.. asks Ron Paul the medical question, since he is a Doctor. The guy who yells "let him die" were hired hands. Paul looked as stunned as all of us were.
Believe me, the news media fears Ron Paul beyond belief. I think Blitzer, being the idiot that he is, was just as shocked as all of us. But he was given the questions, he asked them; his station CNN set up the entire thing.
If it were that easy to comment, clap or retort... Ron Paul supporters would have dominated the eveing.. So convenient microphones for the very few, two, proves again what frauds CNN are. And we could easily expose them, in my view.
Damn girl but you're devious.
+ rep.
Brian4Liberty
09-15-2011, 10:40 AM
From before corporations used the government to destroy the free market in medicine, when they actually had to compete for people's business:
While insurance companies will tell you their "rates" up front for "competitive" purposes (although the hidden fees are outrageous), try asking a Doctor or Dentist for a quote. Most of the time, they act like you are crazy. You want to know before hand how much that will cost? Another answer you will get is that "prices are set by the insurance, it's the same price no matter where you go."
What other business can get away with charging you any amount they want after the fact? Would that not be considered a crime if another industry did that? And the ironic part is that a lot of the time, they probably didn't fix the problem.
"Thanks, Mr. Jones, we fixed your car for you. That will be $50,000.00".
"We finished painting your house Mrs. Smith, our billing department will contact you shortly to tell you that you owe $150,000.00".
linusPAULing
09-15-2011, 11:08 AM
From before corporations used the government to destroy the free market in medicine, when they actually had to compete for people's business:
http://www.theunnecesarean.com/storage/santamonica-inside.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=128957138140 7
This is very interesting. Thanks for posting it!
[QUOTE=linusPAULing;3559189
At least in today's system the maximum amount the hospital was capable of extorting in this case was $50K. Once the system is successfully socialized the taxpayers will be forced to pay the full $400K! And then you wonder why the Medical Industrial Complex wants ObamaCare so badly.[/QUOTE]
There is much more to this issue. Hospitals are rarely if ever "extorting" money from patients. There are several factors here but included are the rising costs of anything healthcare related due to private insurance.
A big issue is the payor mix of patients in hospitals is changing radically due to the economy. Less and less private insurance and more and more Medicare/Medicaid. There has also been a drastic drop in services the privately insured seek, let alone the uninsured. We have seen a trend whereby even folks who are insured decline treatment as they cannot afford the deductibles on their policies.
The federal government does not reimburse hospitals for what care actually costs. Hospitals then have to pick up the tab. Hospitals are forced to operate at a loss. Many hospitals around the country are facing huge budget shortfalls. Medicare/Medicaid payments are scheduled to decrease going forward, adding to the problem. If a hospital is to remain in business it must raise prices to its insured customers and the insurance companies of course pass that along and the vicious cycle continues.
Many hospitals are operating at 2-7% profit at this point. If one was in business for themselves, 7% profit would be terrifyingly low.
My grandpa seen this on CNN about an hour ago and is pissed at Ron Paul for not paying Kent's medical bill. He said Ron lost his vote.
I'm pissed that my grandpa would come to that conclusion.
Can anyone help me come up with something to say? I think I can get my grandpa back on board if I explain it in the right manner.
The video said the campaign paid for $50,000 of it. What were they supposed to do, pay all $400,000? Where is that money going to come from? The campaign? Think of the headlines, "Paul campaign funnels money from supporters to pay for $400,000 bill of staffer who doesn't believe in health insurance mandates." Should Ron Paul write a check? $400,000 is more money than millions of people will ever make in their lives. At the time there was a chip in by the grassroots to help pay the bill. If the funds are still coming up short maybe your grandpa would be willing to help.
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