Turkish naval warships to escort next Gaza aid flotilla

[devil21]

Could this be what pops off WW3? This would usually be Foreign Policy forum but this could be big.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-turkey-navy-to-escort-aid-ships-to-palestinians-in-gaza-1.382305


The Turkish navy will significantly strengthen its presence in the eastern Mediterranean Sea as one of the steps the Turkish government has decided to take following the release of the UN Palmer report on the 2010 Gaza flotilla, Turkish officials told the Hurriyet Daily News.

"The eastern Mediterranean will no longer be a place where Israeli naval forces can freely exercise their bullying practices against civilian vessels," a Turkish official was quoted as saying.

As part of the plan, the Turkish navy will increase its patrols in the eastern Mediterranean and pursue "a more aggressive strategy".

According to the report, Turkish naval vessels will accompany civilian ships carrying aid to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Another goal of the plan is to ensure free navigation in the region between Cyprus and Israel. The region includes areas where Israel and Cyprus cooperate in drilling for oil and gas.

Additionally, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan instructed his foreign ministry to organize a trip for him to the Gaza Strip in the near future.

"We are looking for the best timing for the visit,” a Turkish official was quoted as saying. “Our primary purpose is to draw the world’s attention to what is going on in Gaza and to push the international community to end the unfair embargo imposed by Israel.”

[moderate libertarian]

Could this be what pops off WW3? This would usually be Foreign Policy forum but this could be big.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-turkey-navy-to-escort-aid-ships-to-palestinians-in-gaza-1.382305


Turkey has adavanced military capability and will react very differently if any of its ships is attacked than reaction US had showed after Israeli attack on USS Liberty.

Turkey is also a member of NATO and atack on one is deemed as attack on all NATO members. Israel will not dare attack Turkish war ships, it is no match for Turkish and NATO militaries and any battle could be over very quickly.

Perhaps God's hand has secretly decided to bring freedom and equality to land where Jesus once walked. Already Sep 2011 is looking like a historic month that could create independent Palestinian State on Sep 20th, 2011 and bring anti racism conference to New York on Sep 22nd as Dublin III.

[moderate libertarian]

Ahead of Sep 20th, momentous changes keep unfolding.



Turkey to sign strategic alliance with Egypt

Ankara-Cairo relations receive boost as crisis with Israel worsens: Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan slated to visit Cairo and possibly Gaza soon to sign strategic cooperation agreement with Egypt. Meanwhile, recently expelled Israeli ambassador Gaby Levy says there's no chance he will return to Ankara

Published: 09.04.11

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is slated to visit Egypt and Gaza soon to sign strategic cooperation agreements with Cairo, just days after the leaking of the Palmer Report which led to a new low in Israel-Turkey relations.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4117727,00.html

[moderate libertarian]

Turkey is also a US NATO ally, is US passive as Turkey imposes defense trade sanctions on Israel?

Or did US help create an atmosphere where such major dis from Turkey occured.


Robert Gates: Israel an ungrateful ally

Former US secretary of defense says Prime Minister Netanyahu's policies isolating Israel on a global level

09.06.11

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4118316,00.html

[eduardo89]

Turkey can escort the ships, but as soon as they reach Israeli territorial waters the Turks will have to back off.

[moderate libertarian]

Why you think that?

[fj45lvr]

Turkey can escort the ships, but as soon as they reach Israeli territorial waters the Turks will have to back off. You mean Palestinian waters?? They are not Israel's no matter how much they claim they are. It seems unlike the American Indian, that the Palestinians are not rolling over so easily and giving up.

[libertarian4321]

You mean Palestinian waters?? They are not Israel's no matter how much they claim they are. It seems unlike the American Indian, that the Palestinians are not rolling over so easily and giving up.

Neither the US, nor NATO, nor any other country of note recognizes "Palestine" as a nation. Hence, those are Israeli waters, no matter how much some people wish it weren't true.

There isn't a chance in Hell that the US or NATO would back Turkey in trying to prevent Israel from controlling it's coastal waters. Nor is it likely that Turkey would do anything.

This looks like posturing by Turkey, nothing more.

[Cowlesy]

Could this be what pops off WW3? This would usually be Foreign Policy forum but this could be big.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-turkey-navy-to-escort-aid-ships-to-palestinians-in-gaza-1.382305

I hope not. Man I am so tired of the stupid middle east.

[fj45lvr]

Neither the US, nor NATO, nor any other country of note recognizes "Palestine" as a nation. Hence, those are Israeli waters, no matter how much some people wish it weren't true.

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people have to look to statists to "sanction" stealing and frauds....why of course!!! that's pretty much why states exist. completely asinine to contend that people that have never lived in an area can claim that the "waters" belong to them (kind of like KINGS claiming lands they never set foot on to themselves....see N. America, S. America, Africa, Asia, Australia, etc. and etc.

you'd think that the same Bullshit would stop flying in the "modern" era but alas...no.

ironically "israel" uni-laterally declares themselves a nation in 1948 but the people that actually inhabit the land cannot do the same?? and fools try to come around here and stand up for the state?? its a joke. People have rights no matter what other people say under the disquise of some "nation".....

[-C-]

We fund Israel, we fund Turkey. We practically own both of their intelligence houses. MI6/CIA controls, top down, their intelligence assets.

So we've created the classic imperial situation, where we fund both sides, and take what we want after they're done wearing each other out.

[bolil]

We fund Israel, we fund Turkey. We practically own both of their intelligence houses. MI6/CIA controls, top down, their intelligence assets.

So we've created the classic imperial situation, where we fund both sides, and take what we want after they're done wearing each other out.
Agreed unless, of course, we don't have vertical control. