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CaptainAmerica
09-13-2011, 09:09 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/ShoshanaHebshi
(http://twitter.com/#!/ShoshanaHebshi)
Read her Tweets to see how she updated minute by minute of how the government stripped her of her rights while she was on the plane as it landed in Detroit.


Shoshana Hebshi will never forget where she was on the 10th anniversary of Sept. 11.

She and two other airline passengers were handcuffed and strip-searched after flying into Detroit on Sunday.

No charges were filed against Hebshi, a self-described "half-Arab, half-Jewish housewife living in suburban Ohio," or the two men sitting next to her, who were flying in from Denver when the crew of Frontier Airlines Flight 623 alerted authorities that they were reportedly behaving suspiciously.

In a blog post titled "Some real Shock and Awe: Racially profiled and cuffed in Detroit," Hebshi, an American citizen, told her tale of temporary detainment, which she had begun to share with Twitter followers in real-time — until handcuffs were placed on her wrists.

Hebshi, a writer and editor and mother of twin sons, didn't know the other two passengers in Row 12. They were Indian men, she wrote. And they didn't know each other. But they got a lot closer when they were all crammed into the back of a squad car.

What happened, according to Frontier spokesman Peter Kowalchuk, begins with a bathroom.

"One of the males, who was not feeling well, got up to use the restroom during the flight. The other male got up at approximately the same time to use the restroom. The female remained seated in her row," the FBI said in a statement.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44501310/ns/us_news-security/?GT1=43001#.TnAaTWq8ySo


An agent thanked her for being cooperative, she wrote. "'It's 9/11 and people are seeing ghosts. They are seeing things that aren't there.' He said they had to act on a report of suspicious behavior, and this is what the reaction looks like. He said there had been 50 other similar incidents across the country that day."


Among the other incidents: An American Airlines flight from Los Angeles also reported a security threat Sunday, and was shadowed by F-16s "out of an abundance of caution," the FBI said in a statement; and in Dallas, a rented moving truck parked at a curb at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport driven by a crew member of the Discovery Channel show "Sons of Guns" also caused a scare. Investigators were suspicious because the driver said, "I got a couple of guns," but FBI said he was just waiting for a co-worker. <<<WTF!!!!!!? F-16's shadowing an airline?

Ronulus
09-13-2011, 09:23 PM
Wow. This is what we have become? I wonder what tax dollars were used on those f-16 escorts.... the party of less spending i'm sure approves of this.

hazek
09-13-2011, 09:23 PM
I think this was already posted, or did I read it on DailyPaul?

Anyway I dunno how she managed to cooperate with them, probably out of fear. But as I read her story I was wondering what I would do in the same spot. It could very well happen that I would never see the light of day again if I, like I right now like to think I would, refused to cooperate and just remained silent without a lawyer present. Can you imagine having done nothing wrong and being treated like an animal? I think it would piss me off so much I'd be willing to endure a lot of discomfort when I wouldn't cooperate just so that I could stick it back to them later with a lawsuit if they'd ever release me again.

But w/e. Luckily I am from Europe and fortunately my country all though a still pretty socialists one doesn't have such an oppressive gestapo policies just yet and even if I did ever have some wishes to visit the States I am now more and more inclined to never travel to your country.

KCIndy
09-13-2011, 10:00 PM
Captain America, thanks for posting.



This is absolutely insane.

Everyone - and I mean everyone - should read Ms. Hebshi's account of what happened:

http://shebshi.wordpress.com/2011/09/12/some-real-shock-and-awe-racially-profiled-and-cuffed-in-detroit/

I challenge anyone to read it and not have a blood pressure spike. What are we coming to as a country? This woman, along with two other completely innocent passengers, were handcuffed, locked up like the worst sort of criminal, strip searched, and denied access to phone calls and any sort of information about why they were being detained. I have no idea how this woman managed to maintain her composure during this ordeal. In her place, I don't think I could have been as calm. Hell, I KNOW I couldn't have been as calm.

And the reason for this atrocity?


...the crew reported that two people were spending "an extraordinarily long time" in a bathroom, Frontier spokesman Peter Kowalchuck said.

WTF?

