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jct74
09-13-2011, 03:00 PM
Beck says Ron Paul has "sealed it", he could "never ever" vote for Ron Paul, but goes on to agree with some aspects of Ron Paul's foreign policy platform.
http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/09/13/why-was-ron-paul-the-big-loser-in-the-debate-last-night/

Kords21
09-13-2011, 03:03 PM
So Beck would vote for Obama if it's between Obama/Paul? Yeah, let's not listen to the people that attacked us, why they attacked us. It seems that Beck like Santorum just can critcally think and see things for what they are.

ctiger2
09-13-2011, 03:09 PM
Beck would never vote for Paul anyhow. He's a Zionist extremist nutter.

Here's Beck's priority list:

1. Israel
2. Israel
3. Israel
4. Israel
5. Israel
6. Israel
7. Israel
8. Israel
9. Israel
10. The United States

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:10 PM
You can’t export democracy. They don’t want it. They don’t understand it. That’s fine. They attack us. We pound them into glass, and then we go home. We don’t fix their stuff. They don’t have stuff to fix. They don’t mind it. They’re fine with it. Who’re we to impose our values on them? Great. You live any way you want. You screw with us, we pound you back into the stone age where you already are. We drive back into your cave. We kill all the people who tried to kill us, and then we go home,” Glenn said.

“If you want to not mess with us we’ll be your friends. You want to be a friendly state to us. We’ll be friendly state to you. You want to be a jerk we pound you into sand. I’m not so I can spread democracy so I can protect my people, and my economy. I’ll trade with everybody. I’ll help anybody. But you screw with us. You screw with our economy. You screw with our people, I pound you into glass. Period,” Glenn said.

I actually agree with everything he said there. He didn't advocate intervention in that article.

EWM
09-13-2011, 03:14 PM
Beck would never vote for Paul anyhow. He's a Zionist extremist nutter.

Here's Beck's priority list:

1. Israel
2. Israel
3. Israel
4. Israel
5. Israel
6. Israel
7. Israel
8. Israel
9. Israel
10. The United States

I don't think that's true. Many people are just unsure of what will happen to Israel if support is cut off. I personally think they should be free to kick some ass if they want, but I understand the concern. Ron Paul hasn't done much to engage in the discussion.

brandon
09-13-2011, 03:16 PM
Save yourself 10 minutes and don't watch the video OP posted.

Kords21
09-13-2011, 03:16 PM
I forced myself to listen to 95% of it and I dont' quite get what Beck is so angry about. He rails on Paul for his stance on our troops overseas and then goes on to say that we need to pull them back? Then he goes on to say that Bin Laden had Marxist help for defeafting the Soviets. I don't think even Beck knows what he's trying to say. His two butt pals are very Anti-Paul that it's almost a mental condition with them. I still don't understand why it's so wrong to tell people the reasons for being attacked by the people who attacked us. Seems almost Orwellian to say "Damn Ron for telling us why Osama attacked us. He's wrong and it's all about our freedoms/way of life. We know it to be true. Don't bother with listening to the people who attacked us". The sad thing is that people actually fall for it.

What's even funnier to me is that Beck and his ilk will go on about being dependent on gov't for everything. I think that dependencey extends to information as well. Beck will be Beck carrying that torch for Israel and all of thier polices at our expense. Wonder if he's ever heard of the USS Liberty incident.

The Magic Hoof
09-13-2011, 03:17 PM
Can someone clear something up for me? I don't know too much about foreign policy, but from what I've read, I think the USA probably hasn't played their cards 100% right overseas. But here is something I noticed about what Beck said:

Beck said that RP wants to end all of the military bases around the world and bring the troops home. I pretty much agree with that, but the mention of military bases got me thinking... would it really be smarter to not have military bases around the world? Because hypothetically if we were dragged into a war somehow, we wouldn't have any bases to use anywhere and we could benefit from that, at least in a particular way.

I do however, understand that our presence isn't liked over there and that it can potentially make us more unsafe. So basically my question is this: is it legal to have a military base in some other country? Because if so, maybe we can at least shut down 850 of our bases and leave just a few, just in case. Just an idea.

Another thing I want to clarify is this: HOW IN THE WORLD DID WE END UP HAVING 900 BASES AROUND THE WORLD IN THE FIRST PLACE? What was our reasoning for it? Did some other country screw with us so we had to occupy all 130? If so, give me links to it. Did someone instigate something that made us want to? Or did we actually just march in there and install a base for a completely, utterly 'just in case' future-proof scenario?

AJ187
09-13-2011, 03:18 PM
You can’t export democracy. They don’t want it. They don’t understand it. That’s fine. They attack us. We pound them into glass, and then we go home. We don’t fix their stuff. They don’t have stuff to fix. They don’t mind it. They’re fine with it. Who’re we to impose our values on them? Great. You live any way you want. You screw with us, we pound you back into the stone age where you already are. We drive back into your cave. We kill all the people who tried to kill us, and then we go home,” Glenn said.

