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Kludge
09-07-2011, 02:33 AM
Not much news to many of us, I suspect... Still, was interesting to see in Bloomberg Businesweek

"Sales of firearms have surged since he took office—and could plunge under a Republican Presidenthttp://images.businessweek.com/cms/2011-09-01/pol__guns37__01__600.jpgData: Bloomberg; Gun: Tim McCreary/AP Photo; Gold: Corbis

By Joshua Green

(http://www.businessweek.com/bios/joshua-green-2956.html)Rick Perry’s emergence as the frontrunner for the Republican Presidential nomination would seem like a coup for the gun industry. The Texas governor’s enthusiasm for firearms rivals Yosemite Sam’s. He has an A+ rating from the Texas State Rifle Assn. and packs a laser-sighted Ruger pistol when he jogs. Last year, he famously shot a coyote that threatened his dog during a run. To commemorate his act of valor, the manufacturer, Sturm Ruger (RGR (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=RGR)), produced a lightweight, limited-edition “Coyote Special” with the words “A True Texan” emblazoned on the barrel. Collectors snapped them up. Perry would be as ardent a champion of gun rights as has ever occupied the White House.


And yet he still may not do as much for the industry as Barack Obama already has. In the time since he took office, gun sales have soared. The government doesn’t track individual sales. But the FBI criminal background check required to purchase a gun is considered a reasonable proxy, and these have hit record numbers each year Obama has been in office. This year, they’re on track to surpass 15 million for the first time.


Ruger has done especially well. Since Obama’s inauguration the company’s stock price has risen more than 400 percent, making it a better investment than gold, which is up 113 percent. “They’ve been outstanding in offering new products, especially in the concealable handgun segment,” says Jim Barrett, an analyst at CL King who tracks the gun industry and rates the company a “strong buy.”

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Dealers and analysts have several theories. One is that hardcore gun enthusiasts fear the lousy economy will set off a crime wave. Another is that political upheaval over the federal debt may lead to riots like those in Greece and London. Still another popular, if paranoid, belief that’s taken hold among gun-rights advocates: that Obama is waiting until he is reelected to separate Americans from their firearms, prompting worried gun owners to stock up in anticipation.

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Full article with comments @ http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/why-the-gun-industry-secretly-loves-obama-09012011.html

Rael
09-07-2011, 02:36 AM
It's an interesting theory. Ammo was hard to come by in many calibers for an entire year after he took office.

oyarde
09-07-2011, 09:54 AM
Ammo has been a problem since the wars . Most of the production capability used , I guess to produce rifle ammo for the troops .

oyarde
09-07-2011, 09:56 AM
Todays Dems are pretty much weirdo war monger socialist /corparatist/commies . Commies are gun grabbers . Any Dem President with that useless Dem Senate would be enough to make people roll change and buy ammo and guns .

Cowlesy
09-07-2011, 10:06 AM
Sturm, Ruger & Company is an interesting case just because of the nature of the company itself. After old man Ruger left the company, they finally started getting into more than just the hunting arena (they've always dabbled outside it but not to any major degree). They've gotten into black guns and have some non-firearms business which has caused their stock to go to the moon.

However, if you take Smith & Wesson, which makes lots of hand-guns and black-guns, the stock has been pffft over the same time period.

Take a look at the chart at the link below and set the chart to 1yr or 5yr.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=rgr,swhc

That's why not all gun manufacturers are not created equal.

Romulus
09-07-2011, 12:20 PM
The LCP alone has done well for Ruger... it only takes one item sometimes.... like the iPod for Apple... etc

PastaRocket848
09-07-2011, 12:29 PM
yeah... that's not an apples-for-apples comparison. ruger has had a lot of success in the market recently outside of any political factors.

brushfire
09-07-2011, 12:37 PM
The LCP alone has done well for Ruger... it only takes one item sometimes.... like the iPod for Apple... etc

You're right, but it didnt end there...

LCR, LCR357, LCP, SR9, SR9C, SR556 and LC9 have all attributed to Ruger's recent success over the past few years... They also now have the SR1911 which is proving to be quite popular, and the Mini14 which is another popular personal defense firearm... Their timing was perfect as their development coincided with the obummer administration - which really stimulated the firearms/ammo market.

Ruger is offering high value/low dollar self defense products now, where they used to only do sports and law enforcement. Bill Ruger supported the AWB which had essentially alienated their personal defense customer base, but I must say that this has turned out to be the success story of the decade, IMO.

Romulus
09-07-2011, 12:40 PM
I shot a buddies SR9 and it was wonderful for me.... I'm looking at the SR9C and a 10/22 as well.... I do like my LCP too... I sold my old S&W.40 el cheapo with that horrible trigger so I've been becoming brand loyal to Ruger...

Cowlesy
09-07-2011, 01:36 PM
I'd still like to take the new Ruger Gunsite Scout out sometime.

AFPVet
09-07-2011, 01:50 PM
Interestingly, the only ammo which is abundantly available today are mail order specialty ammo from wholesalers like Double Tap. You can get cases of the stuff shipped to you within a week. Also, firearms such as Glock can't get them out fast enough... already, there are backorder lines for the new generation 4's for at least a few months (Glock 21).

pcosmar
09-07-2011, 02:12 PM
I'd still like to take the new Ruger Gunsite Scout out sometime.

The Left handed version is on my wish list, if we ever get past prohibition.

fisharmor
09-07-2011, 03:18 PM
Agreed, Ruger has market share because they are choosing to compete honestly now, as opposed to cuddling up to the state and getting it to cripple the competition.
They took a Kel-Tec P-3AT, made it so that it's not a project gun straight out of the box, and sold it at the same price point.
Then they took all that money and invested in other winning projects.
Then Kel-Tec had to diversify and start doing weird stuff like bullpup shotguns.
Everybody wins, especially the consumers. It's a textbook case of how things are supposed to work.

I think that the relaxed gun laws in the country has more to do with it than Obama. The guy literally can't get anything right.


The Left handed version is on my wish list, if we ever get past prohibition.

So, snatching on my last sentence - imagine how well all gun companies would do if guys like pcosmar could buy guns?
Ruger is doing well because they are able to sell guns, now that they've stopped telling the federal government to get people to stop buying guns (this isn't rocket science).
Remove the other bullshit restrictions, and we all win even bigger.

Pericles
09-07-2011, 09:57 PM
Ammo has been a problem since the wars . Most of the production capability used , I guess to produce rifle ammo for the troops .

Actually - NOT. Military small arms ammunition is manufactured at the Lake City Army Ammunition plant, and in 2005, a second plant got set up for an additional 300 million rounds per year.

Every month, the amount of ammunition sold in the civilian market equals military production for the year.

oyarde
09-08-2011, 10:19 AM
Actually - NOT. Military small arms ammunition is manufactured at the Lake City Army Ammunition plant, and in 2005, a second plant got set up for an additional 300 million rounds per year.

Every month, the amount of ammunition sold in the civilian market equals military production for the year. So the mostly empty shelves were from increased sales ??

Pericles
09-08-2011, 11:52 AM
So the mostly empty shelves were from increased sales ??

NICS checks for gun purchases are on track to hit 15 million for the year (highest ever), so everybody is arming up. Those weapons are not much use without ammunition.