John Stewart defends Ron Paul on border comment

[gls]

Anyone see this? The audience laughed immediately after the clip was shown, but then quickly quieted down when Stewart took a more serious tone and talked about how Ron might actually be on to something. He then called Paul "America's Kramer" -- meaning that he always speaks his mind/doesn't hold back.

[zHorns]

Anyone see this? The audience laughed immediately after the clip was shown, but then quickly quieted down when Stewart took a more serious tone and talked about how Ron might actually be on to something. He then called Paul "America's Kramer" -- meaning that he always speaks his mind/doesn't hold back.

Sorry, but I saw it and he wasn't defending him.

He took most of the clips he shown from the debate last night out of context, then called Paul "American's Kramer" - Kramer being the crazy guy.

I'm actual surprised since Paul is schedule as a guest this month.

[TER]

Tube when someone makes one, please!

[tremendoustie]

Sorry, but I saw it and he wasn't defending him.

He took most of the clips he shown from the debate last night out of context, then called Paul "American's Kramer" - Kramer being the crazy guy.

Kramer's not crazy, just eccentric and doesn't give a !@#$ what anyone else thinks.

I'd have to see the clip to judge, but I thought I'd correct the Seinfeld misinfo.

[bb_dg]

I will have to disagree with you. When you think of Kramer form Seinfeld, you don't think of someone who speaks his mind and doesn't hold back. You think of someone who comes up with crazy ideas that never work (I guess I have a different opinion on the character).

He was making fun of Ron Paul, which is fine since he makes fun of everybody. He ended it with "He's the only one on both sides that we might want to sneak in to Mexico." and people laughed because it's "obviously" a crazy idea that we would want to leave.

[bubbleboy]

Isn't Stewart's (not his real name) brother head of stock exchange or something big mob ties?

[zHorns]

Kramer's not crazy, just eccentric and doesn't give a !@#$ what anyone else thinks.

I'd have to see the clip to judge, but I thought I'd correct the Seinfeld misinfo.

I'm not a big time Seinfeld watcher, but from what I've seen, he does act rather crazy sometimes.

But, the main point is the clips he shown were taken out of context.

[Napolitanic Wars]

Keep in mind that Jon is a HUGE Seinfeld fan.

[gls]

I'll have to watch it again when it comes available. It seemed to me that he tread very carefully but basically implied that what Ron said wasn't really so crazy.

[KramerDSP]

Guys, stop talking about me. I'm right here!

But seriously, Jon Stewart gave us a lot of love last time around after Ames. In fact, if it wasn't for his coverage, there would be no "13th floor" recognition going on amongst the masses. Let's not bash people everytime they don't seem to be 100% aligned with us.

As far as Kramer goes, he's a unique character who is a straight shooter and says what is on his mind. He also waves his arms frantically a lot like the good doctor does. I don't think it's an insult.

[sailingaway]

Guys, stop talking about me. I'm right here!

But seriously, Jon Stewart gave us a lot of love last time around after Ames. In fact, if it wasn't for his coverage, there would be no "13th floor" recognition going on amongst the masses. Let's not bash people everytime they don't seem to be 100% aligned with us.

As far as Kramer goes, he's a unique character who is a straight shooter and says what is on his mind. He also waves his arms frantically a lot like the good doctor does. I don't think it's an insult.

Ron only waves his armes when he's being intentionally facetious. I'll have to see the actual spot. But, frankly, it was a line that even caught us by surprise, and Ron didn't explain where he was coming from. We can guess, but others might just be baffled.

[musicmax]

Isn't Stewart's (not his real name) brother head of stock exchange or something big mob ties?

His half-brother is COO of the NYSE.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Ron only waves his armes when he's being intentionally facetious. I'll have to see the actual spot. But, frankly, it was a line that even caught us by surprise, and Ron didn't explain where he was coming from. We can guess, but others might just be baffled.

David Nolan said the same line in his debate against John McCain last year.

[Ronpauljones]

Its Jon.

Jon Jon Jon Jon Jon.

[sailingaway]

David Nolan said the same line in his debate against John McCain last year.

I wonder if he said it in a way that sounded as surprising.

You don't have to defend it to me, I know Ron. But it came off weird in the debate, and that is the truth.

[afwjam]

I don't know why people seem so shocked by the fence comment. Its true I had never thought about it before, but as soon as Paul mentioned it, it clicked. Is the TSA to keep terrorists out or to scare the people into submission? I don't trust the government with anything and Im sure a majority of people deep down feel the same.

[sailingaway]

There are Texas ranches that would be cut in two by a border fence. Some predate the border. It would keep ranchers from being able to water their cattle on the Rio Grande -- a river we fought a war to claim, and which we would essentially be giving up profitable use of. I'm sure that occurs to Ron, who has a district with those ranches in it.

[MRK]

Sailing, this is a good point. I've seen areas that occupy both sides of the border on google earth.

[Ray]

What date is Ron going to be on The Daily Show?

[Fermli]

What date is Ron going to be on The Daily Show?
Sep 26

[refuge]

I don't know why people seem so shocked by the fence comment. Its true I had never thought about it before, but as soon as Paul mentioned it, it clicked. Is the TSA to keep terrorists out or to scare the people into submission? I don't trust the government with anything and Im sure a majority of people deep down feel the same.
He was right about the economy back in '08, who's to say what could happen in the next four years -- might not be good. :confused:

[specsaregood]

Mr. Stewart is one of those people that might find the border exits closed to him and his money when all economic hell breaks loose. He is the exact type of person that has the most to fear.

[Dorfsmith]

David Nolan said the same line in his debate against John McCain last year.

Yes! Nolan also said it when he spoke at the Flagstaff tea party shortly before he passed away. Other libertarians have said it too. I've heard it countless times. I was a bit surprised that Ron chose to say it at a debate. Needless to say, it doesn't go over very well with the SB1070 types around here.

[Napoleon's Shadow]

Unfortunately most Republican voters don't watch the Daily Show

[gls]

Unfortunately most Republican voters don't watch the Daily Show

So what? Independents do and they participate heavily in both the Iowa caucus and NH primary.

[Napoleon's Shadow]

So what? Independents do and they participate heavily in both the Iowa caucus and NH primary.The actual % of voters that Jon Stewart will bring to RP is miniscule. Door-to-door and phone banking is what will win votes.

[speciallyblend]

i see this as a compliment by jon stewart but i am just a hippie.

[agaiziunas]

I don't know, I don't really think Ron Paul was talking about the physical fence keeping us in & all that.. like some kind of Refugee camp.. because things would have to get a HECK of a lot worse before anything like that happened..

But what about the "unseen" fence.. the one created with things like Real ID.. if you're here, you have to have a "Real ID" to travel, you have to use your "Real ID" to move funds around or take money from the bank.. if you work for 50 years then want to move to Asia for retirement, there could eventually be restrictions on how much money you can send overseas through bank wires or something like that.

"Give me your Real ID sir.... *check the database*... um no, sir, you've sent $1000 overseas already this month you've reached your limit, you may not send more"
"I'm sorry sir, you have reached your quota for buying gold this year"
"Enjoy your stay abroad, sir, but you must be back within 4 weeks to continue claiming Social Security"

It's crapola like that I think would be a lot more feasible happening than people trying to escape the country to Mexico over a fence.. and maybe Ron Paul was really just referring more to all that crap.. fence, RealID, citizen database, etc.

[gls]

The actual % of voters that Jon Stewart will bring to RP is miniscule.

How could you possibly know that? If you think Ron has a prayer without a sizable number of independents (like the ones who watch Stewart) then you're dreaming. He simply does not have enough support in the Republican Party alone.

[TER]

I don't know, I don't really think Ron Paul was talking about the physical fence keeping us in & all that.. like some kind of Refugee camp.. because things would have to get a HECK of a lot worse before anything like that happened..

