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Anti Federalist
09-12-2011, 11:37 AM
From Balko over at The Agitator:

Practice on the People

Monday, September 12th, 2011

http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/12/practice-on-people/

A reader sends this incredible column from Tactical Response magazine, which I gather is a periodical for SWAT types.


Team commanders must raise the profile of their teams. Stay active. Yes, I mean do warrant service and drug raids even if you have to poach the work. First, your team needs the training time under true callout conditions. If all your team does is train, but seldom deploy, you will end up training just to train. You need to train to fight. You already know that.

Second, make SWAT familiar to senior police staff. Everyone fears the unknown. Don’t let SWAT be that unknown. Make deploying SWAT something that is routine, not something only done after much hand-wringing. “Oh, no! You mean we have to call SWAT? Oh, I don’t know, I just don’t know. Really? Call SWAT? Really?”

Yes, you should have clear guidelines for activating the team. But how many times has the callout of a part-time team been delayed or denied when those callout criteria were met? We really do need to explain that SWAT is less of a threat than the people in the calls we are responding to—you know, those vewy, vewy bad people.

(Attention to the magazine author, sell that to the widow of Jose Guerena, you miserable, boot licking, fascist piece of shit - AF)



The column actually makes some good points about a SWAT commander knowing his team’s limitations.

But note the complete disregard for the rights of the people being raided in the excerpt above. The author is actually suggesting SWAT commanders lobby to have their teams deployed in situations for which they normally wouldn’t be to ensure they’re in good practice.

Put another way, he suggests they practice their door smashing, room-clearing, flash-grenade deploying, and other paramilitary tactics on less-than-violent people, so they’re in better form when a real threat arises.

Never mind that there are going to be living, breathing, probably bleeding people on the receiving end of these “practice” raids. There’s officer safety and “SWAT team profile” to think about.

It’s just an appalling mindset.

Krugerrand
09-12-2011, 12:01 PM
Imagine the reaction if the story read:
SWAT teams are recommended to regularly bust into their regional Humane Society to ensure their dog shooting skills are best form when needed.

Czolgosz
09-12-2011, 12:35 PM
Imagine the reaction if the story read:
SWAT teams are recommended to regularly bust into their regional Humane Society to ensure their dog shooting skills are best form when needed.


Or better yet, ""Criminals" are now baiting SWAT teams into situations where they're perfecting defensive booby traps through real life training."

Imagine the outcry.

heavenlyboy34
09-12-2011, 12:38 PM
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

pcosmar
09-12-2011, 12:52 PM
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
- Sun Tzu

Watch everything they do. Pay close attention to their tactic and habits.

Learn and know and prepare.

The Day will come.


It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
-Sun Tzu,


If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

- Sun Tzu,the Art of War

CaptainAmerica
09-12-2011, 01:17 PM
SWAT should not even exist. Federalized local police departments .....bunch of thugs.

jmdrake
09-12-2011, 01:29 PM
Please tell me this is an Onion article. :(

Pericles
09-12-2011, 02:08 PM
An idea in the best traditions of the Waffen-SS, where using live ammunition in training situations where a small number of deaths was considered good training.

kylejack
09-12-2011, 02:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7u91A3KGQ

Freedom 4 all
09-12-2011, 02:51 PM
Please tell me this is an Onion article. :(

Onion stories are at least somewhat plausible. They wouldn't come up with something so utterly asinine.

Freedom 4 all
09-12-2011, 02:54 PM
I initially thought AF was making fun of this fascist whore with the use of the word "vewy vewy bad people" but no, she ACTUALLY FUCKING SAID THAT. What the hell is wrong with people. This all just seems so much like a horrible parody that it's hard to take seriously.

d4chin
09-12-2011, 03:04 PM
This is information that bothers me greatly. I started learning about the Patriot Act and its unconstitutional provisions while I was still in the Army, and its one of the reasons why I left the service after 8 years. I just wrote a blog post about the growing American Police state @ http://4libertysake.com/2011/08/28/an-american-police-state-not-your-average-neighborhood-watch/ I also wrote about President Obama's guidelines for 9/11 Commemoration and DHS's shift in focus from Al Qaeda to "domestic" terrorism @ http://4libertysake.com/2011/08/30/white-house-tells-americans-how-they-should-remember-911/

This' one of those topics that when you start doing your own research... you find yourself only digging deeper and deeper. What used to be considered nothing more than wide eyed conspiracy theories are now becoming more and more relevant today. When talking to someone about it a couple of weeks ago, They said, "you sound like an alarmist". I said, "You know as a former soldier... those war alarms aren't always training exercises".

osan
09-12-2011, 03:33 PM
Is this serious?

pcosmar
09-12-2011, 03:42 PM
Is this serious?

well there is quite a trail of dead bodies... seems serious to me.

They do well against targets that are unprepared. Flash bangs in the wee hours against unarmed pot smokers.
I wonder what will happen when they hit a group of folks that are ready for them.

rambone
09-12-2011, 04:19 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226094_226435530727289_165801456790697_578314_1623 023_n.jpg

We have a report of an illegal garden on your coordinates.

donnay
09-12-2011, 04:37 PM
Please tell me this is an Onion article. :(

Nope.

http://www.hendonpub.com/publications/tacticalresponse/rearguard.aspx

pcosmar
09-12-2011, 04:56 PM
Nope.

http://www.hendonpub.com/publications/tacticalresponse/rearguard.aspx

Worse that that,
The Author,,,
Ed Sanow, Editorial Director
LAW and ORDER Magazine
Police Fleet Manager Magazine

http://www.hendonpub.com/contact.aspx

http://www.police-writers.com/edwin_sanow.html

heavenlyboy34
09-12-2011, 05:34 PM
well there is quite a trail of dead bodies... seems serious to me.

They do well against targets that are unprepared. Flash bangs in the wee hours against unarmed pot smokers.
I wonder what will happen when that hit a group of folks that are ready for them.
I seem to recall an article posted by AF about a guy who shot a cop invading his home. (could be mistaken, though) I expect more of that in coming years.

Anti Federalist
09-12-2011, 05:43 PM
I seem to recall an article posted by AF about a guy who shot a cop invading his home. (could be mistaken, though) I expect more of that in coming years.

More than one or two my friend, more than one or two.

heavenlyboy34
09-12-2011, 08:29 PM
More than one or two my friend, more than one or two.
Cool. :cool: It's always good to see a mundane successfully fighting back.