“If you want to not mess with us we’ll be your friends. You want to be a friendly state to us. We’ll be friendly state to you. You want to be a jerk we pound you into sand. I’m not so I can spread democracy so I can protect my people, and my economy. I’ll trade with everybody. I’ll help anybody. But you screw with us. You screw with our economy. You screw with our people, I pound you into glass. Period,” Glenn said.

I actually agree with everything he said there. He didn't advocate intervention in that article.

I don't think beck ever served in the Armed Forces. What a hawk.

amyre
09-13-2011, 03:21 PM
Save yourself 10 minutes and don't watch the video OP posted.
Sincerely, thank you for the heads up. I was going to watch it, but don't feel as though my blood pressure has fully returned to normal after the debate-booing last night. I'll skip this one, and move along.

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:22 PM
I don't think beck ever served in the Armed Forces. What a hawk.

But the weird thing is that Beck spouts non interventionist rhetoric in this video that is similiar to what Ron usually says. But yet he still criticizes Ron for whatever reason. It just seems like people like Beck don't like the way the Ron frames his foreign policy views, rather than disagreeing with his actual foreign policy views. Like I've said before, Ron has a messaging problem. He has to change that if he wants to have any chance at all to win the GOP primary.

Kords21
09-13-2011, 03:23 PM
@the magic hoof: I think the reason why we have so many bases around the world is that it's profitable for the host country. When I was deployed to Kuwait at the very start of Iraqi Freedom the land in Kuwait thay my camp was on was being leased by the Kuwaiti gov't at very staggering price/day. Kuwiat just like all these other companies like Haliburton and KBR made a killing off that war. The left is always talking about the the virtues of European socialism, but the US taxpayer subsidizes that by having our military bases there. If Germany can save say 20 billion/year on defense cause the US is there then of course they can afford social programs. Is it any wonder that our social programs are broke?

TNforPaul45
09-13-2011, 03:25 PM
This absolutely proves my point that the Paul campaign needs to dedicate time to an Official Foreign Policy video, because there is SO much misinformation and misunderstanding and skew regarding his stances.

He cannot answer a question like this in 30 seconds.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?315350-Its-time-for-an-Official-Campaign-foreign-policy-clarification-vid

No Free Beer
09-13-2011, 03:25 PM
its pretty disturbing that he doesnt seem to understand the difference between an isolationist and a non-interventionist. Sad indeed.

HRD53
09-13-2011, 03:26 PM
But the weird thing is that Beck spouts non interventionist rhetoric in this video that is similiar to what Ron usually says. But yet he still criticizes Ron for whatever reason. It just seems like people like Beck don't like the way the Ron frames his foreign policy views, rather than disagreeing with his actual foreign policy views. Like I've said before, Ron has a messaging problem. He has to change that if he wants to have any chance at all to win the GOP primary.

I agree 100% with what you just said... I'm really starting to think Rand will be the better messenger... I just hope its not a diluted message!

The Magic Hoof
09-13-2011, 03:26 PM
But I mean, when we occupied these countries, was there any official explanation or news release about why we're building these bases and going over to these countries? And also, I understand how it's beneficial for the host country, but what's the story about how it's beneficial for us?

Billay
09-13-2011, 03:26 PM
Glenn was probably sauced when he made those comments.

wizardwatson
09-13-2011, 03:27 PM
I didn't watch the debate but after watching this GB clip I am now more cynical about our prospects in 2012.

I mean WTF? did we not go over this shit about what caused 9/11 in 2008? Same retarded line issued from Santorums mouth about them hating us because of our "exceptionalism". If these douchebags actually believe this tripe then they are as intelligent as 12 year olds.

I'm just sick of this shit for real. No one cares about the truth, its all about me, me, me. My talk show. My audience. My ideas. My money. My election. My legacy. Seriously though, this foreign policy shit should be a no-brainer. I can forgive douchebags and their retarded economic policies because understanding economics requires a little effort. But a 10 year old could deduce what the proper action should be related to foreign policy.

Anyway, I could rant all day, just pure disgust. If we can't get some consensus on a sane foreign policy this country deserves whatever comes our way.

EDIT: oh, yeah, and this clip forever ended whatever speck of desire I had to listen or read what douchebag GB thinks on anything.

AuH20
09-13-2011, 03:28 PM
But the weird thing is that Beck spouts non interventionist rhetoric in this video that is similiar to what Ron usually says. But yet he still criticizes Ron for whatever reason. It just seems like people like Beck don't like the way the Ron frames his foreign policy views, rather than disagreeing with his actual foreign policy views. Like I've said before, Ron has a messaging problem. He has to change that if he wants to have any chance at all to win the GOP primary.

Ron has the George McGovern problem which I documented. He talks like George McGovern, in that U.S. is always the only problem and always with a tinge of pacifism, so it's only natural to see conservatives like Glenn recoil in horror. Ron acts like an apologist for Palestinians and Iranians, instead of simply saying "they don't deserve our attention." Also, Ron always likes to twist the dagger. That's what really pisses people off and I understand why.

pcosmar
09-13-2011, 03:28 PM
But, But, but,,,,

Beck is our friend,,,,
He's coming around,,,
he's on our side,,,
:(
Bullshit. He is a Propagandist. A professional manipulator of public opinion.

Kords21
09-13-2011, 03:28 PM
Well it's not beneficial for the American people, but it's very beneficial for all the corporations that have their tentacles into our gov't. As far as what's said in news releases in other countries, I'm with you, not really sure how they get the people to go along with it, unless like I said they announce it then say that it'll save the country X amount of money to spend on the people. Either way the American people are getting played. The best that we get is to wave the flag and listen to Toby Keith?

michaelkellenger
09-13-2011, 03:30 PM
Isn't Beck a former drug addict and alcoholic (probably still is). Not to mention he must have some type of mental disorder.

miyavi
09-13-2011, 03:31 PM
I do agree with glen beck when he says we don't fix their countries LOL thats about it and bring troops home.

RP Supporter
09-13-2011, 03:34 PM
The last time I saw Beck interview Paul he made sure to finish by asking him his stance on Israel.

I am so sick of Israel. True third rail of American politics.

So yeah. Beck's still a neocon. God Forbid we ever do anything but just bomb countries that disagree with us.

phill4paul
09-13-2011, 03:36 PM
But, But, but,,,,

Beck is our friend,,,,
He's coming around,,,
he's on our side,,,
:(
Bullshit. He is a Propagandist. A professional manipulator of public opinion.

Ha! Are people STILL defending this P.O.S. LOL.

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:36 PM
Ron has the George McGovern problem which I documented. He talks like George McGovern, in that U.S. is always the only problem and always with a tinge of pacifism, so it's only natural to see conservatives like Glenn recoil in horror. Ron acts like an apologist for Palestinians and Iranians, instead of simply saying "they don't deserve our attention." Also, Ron always likes to twist the dagger. That's what really pisses people off and I understand why.

Yeah. This is what I posted on Facebook regarding what Ron should've said in the debate. You can support non intervention and still sound tough at the same time.

"I don't believe that we deserved to get attacked on 9-11. I'm not blaming America for the attacks on 9-11. I believe that we got attacked by a dispicable group of terrorists, and we had every right to defend ourselves and fight back. However, we should not have attacked countries that had nothing to do with 9-11 such as Iraq, and we should not be nation building in Afghanistan. Having our troops spread out so thin around the world takes away from our defenses here at home and makes us less safe. Also, even though we have good intentions when we intervene overseas, sometimes there are unintended consequences to our actions. Our foreign policy decisions do not justify attacks on our soil, but we need to be careful not to further inflame Muslims in the Middle East. We would be better off trying to bring moderate Muslims over to our side."

AuH20
09-13-2011, 03:36 PM
I agree 100% with what you just said... I'm really starting to think Rand will be the better messenger... I just hope its not a diluted message!

I sincerely hope that Ron's baggage doesn't follow Rand in the future. You know sure as well, they're going to dig up some of Ron's controversial statements and stick it to Rand's forehead, when the time is right.

Chester Copperpot
09-13-2011, 03:37 PM
That video made no sense. Glen Beck contradicts himself. First he says Ron Paul is a wrong about foreign policy, but then goes on how he supports the same foreign policy as Ron Paul.

WTF???

fearthereaperx
09-13-2011, 03:38 PM
That video just proves the cognitive dissonance beginning to resound throughout the neo-cons and pro-war crowd.

He basically totally rips Paul on foreign policy at the start of the video than, not realizing it, completely agrees with him on foreign policy towards the end of the video when Beck starts logically framing the argument in his own words. He's trying to have it both ways, but he can't.

AuH20
09-13-2011, 03:38 PM
That video made no sense. Glen Beck contradicts himself. First he says Ron Paul is a wrong about foreign policy, but then goes on how he supports the same foreign policy as Ron Paul.

WTF???

I told you that Ron's rhetoric is poisonous as opposed to his policies. He has a major messaging problem.

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:40 PM
That video just proves the cognitive dissonance beginning to resound throughout the neo-cons and pro-war crowd.

He basically totally rips Paul on foreign policy at the start of the video than, not realizing it, completely agrees with him on foreign policy towards the end of the video when Beck starts logically framing the argument in his own words. He's trying to have it both ways, but he can't.

Yes, it should be quite clear to everybody that Ron has a big messaging problem. His foreign policy views would be quite popular among Republicans if they were just framed in the right way.

Chieppa1
09-13-2011, 03:41 PM
Why do we still care about Beck?

sluggo
09-13-2011, 03:44 PM
Glenn Beck is a dangerous extremist who urges his flock to send their children off to die in wars that make us less safe and less free.

He is a fringe-dwelling kook who should be shunned by thinking people everywhere.

Chieppa1
09-13-2011, 03:45 PM
+rep.

Chieppa1
09-13-2011, 03:45 PM
Glenn Beck is a dangerous extremist who urges his flock to send their children off to die in wars that make us less safe and less free.

He is a fringe-dwelling kook who should be shunned by thinking people everywhere.

+rep

wizardwatson
09-13-2011, 03:46 PM
Yes, it should be quite clear to everybody that Ron has a big messaging problem. His foreign policy views would be quite popular among Republicans if they were just framed in the right way.

There's nothing wrong with RP's message. They are just saying that Ron "agrees" with OBL which is slanderous. Ron is right on foreign policy and everyone else is wrong. Rather than debate actual policy points they try to frame Ron as some sort of terrorist enabler. Makes me sick.

To me foreign policy is not one of many issues, it is THE issue. And the response these people are giving to Ron's stance is appalling, disgusting, and intellectually dishonest.

The hubris of people in this country concerning foreign policy is just mind-boggling.

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:47 PM
Glenn Beck is a dangerous extremist who urges his flock to send their children off to die in wars that make us less safe and less free.

He is a fringe-dwelling kook who should be shunned by thinking people everywhere.

Did you actually listen to the video? He said that he supports ending the wars overseas, which is the same position that Ron has. He just disagrees with the way that Ron presents the issue.

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:48 PM
There's nothing wrong with RP's message. They are just saying that Ron "agrees" with OBL which is slanderous. Ron is right on foreign policy and everyone else is wrong. Rather than debate actual policy points they try to frame Ron as some sort of terrorist enabler. Makes me sick.

To me foreign policy is not one of many issues, it is THE issue. And the response these people are giving to Ron's stance is appalling, disgusting, and intellectually dishonest.

The hubris of people in this country concerning foreign policy is just mind-boggling.

Right, there is nothing wrong with Ron Paul's message. There's just a big problem with the way that he frames his message. In the last two minutes of this video, Beck completely agrees with Ron's foreign policy views but just frames it in a completely different way.

misconstrued
09-13-2011, 03:49 PM
That video is infuriating. How fucking stupid can people be. Beck attacks Ron Paul and then contradicts himself entirely. I don't even get what pissed him off because he says we should not be over there and our foreign policy is wrong and he starts quoting Bin Laden himself after screaming about Ron Paul quoting Bin Laden. It boggles the mind.

fearthereaperx
09-13-2011, 03:50 PM
I told you that Ron's rhetoric is poisonous as opposed to his policies. He has a major messaging problem.

He knows this..he's mentioned before that he is: 'an imperfect messenger carrying a perfect message'

And his rhetoric is common sense and the truth which should never be considered poisonous. Sure, others might be able to package the message better stylistically, but, I doubt they would have the balls necessary for it to carry the weight it actually needs to generate enough controversy so that the message gets out, in the first place, in the mainstream--something which Ron Paul has succeeded in doing so thus far.

sluggo
09-13-2011, 03:50 PM
Did you actually listen to the video? He said that he supports ending the wars overseas, which is the same position that Ron has. He just disagrees with the way that Ron presents the issue.

No, I didn't. And I won't.

He's a fraud, always has been, always will be.

I'm sorry that so many people get taken in by his crap, but he is what he is.

AuH20
09-13-2011, 03:50 PM
Yes, it should be quite clear to everybody that Ron has a big messaging problem. His foreign policy views would be quite popular among Republicans if they were just framed in the right way.

I think that he's been marginalized for so long, that any recognition of this fact has been thrown out the window. Ron projects himself like a fringe candidate instead of a prime contender, which he was when these primaries started. I can understand where he's coming from, but it's still an incredible waste of resources. 2012 was not supposed to look like 2008, but sure enough it's back.

bubbleboy
09-13-2011, 03:50 PM
I've seen this over and over again with GB. He is a Trojan Horse!

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:51 PM
He knows this..he's mentioned before that he is: 'an imperfect messenger carrying a perfect message'

And his rhetoric is common sense and the truth which should never be considered poisonous. Sure, others might be able to package the message better stylistically, but, I doubt they would have the balls necessary for it to carry the weight it actually needs to generate enough controversy so that the message gets out, in the first place, in the mainstream--something which Ron Paul has succeeded in doing so thus far.

If Ron just wants to get a message out, he's succeeded in doing that. If he actually wants to have a chance to win the GOP nomination, he has to change the way that he frames these issues.

wizardwatson
09-13-2011, 03:52 PM
Right, there is nothing wrong with Ron Paul's message. There's just a big problem with the way that he frames his message. In the last two minutes of this video, Beck completely agrees with Ron's foreign policy views but just frames it in a completely different way.

Yeah, I watched the video and got that GB was trying to back-pedal into his own version of what the foreign policy should be, but the stickler for me is that he's painting Ron as a terrorist enabler.