But what about the "unseen" fence.. the one created with things like Real ID.. if you're here, you have to have a "Real ID" to travel, you have to use your "Real ID" to move funds around or take money from the bank.. if you work for 50 years then want to move to Asia for retirement, there could eventually be restrictions on how much money you can send overseas through bank wires or something like that.

"Give me your Real ID sir.... *check the database*... um no, sir, you've sent $1000 overseas already this month you've reached your limit, you may not send more"
"I'm sorry sir, you have reached your quota for buying gold this year"
"Enjoy your stay abroad, sir, but you must be back within 4 weeks to continue claiming Social Security"

It's crapola like that I think would be a lot more feasible happening than people trying to escape the country to Mexico over a fence.. and maybe Ron Paul was really just referring more to all that crap.. fence, RealID, citizen database, etc.

The Europeans are headed there if they are not there already. This is a very serious threat, but is the general public aware? Are they just uninformed?

[Bruno]

The actual % of voters that Jon Stewart will bring to RP is miniscule. Door-to-door and phone banking is what will win votes.

Of course, but there is no reason to discount it or discourage it. We may need dedicated Republican voters to win the primaries, but we can't neglect any opportunites to broaden the base. The fact remains that until Ron wins the primaries, there will always be a segment of Republicans that will never vote for him. Why not try to pick up that support?

And we know that he already gets more crossover appeal from independents and Democrats than any other candidate, which is vital to winning the general. Jon Stewart talking well of Ron Paul can only be a good thing, more support is to be gained from it than lost.

[bluesc]

The actual % of voters that Jon Stewart will bring to RP is miniscule. Door-to-door and phone banking is what will win votes.

and exactly how much effort did it require us to get Jon Stewart to say this? Oh yeah, none.

So I'd say the return on investment is pretty high with that miniscule amount of voters, considering we did absolutely nothing to get them.

Everyone knows we need to target likely republican voters already.

[bluesc]

and btw guys, he did not defend Ron. I just watched it, he was mocking him. When he played a quick clip of Ron's answers, he made him look crazy, especially on the border comment. He then said "I don't know if he should be president, or have any kind of power, but he can be our idea guy"

It's his job, so don't get angry or cry. The interview on the 26th should be interesting though.

[dannno]

"He's the only one on both sides that we might want to sneak in to Mexico." and people laughed because it's "obviously" a crazy idea that we would want to leave.

See, this is the problem, everybody who mocks Ron Paul for this comment doesn't understand that is not what he was talking about. Right before he said that he said the government might try to confiscate or tax our wealth before we leave the country. Think: 1933 gold confiscation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

People aren't going to be sneaking into Mexico to move there, although they might. More likely they are going to use it as a launch pad to get their wealth (i.e. gold) out of the country.

I wonder if Jon Stewart is aware of the 1933 gold confiscation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

Maybe he can ask Ron Paul about it in the interview?

[dannno]

See, this is the problem, everybody who mocks Ron Paul for this comment doesn't understand that is not what he was talking about. Right before he said that he said the government might try to confiscate or tax our wealth before we leave the country. Think: 1933 gold confiscation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

People aren't going to be sneaking into Mexico to move there, although they might. More likely they are going to use it as a launch pad to get their wealth (i.e. gold) out of the country.

I wonder if Jon Stewart is aware of the 1933 gold confiscation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

Maybe he can ask Ron Paul about it in the interview?

E-mail sent to Jon Stewart.

[dannno]

I didn't see it, can somebody paste the entire portion of the quote Jon Stewart played of Ron Paul? I need to know if they played the part about wealth being taken out of the country.

[Verrater]

tubes?

edit: nvm just saw the re run

[MRK]

tubes?

edit: nvm just saw the re run

i can has tivo rip?

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-i-love-you-note-kitten.jpg

[bluesc]

I didn't see it, can somebody paste the entire portion of the quote Jon Stewart played of Ron Paul? I need to know if they played the part about wealth being taken out of the country.

I'll give you the whole clip they showed of Ron, just to let you know they were taking things out of context to mock him..

