View Full Version : Its time for an Official Campaign foreign policy clarification vid
TNforPaul45
09-13-2011, 05:31 AM
Ok.
So we have been hit with childish arguments over this 9/11 idea for four years now. I think it is high time for the campaign to put together a 5-7 minute video explaining our views in a polished, concise manner.
It needs to cover the point that while we do not condone the attacks, we do recognize the dynamics of foeign policy that led to them, and their effect on our country through the lens of our policy.
We need video clips of intelligence community experts who ron tries to cite on stage in his 30 second rebuttals, and nice graphics showing the human and capital costs of the unnecessary wars. Finally, the end of the video should be Ron presenting his alternative view on how to combat terrorism.
Im sick of Santorum on stage with his ignorant and childish face looking like we just ate all of santa's cookies whenever we mention the flawed foriegn policy of the US
Get to it, Official Campaign. I would make the vid myself if i had time!
KingNothing
09-13-2011, 05:41 AM
...and what do you want them to do with it?
Post it on the internet? Every young person, every person who is "internet savvy" is already on board with that message. That would be a waste of resources.
Push it during a massive ad-buy on television? Please. There are better ways to connect with voters in 30-second and one minute spots.
What Paul needs to do is what he has been doing -- explaining his points of view effectively when given time to do so during interviews and appearances. He needs to continue holding town-halls in Iowa and NH. And, just as importantly, he needs to continue to open up the weaknesses of other candidates like he did to Perry. When Perry falters, he'll have to do the same to Romney and/or Bachmann. That's how he wins this thing.
TNforPaul45
09-13-2011, 03:19 PM
...and what do you want them to do with it?
Post it on the internet? Every young person, every person who is "internet savvy" is already on board with that message. That would be a waste of resources.
Push it during a massive ad-buy on television? Please. There are better ways to connect with voters in 30-second and one minute spots.
What Paul needs to do is what he has been doing -- explaining his points of view effectively when given time to do so during interviews and appearances. He needs to continue holding town-halls in Iowa and NH. And, just as importantly, he needs to continue to open up the weaknesses of other candidates like he did to Perry. When Perry falters, he'll have to do the same to Romney and/or Bachmann. That's how he wins this thing.
He can post it on his website, and 30-second ads can say "Go to RonPaul2012.com" for more information.
I think this is too critical an issue to the GOP to rely on 30 second spots and constantly interrupted interviews with ignorant questions. He needs a video where the case is completely laid out and irrefutable, well researched, and convincing. And people will watch it. Radio show hosts will talk about it and try to attack it, driving more viewers to it.
The foreign policy issue is the MAIN sticking point keeping the majority of GOP voters from supporting Paul, and so it is important enough of a bottleneck for the campaign to address in a specially focused video and accompanying whitepapers/etc., whatever it takes.
TruckinMike
09-13-2011, 03:36 PM
Ok.
So we have been hit with childish arguments over this 9/11 idea for four years now. I think it is high time for the campaign to put together a 5-7 minute video explaining our views in a polished, concise manner.
It needs to cover the point that while we do not condone the attacks, we do recognize the dynamics of foeign policy that led to them, and their effect on our country through the lens of our policy.
We need video clips of intelligence community experts who ron tries to cite on stage in his 30 second rebuttals, and nice graphics showing the human and capital costs of the unnecessary wars. Finally, the end of the video should be Ron presenting his alternative view on how to combat terrorism.
Im sick of Santorum on stage with his ignorant and childish face looking like we just ate all of santa's cookies whenever we mention the flawed foriegn policy of the US
Get to it, Official Campaign. I would make the vid myself if i had time!
+rep
I totally agree. Something as simple as Michael Scheuer's testamony from his book "Blowback", the 911 report, followed up with Ron Paul's 1997,1999, and July 2001 Terrorist attack warning's from the house floor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXYd5eHfRIE). Tie these three points together in a professional manner and its done.
TMike
angelatc
09-13-2011, 03:48 PM
I think Paul lost hard in the south last time because of the foreign policy smears. I also hope that the campaign has a plan to overcome that particular objection.
Deborah K
09-13-2011, 03:52 PM
Here's what Mike Scheuer says about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udz5_FdoFGU&feature=player_embedded
I posted it here also. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?315460-Mike-Scheuer-quot-We-were-attacked-because-of-our-government-quot
It was suggested that we spread this video around to help clear things up.
hazek
09-13-2011, 04:10 PM
Nah the campaign doesn't need to do anything... Everything is just fine as it's right now and I think one of those low quality 4min phone call recordings posted on youtube Ron does every monday should suffice.
/end sarcasm
We're in fking 2011 and our campaign doesn't make use of the super cheap method of communicating with virtually the whole world trough high quality videos posted on youtube is just fking outrages. Every issue, Ron's entire platform and his entire presidency plan should be video recorded and posted on his home page. On top of that he should be making regular statements on popular issues so that the people can get to see the contrast between his solutions and the status quo.
Oh how I wish I had Benton's job. He may have learned how to run an old fashioned campaigned but he's seriously dropping the ball when it comes to marketing and PR.
EcuadiorFreedom
09-13-2011, 04:23 PM
We are at a dead-end. I am tired of seeing Ron Paul get booed when he says we should not be afraid of Iran. What is needed is to get the neocons over to our side. While you may think this is not possible, I think it is. What neocons respond to is FEAR. Pure and simple. They decide things only based on fear.
They are more afraid of pulling our troops home than of being bankrupt. They are more afraid of Iran than providing defense at home.
What we need to do is scare them. We need Ron Paul to show the people we are not safe here at home. One great illustration of that was the response to Katrina. It took 3 days for a response and to rescue people. Why? Because our National Guard and our troops are in Iraq and around the world. Most of them are doing nothing and are ready to provide help to the countries like Japan in case of a disaster. But what about a disaster at home? We can't wait three days...we can't wait weeks to bring troops home from Iraq.
We face all kinds of threats here at home. We could be hit with an EMP attack that would wipe out our electronics, cars, etc. Apparently you can build a EMP device very inexpensively. The chaos and madness resulting in this would be too much to deal with. We would need a huge deployment of troops.
As I said, the Neocons only respond to fear. We need to bring this fear level up for them so that they understand Ron Paul is wanting to defend them. We need to show a list of possible things and events, like an 9.0 earthquake in Los Angeles or a EMP attack by al qaeda in the USA.
We should also use the neocon paranoia to bring them to our side. We should be saying that Al Qaeda did the attacks of 9/11 so that we would not be here to defend our country and they could inflict a lot of damage on us.
Just my thoughts....any response?
BrendanWenzel
09-13-2011, 04:26 PM
Good luck getting them to make a video like this. According to my count, the official channel has not a single video where Ron Paul just explains something in a controlled atmosphere. Been trying to get them to do this for months now, but still no action.
We're in fking 2011 and our campaign doesn't make use of the super cheap method of communicating with virtually the whole world trough high quality videos posted on youtube is just fking outrages. Every issue, Ron's entire platform and his entire presidency plan should be video recorded and posted on his home page. On top of that he should be making regular statements on popular issues so that the people can get to see the contrast between his solutions and the status quo.
Exactly!
EcuadiorFreedom
09-13-2011, 04:27 PM
Basically we need to scare the s--t out of the neocons. Thats what will work. We can't win the Republican nomination without getting a lot of neocon support and the only way to do that is to scare the s&&^ out of them....
Feeding the Abscess
09-13-2011, 04:30 PM
Basically we need to scare the s--t out of the neocons. Thats what will work. We can't win the Republican nomination without getting a lot of neocon support and the only way to do that is to scare the s&&^ out of them....
No. We aren't getting neocon support, pandering to them will only turn off traditional conservative and libertarian voters. Which, by the way, is the base of Ron Paul's support.
Rule #1: Don't abandon your base
EcuadiorFreedom
09-13-2011, 05:20 PM
No its not an abandonment of the base - the message is the same - bring our troops home here for our safety. We need to show that we did not respond on 9/11 because there was something wrong with our defenses. Our response to Katrina was messed up because we do not have our national guard at home. Its the same message but with the element of fear - not against Iran and Afghanistan - but a fear of not being prepared here at home. That fear has to be real and strong for there to be any reaction or support from the majority of people.
davidhperry
09-13-2011, 05:36 PM
Yes, the campaign should do this, and so should the community of Ron Paul supporters. In my view, we should move away from general 'this is who Ron Paul is' kinds of videos and move to 'this is what what Paul says about (insert issue here).' These videos should be concise, and backed up by credible people like Michael Schurer, intelligence analysts, etc.
We should not stop promoting RP in a general way, but it's time to really emphasize some specific issues, and the foreign policy issue is the most important.
Sweman
09-13-2011, 06:13 PM
We are at a dead-end. I am tired of seeing Ron Paul get booed when he says we should not be afraid of Iran. What is needed is to get the neocons over to our side. While you may think this is not possible, I think it is. What neocons respond to is FEAR. Pure and simple. They decide things only based on fear.
They are more afraid of pulling our troops home than of being bankrupt. They are more afraid of Iran than providing defense at home.
What we need to do is scare them. We need Ron Paul to show the people we are not safe here at home. One great illustration of that was the response to Katrina. It took 3 days for a response and to rescue people. Why? Because our National Guard and our troops are in Iraq and around the world. Most of them are doing nothing and are ready to provide help to the countries like Japan in case of a disaster. But what about a disaster at home? We can't wait three days...we can't wait weeks to bring troops home from Iraq.
We face all kinds of threats here at home. We could be hit with an EMP attack that would wipe out our electronics, cars, etc. Apparently you can build a EMP device very inexpensively. The chaos and madness resulting in this would be too much to deal with. We would need a huge deployment of troops.
As I said, the Neocons only respond to fear. We need to bring this fear level up for them so that they understand Ron Paul is wanting to defend them. We need to show a list of possible things and events, like an 9.0 earthquake in Los Angeles or a EMP attack by al qaeda in the USA.