What is Ron to do to perfect his message? Stop talking about foreign policy? Stop bringing up real reasons why they attack us? I don't see any way for Ron to do this.

The main point Ron brings is that there's no reason for us to be at war. The main point of GB and nearly everyone else on both sides of the aisle is that there is a reason.

Anyway, not picking a fight with you, I'm just peeved after watching that video.

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:53 PM
I think that he's been marginalized for so long, that any cognizance of this fact has been thrown out the window. Ron projects himself like a fringe candidate instead of a contender which he was when these primaries started. I can understand where he's coming from, but it's still an incredible waste of resources. 2012 was not supposed to look like 2008, but sure enough it's back.

Unfortunately, that just seems to be Ron's personality. He's just so honest that he has to say whatever comes to his mind. He can't ever think of what the politically smart thing to say is. That's why he'll likely never be President, and his son has a great chance to become President someday.

sluggo
09-13-2011, 03:55 PM
Has Glenn Beck volunteered to fight yet?

I'm sure our troops could use a dry-drunk crybaby at their side. Look out terrorists!

johnrocks
09-13-2011, 03:55 PM
No, I didn't. And I won't.

He's a fraud, always has been, always will be.

I'm sorry that so many people get taken in by his crap, but he is what he is.
I feel the same way about Beck;used to like him; but he's made too made too many disparaging remarks over the years for my tastes.

AuH20
09-13-2011, 03:55 PM
If Ron just wants to get a message out, he's succeeded in doing that. If he actually wants to have a chance to win the GOP nomination, he has to change the way that he frames these issues.

Imagine for a second, you or I were running for the democratic party nomination and started championing "capitalism" and "the right to work"? What do you think the end result would be? Words carry weight and you have to be extremely careful of word selection. This concept simply escapes Ron because he's been exiled to the wilderness for so long.

Zatch
09-13-2011, 03:55 PM
Was just listening to a free trial of GBTV and he mentioned Ron again and called his answer on 9/11 "disturbing".

pauladin
09-13-2011, 03:56 PM
Save yourself 10 minutes and don't watch the video OP posted.

didn't watch it. and thanks for remind that beck ain't worth a damn second of my time. f*** that guy.

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:57 PM
What is Ron to do to perfect his message? Stop talking about foreign policy? Stop bringing up real reasons why they attack us? I don't see any way for Ron to do this.

Why does he need to talk about why they attacked us at all? He isn't actually going to convince very many GOP voters using that argument. Why not just focus on the costs of our intervention? Why not focus on the fact that intervention overseas takes away from our defenses here at home? Why not just make the argument that in order to be a consistent supporter of limited government, you have to support limited government both at home and abroad? Why can't he just point out that all of the other candidates support a big government foreign policy, and he supports a small government foreign policy?

Brett85
09-13-2011, 03:59 PM
Imagine for a second, you or I running for the democratic party nomination and started championing "capitalism" and "the right to work"? What do you think the end result would be? Words carry weight and you have to be extremely careful of word selection. This concept simply escapes Ron because he's been exiled to the wilderness for so long.

Yes, it almost seems like Ron sometimes thinks that he's running in the Democratic primary. Ron should be able to frame his rhetoric to make a non interventionist foreign policy sound like a conservative foreign policy. Rand is the prime example of someone who does that.

Fort Lauderdale
09-13-2011, 04:04 PM
Beck and his sidekick are criticizing Ron Paul because he said the whole Muslim world hates us and is attacking us, when Santorum only mentioned Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, not the whole Muslim world.

Travlyr
09-13-2011, 04:05 PM
“I really believe that Ron Paul is real trouble in the Middle East. Real real trouble in the Middle East. He has it wrong. Every step of the way,” Glenn said.

Except,
The wars are not declared according to just war theory or the constitution, it is immoral to use remote control bombs to kill innocent people, our occupation causes blowback on Americans, it takes away our liberties, and we can no longer afford the empire. The fiat money system is crashing, we need to come home, defend ourselves, and rebuild our country by adhering to the rule of law and constitutional honest sound money.

At least that's what I've heard him say. Ron Paul is getting his message out just fine.

Foreign Occupation Leads to More Terror (http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2011/09/12/foreign-occupation-leads-to-more-terror/) - by Ron Paul


"The truth is that ending these misguided wars and occupations will make us safer, more prosperous, and more free." - Ron Paul

LibertyEagle
09-13-2011, 04:08 PM
Why does he need to talk about why they attacked us at all? He isn't actually going to convince very many GOP voters using that argument. Why not just focus on the costs of our intervention? Why not focus on the fact that intervention overseas takes away from our defenses here at home? Why not just make the argument that in order to be a consistent supporter of limited government, you have to support limited government both at home and abroad? Why can't he just point out that all of the other candidates support a big government foreign policy, and he supports a small government foreign policy?