"(The TSA sexual harassment comments).. If we take the air conditioning out of the green zone, our troops would come home.. Do we need the federal government to tell us whether we can buy a safe car?.. I can get you a gallon of gasoline for a dime... (barbed wire fence, machine guns, ect) I think this fence business is designed and may well be used against us to keep us in.." cut to laughs and mocking.

I would upload it to youtube, but it would get taken down instantly.

[dannno]

I'll give you the whole clip they showed of Ron, just to let you know they were taking things out of context to mock him..

"(The TSA sexual harassment comments).. If we take the air conditioning out of the green zone, our troops would come home.. Do we need the federal government to tell us whether we can buy a safe car?.. I can get you a gallon of gasoline for a dime... (barbed wire fence, machine guns, ect) I think this fence business is designed and may well be used against us to keep us in.." cut to laughs and mocking.

I would upload it to youtube, but it would get taken down instantly.

Ohhh Jon...

[Brian4Liberty]

Stewart was mocking Ron, as usual.

[ProIndividual]

people laughed because it's "obviously" a crazy idea that we would want to leave.

Oh is it now?

I'm leaving the country in less than year unless Ron wins the nomination, then I'll leave after I vote in November.

This country has DUI checkpoints, TSA ass-grabbers, warrantless wiretaps, self written search warrants by Gestapo, I mean SS, I mean federal agents, etc.

It's hardly crazy to leave for a less tyrannical country like Uruguay, New Zealand, etc.

It's also not crazy to sneak into Mexico if we go just a tad further and lockdown the borders to keep folks in...like all police states do. They refuse to accept the exodus, and require the taxpayers to maintain the oligarchy in place...not to mention they have already illegally changed the passport requirements to make it harder to leave NOW.

So it's hardly crazy to sneak into Mexico, our most unsecured border, in order to catch a plane to somewhere else. It's not a very far off that we will have such a bad police state that in fact people will be doing this.

There is reason we had NET negative immigration this year (including illegals). No one is coming here, there aren't any jobs....and the few that are are overtaken by the numbers (like me) leaving.

We are not the free-est country on Earth anymore, although we might still be the best and have the most potential to be the longterm free-est. But I can always move back when the re-legalize my job (I play poker online for a living, or did until they banned it and stole my life savings...the feds have our money that we already paid taxes on, and have no charges planned but refuse to give it back to us. We have no trial or property rights anymore, and so I'm leaving. Playing in casinos sucks, we can only play high stakes when you can't play 12 tables at atime like online, and so I go.)

I think it's crazy to be a frog in pot of water, the water being slowly brought to a boil over generations, and not noticing it. I'm jumping out the pot (as real frogs do in real life). Stay in the pot and boil to death if you like...if that's crazy, then just call me nuts.

PS...I'm horrible at sensing sarcasm in print...and I just thought you used the quotes to be possibly sarcastic....if so, my bad...I'm bad at the reading sarcasm thing....reallllllly bad.

If this seems obvious to you all, point and laugh at me, I deserve it...lol.

[eaglesfan48]

It was not an outright mocking, more just comedy. Trust me Jon Stewart rips into people WAY harder than that. He is a fan of Ron Paul

[afwjam]

It wasn't bad.

[Ethan]

I just watched the show just to see this comment.
Came off pretty neutral to me. Compare what he said about Paul to what he said about Perry and I think there's room to even call it positive.

[Brian4Liberty]

What evidence is there that Stewart is a fan of Ron?

[dannno]

What evidence is there that Stewart is a fan of Ron?

These are just recently:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?309778-Will-Jon-Stewart-s-Daily-Show-Video-on-Ron-Paul-become-the-most-viewed

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?314184-Daily-Show-comment-on-twitter

Jon loves his views on foreign policy and the drug war.


His statements were obviously taken out of context and the audience knew it. I think people are blowing this up too much.

[bluesc]

What evidence is there that Stewart is a fan of Ron?

Absolutely none. He called out the media for ignoring him, and all of a sudden he is a supporter.

It's not impossible to imagine if it came down to Ron vs Obama though. Stewart voted for George H. W. Bush.