I repeat: this is absolutely insane.

People laughed at Ron Paul when he talked about the TSA molesting citizens. What's it going to take? When are enough people going to wake up to what's really happening to us as a country? :(

moderate libertarian
09-13-2011, 10:11 PM
Domestic and foreign policies can no longer be separated, not surprsising at all.

This news reminded me of this post as ironies keep piling up in our living history as it relates to past.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/foreign-ministry-officials-admit-turkey-citizens-routinely-humiliated-at-israel-s-airport-1.382663

This is so ironic considering this youtube of an American woman who was undressed at airport way back. Some sort of blowback?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx153bakIdQ





No charges were filed against Hebshi, a self-described "half-Arab, half-Jewish housewife living in suburban Ohio,"Not often reported but increasingly jewish people have been arrested/discriminated against on US flights since 9/11 and not just arabs. Couple that was arrested after bathroom flight suspicion and caused F-16 scrambe on this 9/11 were Israelis.

Brian4Liberty
09-13-2011, 11:03 PM
Are these the same people they accused of having sex on the plane?

_b_
09-13-2011, 11:08 PM
Are these the same people they accused of having sex on the plane?
These were 2 Indian men, who did not not each other, or her, but all happened to be sitting on the same row.

moderate libertarian
09-13-2011, 11:12 PM
Are these the same people they accused of having sex on the plane?

Do not know about sex part but an Israeli couple and a Russian man were arrested/caused F-16 scramble on 10th anniversary of 9/11 after the trio were reported to be spending too much time in bathroom/locked themselves in the bathroom.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4121416,00.html

KCIndy
09-13-2011, 11:13 PM
Are these the same people they accused of having sex on the plane?


No, (at least I've seen nothing at all to indicate this) these are three innocent passengers who are among the latest to be victimized by the insanely Orwellian "See Something, Say Something" propaganda that's all the rage right now among the so-called authorities and lots of the people they've duped.

Seriously, I encourage *everyone* to read this woman's blog post about what happened. It's clear, concise, very well written, and can be read in just a few minutes:

http://shebshi.wordpress.com/2011/09/12/some-real-shock-and-awe-racially-profiled-and-cuffed-in-detroit/

It will make your blood boil.

Brian4Liberty
09-13-2011, 11:18 PM
Are these the same people they accused of having sex on the plane?

It is the same people!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?315026-Mile-high-club-possibly-to-blame-for-forced-landing-of-Detroit-flight

KCIndy
09-13-2011, 11:27 PM
Are these the same people they accused of having sex on the plane?

It is the same people!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?315026-Mile-high-club-possibly-to-blame-for-forced-landing-of-Detroit-flight



I would be very careful about jumping to conclusions about this.

PLEASE read the woman's blog account of what happened. She never even got up to use the bathroom. The two men did, but she didn't know them.

Also, this news account confirms she never got up:

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/security-situation-with-flight-from-denver-to-metro-airport#ixzz1Xtx8Wn3T

From the article:


People on the plane tell Action News the two men in question spent long periods of time in the plane’s lavatories. It's not clear how the woman was involved.

“They were going back and forth through the aisle,” passenger David Mungia said, describing the behavior of the two men who were taken away by police.

“One of the guys was in the bathroom for at least ten minutes,” Mungia said.

Brian4Liberty
09-13-2011, 11:34 PM
I would be very careful about jumping to conclusions about this.

PLEASE read the woman's blog account of what happened. She never even got up to use the bathroom. The two men did, but she didn't know them.

Also, this news account confirms she never got up:

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/security-situation-with-flight-from-denver-to-metro-airport#ixzz1Xtx8Wn3T

From the article:

I'm sure she is 100% percent innocent. I am also sure that the media, authorities and persons involved who reported the trio are idiots.

KCIndy
09-13-2011, 11:48 PM
I'm sure she is 100% percent innocent. I am also sure that the media, authorities and persons involved who reported the trio are idiots.

I agree.

I'm in awe of the woman for not completely losing it. If it had been me, I would probably have gone ape**** on the TSA goons and would probably still be locked up.