He was doing that at the beginning of the campaign, but somewhere along the line he just reverted back to '07.


He knows this..he's mentioned before that he is: 'an imperfect messenger carrying a perfect message'

Last time I checked Doug Wead was still employed by the campaign. The resource is sitting right there to help Dr. Paul, if he would only utilize it.

If he wants to win, he will.

Legend1104
09-13-2011, 04:21 PM
I have finally changed my mind on Beck. I truely dislike that man now. I will never respect Glenn Beck again (unless he gets on his hands and knees, kisses Ron Paul's hands, and then asks for forgiveness for everything he every said). I have always held out hope, but now that hope is gone from me. I am just glad that he lost his show and will soon fade into distant memory.

Working Poor
09-13-2011, 04:35 PM
I don't like beck at all i hate the sound of his stupid voice too.

EcuadiorFreedom
09-13-2011, 04:41 PM
Ron Paul needs a new strategy here. He needs to have the respect of the neo-cons. And the only thing these people respect is fear. Ron Paul needs to develop a fear of not being prepared here at home. He needs to stop talking about why we were attacked on 9/11 but say the best response to 9/11 would have been to protect us here at home. Obviously we were attacked here. Our fighter jets did not respond in time. There were many failures of our defenses at home. Moving our troops overseas is not fixing these problems.

In Katrina, we saw a catastrophic failure. It took troops 3 days to respond. All of our national guard are in Iraq. What would happen if we are attacked again? We can't have this dismal response time.

He needs to crank up the fear to win this argument - as much as I dislike this tactic - the only way these people react is by fear.

How about a list of things we are dismally unprepared for - an EMP attack - a 9.5 earthquake in LA? Just ask the questions - would we have enough troops here at home to respond? How many Americans would lose their lives because we are not ready at home

We really need to scare these people - Ron Paul needs to scare these people before they will listen....

fearthereaperx
09-13-2011, 04:45 PM
If Ron just wants to get a message out, he's succeeded in doing that. If he actually wants to have a chance to win the GOP nomination, he has to change the way that he frames these issues.

Political elections are about winning and pandering and making sure to always side with what's hot in the polls rather than sticking with your guns. Is Ron Paul doing that? Ron's goal, like it or not, is to change the course of history, either through winning the nomination and/or winning the hearts and minds of people, especially, in re-educating the younger generation through his philosophical, liberty-minded musings/teachings of self-reliance. While framing the message in a less offensive manner might congeal the base and put him in a better situation in a political race, it also is failing to leak out the inconvient truths which are necessary to be cognizant of for the masses to make true lasting change. If Ron Paul fails on that end, the totality of the message fails and will lose its luster and that's when the OTHER SIDE re-claims authority on those ideas. We don't want our message to fizzle out. All we have to do is just look at Obama to figure out how that can easily happen. Don't make the message of freedom to be built up as a paper tiger; rushing it through will do that.

Fight Incrementalism in Tyranny with Incrementalism in Freedom with truth not half-truths.

So, yes, Ron Paul is running two campaigns in the best way he possibly can IMO. And I am sure he's constantly battling with this inside of him as well, but he's certainly doing the right thing.

vita3
09-13-2011, 04:45 PM
F Glenn Beck.

Kords21
09-13-2011, 04:46 PM
Ron Paul needs a new strategy here. He needs to have the respect of the neo-cons. And the only thing these people respect is fear. Ron Paul needs to develop a fear of not being prepared here at home. He needs to stop talking about why we were attacked on 9/11 but say the best response to 9/11 would have been to protect us here at home. Obviously we were attacked here. Our fighter jets did not respond in time. There were many failures of our defenses at home. Moving our troops overseas is not fixing these problems.

In Katrina, we saw a catastrophic failure. It took troops 3 days to respond. All of our national guard are in Iraq. What would happen if we are attacked again? We can't have this dismal response time.

He needs to crank up the fear to win this argument - as much as I dislike this tactic - the only way these people react is by fear.

How about a list of things we are dismally unprepared for - an EMP attack - a 9.5 earthquake in LA? Just ask the questions - would we have enough troops here at home to respond? How many Americans would lose their lives because we are not ready at home

We really need to scare these people - Ron Paul needs to scare these people before they will listen....

Not that I love fear or anything, but this would be a good strategy and would be hard to attack.

raider4paul
09-13-2011, 04:53 PM
Where did GB actually disagree with Ron in that? It sounded like he just said "he doesn't have a clue on all these things I fully agree with him on!"

XTreat
09-13-2011, 05:11 PM
Beck would never vote for Paul anyhow. He's a Zionist extremist nutter.

Here's Beck's priority list:

1. Israel
2. Israel
3. Israel
4. Israel
5. Israel
6. Israel
7. Israel
8. Israel
9. Israel
10. The United States


I borrowed this for FB to cause a stir, ty.