[dannno]

Stewart voted for George H. W. Bush.

Really??

This sounds like slander.

[bluesc]

Really??

Yep, it surprised me too. He was asked who the last republican he voted for was, that was his answer. It was on Fox News Sunday. I'll find the link in a minute.

[TomtheTinker]

Online poker is illegal now??? They stole your money????

[eleganz]

Why does anybody care? John Stewart's show is a comedy show, he can make fun of one person one minute and be backing them up the next minute, he's just trying to get a laugh, he isn't going to endorse or openly support Ron Paul. It was cool of him to open the blinds on the media black out of Iowa straw poll but the whole bit was for more for laughs and less for trying to prove an actual point.

[bluesc]

Really??

This sounds like slander.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xkRgXEb73M @7:36

He was being honest. He didn't vote for him over Clinton though.

[Brian4Liberty]

Sorry, but I saw it and he wasn't defending him.

He took most of the clips he shown from the debate last night out of context, then called Paul "American's Kramer" - Kramer being the crazy guy.

I'm actual surprised since Paul is schedule as a guest this month.


and btw guys, he did not defend Ron. I just watched it, he was mocking him. When he played a quick clip of Ron's answers, he made him look crazy, especially on the border comment.


Absolutely none. He called out the media for ignoring him, and all of a sudden he is a supporter.


Agree with the above. Stewart and his writers and producers may be against the wars (including the war on drugs), and they may criticize others in the media, but that does not make them fans of or supporters of Ron.

[goldencane]

Why does anybody care? John Stewart's show is a comedy show, he can make fun of one person one minute and be backing them up the next minute, he's just trying to get a laugh, he isn't going to endorse or openly support Ron Paul. It was cool of him to open the blinds on the media black out of Iowa straw poll but the whole bit was for more for laughs and less for trying to prove an actual point.

Because a lot of people do get their news from him and he usually treats Ron Paul better than the other candidates, which can only be a good thing.

[AlexanderY]

..

[Cutlerzzz]

Oh is it now?

I'm leaving the country in less than year unless Ron wins the nomination, then I'll leave after I vote in November.

This country has DUI checkpoints, TSA ass-grabbers, warrantless wiretaps, self written search warrants by Gestapo, I mean SS, I mean federal agents, etc.

It's hardly crazy to leave for a less tyrannical country like Uruguay, New Zealand, etc.

It's also not crazy to sneak into Mexico if we go just a tad further and lockdown the borders to keep folks in...like all police states do. They refuse to accept the exodus, and require the taxpayers to maintain the oligarchy in place...not to mention they have already illegally changed the passport requirements to make it harder to leave NOW.

So it's hardly crazy to sneak into Mexico, our most unsecured border, in order to catch a plane to somewhere else. It's not a very far off that we will have such a bad police state that in fact people will be doing this.

There is reason we had NET negative immigration this year (including illegals). No one is coming here, there aren't any jobs....and the few that are are overtaken by the numbers (like me) leaving.

We are not the free-est country on Earth anymore, although we might still be the best and have the most potential to be the longterm free-est. But I can always move back when the re-legalize my job (I play poker online for a living, or did until they banned it and stole my life savings...the feds have our money that we already paid taxes on, and have no charges planned but refuse to give it back to us. We have no trial or property rights anymore, and so I'm leaving. Playing in casinos sucks, we can only play high stakes when you can't play 12 tables at atime like online, and so I go.)

I think it's crazy to be a frog in pot of water, the water being slowly brought to a boil over generations, and not noticing it. I'm jumping out the pot (as real frogs do in real life). Stay in the pot and boil to death if you like...if that's crazy, then just call me nuts.

PS...I'm horrible at sensing sarcasm in print...and I just thought you used the quotes to be possibly sarcastic....if so, my bad...I'm bad at the reading sarcasm thing....reallllllly bad.

If this seems obvious to you all, point and laugh at me, I deserve it...lol.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2SvLUOJbgk

Sorry, had to be done.