For anyone reading this who hasn't read Ms. Hebshi's account, here is just a small snippet to give the flavor of what she endured:


We arrived at an offsite building and remained in the squad car for a few minutes. The Indian man was taken out of the car first, and an officer stood at the door to make sure I didn’t go anywhere. I asked him several times what was going on and he wouldn’t answer me. It was like I was invisible. I felt so helpless and shocked. I was being treated like a criminal.

Then it was my turn. I got out of the car and was led, still cuffed, to a cell. “Are you serious?” I asked the officer, and he said yes. The heavy metal door was shut and locked behind me. Again, I asked what was going on and why was I here. Finally he said, they will let you know later. They are going to ask you some questions.

I sat down on the metal cot that hung off the wall. It had a thin, green vinyl mattress–mattress is a generous term–that offered no comfort. It was about a 6-by-10 cell, the concrete walls were painted a light yellow but were streaked with black dirt. The floor was some sort of stainless steel, and a stainless steel toilet that has probably never seen the good side of a scrubbing brush, instructed me to keep holding my stretched bladder as long as I could. Near the ceiling above the toilet there was a video camera.

A plainclothes officer stood came to my door and asked me if I spoke English. Something in me snapped at that question. Of course I spoke English I’m an American citizen, you asshole! Well, I left the expletive out. “Ok,” he said and stood watch outside my door saying he wanted to make sure I didn’t “flush anything.” He also wouldn’t tell me what was going on.

http://shebshi.wordpress.com/2011/09/12/some-real-shock-and-awe-racially-profiled-and-cuffed-in-detroit/

I wouldn't normally cut-n-paste something from someone's blog, but I really believe everyone needs to read this. Everyone needs to realize this could just as easily happen to them, or their family.

The next time I hear or read of anyone snickering at Ron Paul's comments about the abusive TSA, or even the idea that the government might use force against its citizens or use a wall to keep people detained, I'm going to point them to this story.

Arrested, handcuffed, held in a shitty little cage like an animal and denied any form of explanation or communication - because your "crime" is sitting next to a couple of guys who spent some time in the john.

Insanity. :(

Mani
09-14-2011, 03:43 AM
So now if you've got diarrhea you could be a suspect.

Anti Federalist
09-14-2011, 12:12 PM
"I can understand they were just doing their job," she told the AP. "My beef is with these laws and regulations that are so hypersensitive. ... Even if you're an innocent bystander, you have no rights."

This is why we fail.

I'm sorry, the enforcers of corrupt, tyrannical or nonsensical laws ought to be held in equal contempt as the law itself.

Calling it "your job" don't make it right.

Besides, that idea was tried once before, at Nuremberg.

Just following orders is not an excuse or defense.

kylejack
09-14-2011, 12:16 PM
Arrested, handcuffed, held in a shitty little cage like an animal and denied any form of explanation or communication - because your "crime" is sitting next to a couple of guys who spent some time in the john.

Insanity. :(
And stripsearched.

CaptainAmerica
09-14-2011, 12:18 PM
Do not know about sex part but an Israeli couple and a Russian man were arrested/caused F-16 scramble on 10th anniversary of 9/11 after the trio were reported to be spending too much time in bathroom/locked themselves in the bathroom.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4121416,00.html

the biggest WTF is the f-16s shadowing airlines on 9/11/2011.......wtf! Does this mean military can blow people out of the sky at the command of the president without any legitimate reason? Obviously the President was commanding the f-16s


PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!! she was not having sex with other men. DUH read the freakin article and twitter account and stop being stupid.

Mani
09-15-2011, 06:29 AM
Surprisingly this thing is blowing up. It's one of the top trending items on Yahoo #6 overall. And there are a TON of articles related to it.

A. Havnes
09-15-2011, 09:20 AM
Poor woman, taken away by the thought police. What is this country coming to? If you're the wrong race and you get up to use the toilet, or the people who are also the wrong race sitting next to you get up to use the toilet, you're basically a terrorist? For some reason, I'm not surprised. Really, this sort of thing has been begging to happen with all of these new laws, and similar things happened before in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, but it's never right. The sick thing is, I bet there are scores of people out there defending this kind of thuggish behavior.