Imaginos
09-13-2011, 05:20 PM
Beck says Ron Paul has "sealed it", he could "never ever" vote for Ron Paul, but goes on to agree with some aspects of Ron Paul's foreign policy platform.
http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/09/13/why-was-ron-paul-the-big-loser-in-the-debate-last-night/
Thank you for your nice words, Mr. 'Israel first, America second' Beck.
You are a snake.
You are a traitor.
You are the lowest whore working for Military Industrial Complex and AIPAC.
Beck should be stripped of American citizenship and deported to Israel.

Fort Lauderdale
09-13-2011, 05:36 PM
http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=19155493

Joe3113
09-13-2011, 07:01 PM
Glenn Beck = Israel all the way, America not so much

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6C6E6ayh4U


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6C6E6ayh4U

pacelli
09-13-2011, 07:16 PM
To all those that thought Glenn Beck was on Ron Paul's side.... back in 2007... we told you otherwise.

Without further ado--

We told ya so.

we told ya so.

and umm.. oh yeah..

we told ya so.

NEVER TRUST THE MEDIA.

Verrater
09-13-2011, 07:28 PM
Don't watch the video I agree but look at those comments. Awesome.

rx7fan82
09-13-2011, 07:37 PM
Yeah, I can't spell! A good example of Ron's argument.. When we declared independence, we claimed land that was not ours.. We occupied native american land, if you a native,would you fight for your land?? If we get out of all other countries ,yes there will be problems, but not as many as there is and will be if we leave, trade is the key to the transition of peace, when people realize that it's all about building of embassies(bases) and placing laws and restrictions... how would you feel if some opened your front door and set up camp in your living room and then inspected and regulated everything you do in your own home??

speciallyblend
09-13-2011, 07:38 PM
i thought rpf banned beck threads??? the word beck is pornographic to my eyes and many. Ban the mother__cker! beck is perrys dingleberry! the word beck is like being raped politically!!

FrankRep
09-13-2011, 07:48 PM
But, But, but,,,,

Beck is our friend,,,,
He's coming around,,,
he's on our side,,,
:(
Bullshit. He is a Propagandist. A professional manipulator of public opinion.

Glenn Beck is a Conservative. Ron Paul doesn't know how to speak the Conservative language sometimes (Rand Paul does).

Ron Paul says the right thing, but in the wrong way.

Ron Paul Conservatives have warned Ron Paul about this, but Ron Paul fails to take the advice.

rx7fan82
09-13-2011, 07:55 PM
People need realizes , this is nothing new( the views of ron). We were doing ok before the fed and big gov. Ron needs his own tv spot!

civusamericanus
09-13-2011, 08:08 PM
Where did GB actually disagree with Ron in that? It sounded like he just said "he doesn't have a clue on all these things I fully agree with him on!"
Yeah I'm confused, he agreed entirely with Ron Paul, but bashed him at the same time... It's like we're in the twilight zone... or maybe beck is.

CUnknown
09-13-2011, 08:09 PM
I sincerely hope that Ron's baggage doesn't follow Rand in the future. You know sure as well, they're going to dig up some of Ron's controversial statements and stick it to Rand's forehead, when the time is right.

By "baggage" do you mean the truth? I hope Rand sticks as closely to Ron's philosophy and message as possible. You say it's a poisonous message, but how has Ron done everything he's done if that's the case? His "poisonous" message is controlling the national debate right now. I think you're looking at the establishment pushback here, and taking it a bit too seriously. The fact is that they are no longer very relevant, but Ron Paul and his message is.

Bruno
09-13-2011, 08:14 PM
Glenn Beck is a Conservative. Ron Paul doesn't know how to speak the Conservative language sometimes (Rand Paul does).

Ron Paul says the right thing, but in the wrong way.

Ron Paul Conservatives have warned Ron Paul about this, but Ron Paul fails to take the advice.

Disagree.

He says the wrong thing for the warmongers, those that want to kill Muslims, and those that feel it is our duty to protect Israel at all costs.

AuH20
09-13-2011, 08:31 PM
By "baggage" do you mean the truth? I hope Rand sticks as closely to Ron's philosophy and message as possible. You say it's a poisonous message, but how has Ron done everything he's done if that's the case? His "poisonous" message is controlling the national debate right now. I think you're looking at the establishment pushback here, and taking it a bit too seriously. The fact is that they are no longer very relevant, but Ron Paul and his message is.

Not the message per se, but the over-the-top rhetoric that accompanies the message. It's counterproductive.

speciallyblend
09-13-2011, 08:35 PM
Glenn Beck is a Conservative. Ron Paul doesn't know how to speak the Conservative language sometimes (Rand Paul does).

Ron Paul says the right thing, but in the wrong way.

Ron Paul Conservatives have warned Ron Paul about this, but Ron Paul fails to take the advice.

if you believe beck is conservative/ i have a bridge to sell you in colorado. beck is every reason i never became a republican!! your post is bs like beck!!

beck supporters deserve obama!! beck is no different then the corrupt gop. i liken him to the crazy right-wingers of the gop!!