[Liberty Shark]

The Stewart clip of the entire segment is on Mediaite. The part with RP starts at 2:48.

[lucky_bg]

here is link for full episode of Daily Show:


http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-september-8-2011-marion-cotillard

Edit: Now I watched it for the second time, and I like it even more. Having in mind what he had to say about Bachmann, Perry, Romney, Gingrich, etc, he was pretty good to Ron.
It isn't Stewart's fault that Ron had to talk about fence that way or to make silly joke about turning off AC in green zone. With what he had, Stewart made decent segment on Ron. I'm only dissapointed he didn't include Ron's explanation on "galon for a dime" statement, but it's probably because moderator interrupted Ron just after he said that.
And he actually said "I really like this guy as a idea guy, probably the only one in all parties to come up with idea that we might want to sneak in to Mexico one day." It didn't seemed to me as Stewart rejected Ron's idea as crazy at all.

[PastaRocket848]

well, whether it was meant to be an insult or otherwise doesn't really matter, as john stewart's audience isn't exactly known for showing up on election day anyway. and besides, what ron said was bat-shit crazy. how can we NOT expect the political comedians on comedy central to poke fun at it? we laugh when he does it to bachmann...

[fearthereaperx]

well, whether it was meant to be an insult or otherwise doesn't really matter, as john stewart's audience isn't exactly known for showing up on election day anyway. and besides, what ron said was bat-shit crazy. how can we NOT expect the political comedians on comedy central to poke fun at it? we laugh when he does it to bachmann...

The phrase 'Bat-shit crazy' is usually used as a designation to something that the original user of the word doesn't fully understand.

No, it wasn't bat-shit crazy at all.. it was just an unecessary-- but logical-- statement to make while running for President, that has potential to be viewed upon as 'kooky' by people who can't critically think.

[PastaRocket848]

it's not logical to think that the reason people who support a border fence do so because they fear mass expatriation.

[acptulsa]

I'm sure that occurs to Ron, who has a district with those ranches in it.

Not that you don't make good points, but Texas Fourteen as currently drawn doesn't touch the Mexican border. The Gulf, yes, the border, no.

To me, the long and the short of it is there's no particular reason to consider Mexico more desirable than the U.S. right now, but it is a way out. And it's already difficult to get out with your gold. And our standard of living and our freedoms just keep diminishing. I believe that to understand the comment, you have to think of the future, and recognize the trends.

And in that context, it makes sense. It's depressing and scary, but it makes perfect sense. During my lifetime, the U.S. has gotten more like the old U.S.S.R. every year. Every single year.


it's not logical to think that the reason people who support a border fence do so because they fear mass expatriation.

If you're talking about those members of the general public who support it, then you're right. And if you think those members of the general public who supported bailouts didn't expect banks to refuse to lend cash out, sit on the stuff and use it to buy up smaller banks and give themselves bonuses, you're right about that too.

[NJames]

"Give me your Real ID sir.... *check the database*... um no, sir, you've sent $1000 overseas already this month you've reached your limit, you may not send more"
"But, that won't buy groceries for a week in Singapore!oops

[specsaregood]

it's not logical to think that the reason people who support a border fence do so because they fear mass expatriation.

it is quite common however to mislead and use the mundanes' fears against themselves in order to acquire more power and control.

[fearthereaperx]

it's not logical to think that the reason people who support a border fence do so because they fear mass expatriation.


I am referring to the unintended consequences and I think you need to watch the clip again to better understand, in context, what he is saying.

[MRoCkEd]

It was all in good fun.

[wide awake]

A few thoughts after reading this thread:

Jon Stewart is a political satirist. Despite his liberal tendencies, he’s going to lampoon anybody that provides an easy target.

I doubt he will ever openly support anybody on the right but his references to Ron Paul have typically included the adjectives “consistent” and “honest” which is about as high of praise of a politician as you are going to receive from a satirist.

The last major ratings report in May of 2011 showed him averaging 2.3 million people per night (absolutely destroying any show on FOX News Channel or CNN) (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-06-06/entertainment/29648539_1_fox-news-key-demographic-groups-may-s-nielsen).