We should also use the neocon paranoia to bring them to our side. We should be saying that Al Qaeda did the attacks of 9/11 so that we would not be here to defend our country and they could inflict a lot of damage on us.
Just my thoughts....any response?I give you this +rep reluctantly because I reluctantly think you have a point...
TheLasersShadow
09-13-2011, 06:23 PM
This needs to be done, if the public isn't informed on foreign policy RON PAUL WILL LOSE! period end!
We win or lose on his foreign policy being accepted or just understood correctly.
EcuadiorFreedom
09-13-2011, 06:33 PM
Thanks - to clarify a little more - it is not enough to say 'we are safer with our troops here at home" not because Al Qaeda wants us here but because we have seen some pretty bad failures of our defenses here at home. On 9/11 it took our fighters two hours to respond to a hijacking. After 9/11 not ONE person was demoted or fired. This means we learned NOTHING about the failures. Ron Paul should say his response would be first to check and make sure we are ready to protect and defend ourselves at home before moving troops over seas. It is very apparent that we are not ready. Our electronics, power grids and so forth are NOT hardened against an EMP attack. Many people believe the Chinese tested an EMP device in the pacific. If an EMP attack were to occur, there would be total chaos, leaving exposed to invasion and internal chaos. Our troops should be here, ready to defend US - not in Iraq....
TNforPaul45
09-13-2011, 06:48 PM
Yes, i am fine if the community makes a great video and the OC pushes it.. But i think that Ron should be the one talking, calmly, and do a sit-down explanatory video just like Obama did in 2008. Someone here on the forum even suggested obama-like sit down videos for ron.
I just hope the word gets back to the campaign, and someone listens.
Thank you all for your contributions.
EcuadiorFreedom
09-13-2011, 07:42 PM
I think a video showing our failures in the past few years due to our troops being overseas would be great. People on waiting on the roof of their house in Katrina. Something showing a plane off course on 9/11 for 2 hours with no intervention by a fighter jet. Then a question: Where is our military? Then show a map of our bases around the world. Then another question: Are we safer now? Then show a video of people in gas lines in Iran, a run down undeveloped country. Question? Can these people attack us? Then show Chinese people marching and Chinese military exercises. Then Ron Paul saying we would be safer with our troops here at home.
FreeMind&Market
09-13-2011, 07:49 PM
or point-out there is no objective end-game to cultural wars other than bankruptcy.
TNforPaul45
09-16-2011, 08:11 AM
Looks like the campaign responded to my request!
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoYGAxF-zWE" target="_blank">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoYGAxF-zWE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoYGAxF-zWE)
:)
KingNothing
09-16-2011, 08:20 AM
Coincidence or not, the campaign did it and it really was tremendous. I have to say, you were right and i was wrong. It just makes sense to do this. The opportunity cost is nothing. The potential reward might not be massive given that many younger folks with an internet connection already support Ron because of his foreign policy views, but it is certainly worth the minimal investment.
Here's to encouraging the campaign to do the same regarding health care. And jobs. And the War on Drugs. And the Federal Reserve.
jmdrake
09-16-2011, 08:21 AM
Looks like the campaign responded to my request!
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoYGAxF-zWE" target="_blank">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoYGAxF-zWE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoYGAxF-zWE)
:)
I was just about to post that. And to follow up on hazek's suggestion he should have videos on his youtube channel covering his positions on social security, the environment, effectively dealing with the debt and every other hot button issue. Keep the stuff that's being talked about the most on his homepage.
rob7779
09-16-2011, 08:40 AM
I was just about to post that. And to follow up on hazek's suggestion he should have videos on his youtube channel covering his positions on social security, the environment, effectively dealing with the debt and every other hot button issue. Keep the stuff that's being talked about the most on his homepage.
^This. I agree completely. He could even reference in the debates or in interviews stating its too complicated to say in a 30-60 second soundbite but if you go to my homepage I explain my positions in great detail.
DerekB
09-16-2011, 08:43 AM
Here's one approach I think might work well:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?316285-Tell-the-Campaign-to-Creat-this-Ad!
jmdrake
09-16-2011, 08:52 AM
Here's one approach I think might work well:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?316285-Tell-the-Campaign-to-Creat-this-Ad!
Please see the response I gave you on that thread.
boneyard bill
09-16-2011, 11:12 AM
You don't need Michael Scheuer. You don't need to reference the 9/11 Commission Report. These are not bad ideas. But the best thing you can do is reference Ron Paul himself warning of a terrorist attack long before 9/11. I soooo wish that Ron Paul would use that reply in the debates. "Yes, I said it. I said years BEFORE 9/11 ever occurred. I warned the Clinton Administration that this would happen as a result of its policies."
Partisan Republicans would eat up the idea that Clinton was responsible for 9/11.
Videos are great and they are cheap so why do them? But they aren't easy to publicize. 30-second and one-minute ads are better but expensive. But if you plan it right and time it right, you can get the media to reference these ads
and multiply your exposure by many times.
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