AuH20
09-13-2011, 08:40 PM
if you believe beck is conservative/ i have a bridge to sell you in colorado. beck is every reason i never became a republican!! your post is bs like beck!!

beck supporters deserve obama!! beck is no different then the corrupt gop. i liken him to the crazy right-wingers of the gop!!

Spec, you're far out there now. I wish the GOP had crazy right wingers for the last 3 decades and the country wouldn't be sliding into the pit of tyranny!!!

civusamericanus
09-13-2011, 09:15 PM
I know Ron Paul would rather dismiss Glenn Beck, but it would be great if Ron Paul reviewed the transcript of this segment, and went through every item he disagrees and agree's with Glen Beck, specifically based on this segment. I think Ron Paul would blow Becks mind by accepting an invite on his show, or rather asking if he can retort to what Glenn Beck said.

On Glenn Becks earlier show, he said he'd like to have a candidate week, and included Ron Paul in the list of people he'd like to invite. I'd bet by the end of the show, of Ron Paul specifically addressing this segment, he'd have Beck agreeing with him nearly entirely.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/09/13/why-was-ron-paul-the-big-loser-in-the-debate-last-night/

pcosmar
09-13-2011, 09:26 PM
Glenn Beck is a Conservative.
No he is not.
Glen Beck is a propagandist.
Glen Beck is a National Socialist (Zionist) shill.

Glen Beck plays a Conservative on TV.


Disagree.

He says the wrong thing for the warmongers, those that want to kill Muslims, and those that feel it is our duty to protect Israel at all costs.

Correct. And everyone has a fear of offending the large "Israel First" crowd.
Instead we should be educating them.
Anti-Zionist is NOT Anti-Semitic. It is not anti-Jew.

Zionism is an evil curse on the Jewish people. It is a curse on the whole Middle East and the world as a whole.

As long as people are afraid to speak out against it nothing will change.

BlueFloyd
09-13-2011, 09:31 PM
Beck is a thorough Circle Jerk. He has talked about the Founding Fathers but does not support Ron Paul.

What a piece of manure.

V4Vendetta
09-13-2011, 09:37 PM
Fuck Glenn Beck - Ron Paul is a genius who understands what causes revenge and hate - Glenn Beck lives in never never land

Revolution0918
09-13-2011, 10:37 PM
biggest contridiction I've ever heard, " i can't believe ron paul would take osama bin ladens word for that, Ill take osama bin lades word on this cuz that defends my point"

Kords21
09-13-2011, 10:46 PM
Goebbles would have loved Glenn Beck

muh_roads
09-14-2011, 01:10 AM
Those comments are almost entirely pro Paul...lol

We really should try to be civil when making comments though guys. Always try to educate, not sound like a bully. Never lower yourself to this level. Notice how calm and collected members of the libertarian party are. We need to be that way.

ILikeRonPaul
09-14-2011, 01:30 AM
Here's Beck's priority list:

1. Israel
2. Israel
3. Israel
4. Israel
5. Israel
6. Israel
7. Israel
8. Israel
9. Israel
10. The United States

if there's one thing beck's good at it's contradicting himself on every single little issue except israel. he's a professional ranter. he takes you in dizzying circles that lead nowhere until he finally ends up back on the israel issue. dude literally thinks he's a jew for crying out loud. this is a troll thread and deserves to be closed.

hamilton1049
09-14-2011, 02:12 AM
But, But, but,,,,

Beck is our friend,,,,
He's coming around,,,
he's on our side,,,
:(
Bullshit. He is a Propagandist. A professional manipulator of public opinion.

+rep

pauladin
09-14-2011, 02:58 AM
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for Israel."

-Glenn Beck

Hospitaller
09-14-2011, 03:51 AM
You can’t export democracy. They don’t want it. They don’t understand it. That’s fine. They attack us. We pound them into glass, and then we go home. We don’t fix their stuff. They don’t have stuff to fix. They don’t mind it. They’re fine with it. Who’re we to impose our values on them? Great. You live any way you want. You screw with us, we pound you back into the stone age where you already are. We drive back into your cave. We kill all the people who tried to kill us, and then we go home,” Glenn said.

“If you want to not mess with us we’ll be your friends. You want to be a friendly state to us. We’ll be friendly state to you. You want to be a jerk we pound you into sand. I’m not so I can spread democracy so I can protect my people, and my economy. I’ll trade with everybody. I’ll help anybody. But you screw with us. You screw with our economy. You screw with our people, I pound you into glass. Period,” Glenn said.

I actually agree with everything he said there. He didn't advocate intervention in that article.

I also cannot fault this

low preference guy
09-14-2011, 04:00 AM
Ron Paul doesn't act like a macho bully, that's why Glenn doesn't like him. He thinks Presidential Elections should be run like grade school popularity contests.