I don’t know what the overall impact of his comments on Ron Paul mean in terms of support but if it wasn’t for him and Bill Maher, I know I would have never even looked in Ron Paul’s direction. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?312365-New-Supporter-from-NC)

There seems to be a lot of nay saying about anybody that doesn’t fall into 100% of Ron Paul’s position. I am not sure how that perspective supports any type of math needed for Ron Paul to win the GOP nomination or the general election.

I don’t know if the fence comment was crazy or not, but it was a completely different angle to the current conversation with zero opportunity to elaborate. It basically threw away one of his limited opportunities to speak in the debate.

[Chieppa1]

Guys, calm down. Jon also spent the rest of the show attacking the media for picking our candidates and he hated on pundits.

[AlexMerced]

it's not logical to think that the reason people who support a border fence do so because they fear mass expatriation.

Ron Paul never said the intention of building a fence is too keep people in, but the greater point is that mechanisms we may create to protect can one day be used against us... like Wire Tapping and torture

[libertybrewcity]

starts at ~4:00

http://www.hulu.com/watch/276349/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-thu-sep-8-2011#s-p1-st-i0

[LisaNY]

I'm really looking forward to Ron's Daily Show appearance on the 26th! Is anyone from NYC going to go down there and try to get in? The studio is not that far from my office.

[Napoleon's Shadow]

How could you possibly know that? If you think Ron has a prayer without a sizable number of independents (like the ones who watch Stewart) then you're dreaming. He simply does not have enough support in the Republican Party alone.The electoral math you purport is inaccurate.

The Republican base must be won. We are in a Republican primary with a Republican candidate with Republicans who will be voting. Those are the people we MUST focus on.

[Cowlesy]

Sep 26

I wonder if Jon will head down to the Webster Hall event with Ron after the taping.

[specsaregood]

I wonder if Jon will head down to the Webster Hall event with Ron after the taping.
Forget Jon, you guys should invite that Lionel cat.

[bluesc]

Forget Jon, you guys should invite that Lionel cat.

Hell yeah. He's hilarious.

[jmdrake]

The electoral math you purport is inaccurate.

The Republican base must be won. We are in a Republican primary with a Republican candidate with Republicans who will be voting. Those are the people we MUST focus on.

I'm not sure why you're treating this as an "either/or". Do you think someone is prevented from door knocking by posting a comment about a Jon Stewart segment? If no then what's your point? If yes then why aren't you door knocking instead of posting a comment about a Jon Stewart segment? Seriously, cat herding keeps us from door knocking more than Jon Stewart.

Edit: One more thing. Your "electoral math" is skewed by a candidate who insists on saying things that reach more to independents than to typical republican voters. While we should reach all typical republican voters, at some point we need to make up for the typical republican voters we lose in each debate with the independents we gain.

[moo]

we need some media attention on this comment made by barack obama last night during his speech.

"This larger notion that the only thing we can do to restore prosperity is just dismantle government, refund everyone's money, let everyone write their own rules, and tell everyone they're on their own - that's not who we are. That's not the story of America."

1. why can't the gov't refund everyone's money? isn't it our money? isn't that stealing?
2. did he admit that the gov't will not allow the american people the right of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness which is promised by our own Constitution?
wikipedia defines liberty as
"a concept in political philosophy that identifies the condition in which human beings are able to govern themselves, to behave according to their own free will, and take responsibility for their actions."

someone needs to shine a huge spotlight on this comment.

[gls]

The electoral math you purport is inaccurate.

The Republican base must be won. We are in a Republican primary with a Republican candidate with Republicans who will be voting. Those are the people we MUST focus on.

So your strategy is to go after Republicans only, despite Ron Paul already being well-known (and largely dismissed) among the vast majority in the party. And to ignore independents despite that being the segment of voters which Ron Paul polls highest among -- and the determining factor in crucial early contests like the NH primary.

Doesn't make a lot of sense...

[rp08orbust]

I keep coming to this thread for tubeage, but keep going away tubeless.

N/m: Just noticed post #71.

N/m again: "Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States". Still need tubeage.

[bluesc]

If anyone can suggest an alternative video host that won't take it down within 5 minutes, I'll happily upload it.

[dannno]

I keep coming to this thread for tubeage, but keep going away tubeless.

N/m: Just noticed post #71.

N/m again: "Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States". Still need tubeage.

I'm guessing you could find it at thedailyshow.com, I can't visit that site right now.

[bluesc]

I'm guessing you could find it at thedailyshow.com, I can't visit that site right now.

That site also doesn't allow people from outside the US to view it, as far as I remember.

[heavenlyboy34]

If you watch the whole thing, he makes fun of all the candidates, Perry in particular. :) lolz

[jmdrake]

If anyone can suggest an alternative video host that won't take it down within 5 minutes, I'll happily upload it.

http://youruploadsite.com/

[Valli6]

See, this is the problem, everybody who mocks Ron Paul for this comment doesn't understand that is not what he was talking about. Right before he said that he said the government might try to confiscate or tax our wealth before we leave the country. Think: 1933 gold confiscation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

People aren't going to be sneaking into Mexico to move there, although they might. More likely they are going to use it as a launch pad to get their wealth (i.e. gold) out of the country.

And does anyone remember that around the time the economy started tanking - they passed a law requiring anyone moving out of the country to pay a tax on everything you own and plan to take with you? As it is now, it will be pretty difficult to leave unless your quite wealthy.

[bluesc]

http://youruploadsite.com/

Got it. Will upload in a second.

[lucky_bg]

That site also doesn't allow people from outside the US to view it, as far as I remember.

No, you don't remember correctly. People from outside the US can view it at thedailyshow.com
There is link at post #59

[bluesc]

No, you don't remember correctly. People from outside the US can view it at thedailyshow.com
There is link at post #59

That's funny, because you can't.

Uploaded here: http://youruploadsite.com/view/1851/js-gop/

[rp08orbust]

That's funny, because you can't.

Uploaded here: http://youruploadsite.com/view/1851/js-gop/

rep++

[AggieforPaul]

Im not going to lie, I thought Ron's comment came off kinda bad. Not because I dont think the government would ever try to "keep us in", but because Mexico specifically is not a place I think many Americans would ever try and escape to. But Ron's been right on so many other things that I dont question his predictive ability.

[AlexanderY]

Im not going to lie, I thought Ron's comment came off kinda bad. Not because I dont think the government would ever try to "keep us in", but because Mexico specifically is not a place I think many Americans would ever try and escape to. But Ron's been right on so many other things that I dont question his predictive ability.

You never know.

If TSHTF, you have no clue where you may have to seek refuge.

[TexMac]

I'm really looking forward to Ron's Daily Show appearance on the 26th! Is anyone from NYC going to go down there and try to get in? The studio is not that far from my office.How hard is it to get in?

[LisaNY]

How hard is it to get in?

I'm not sure, but now that I know Ron's going to be at Webster Hall I'll shoot down there instead.

[Carole]

Jon Stewart may see things differently once the good government folks confiscate his IRA. :D And ours, as well. :(

[driller80545]

I guess that they will need a fence across Canada next. Oh, the land of the free.......

[chadhb]

I was thinking more along the lines of a Mexican Airport, with about 20oz of Gold.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Im not going to lie, I thought Ron's comment came off kinda bad. Not because I dont think the government would ever try to "keep us in", but because Mexico specifically is not a place I think many Americans would ever try and escape to. But Ron's been right on so many other things that I dont question his predictive ability.

A country that would keep its citizens fenced in would surely lock down air travel. Getting to Mexico would be a way to get to anywhere else in the world, in such a scenario.

[angelatc]

it is quite common however to mislead and use the mundanes' fears against themselves in order to acquire more power and control.

Yes, but they're not likely to change their minds over this, because a government that might keep is fenced in is only a theory at this point. Millions of illegal immigrants coming here is a fact.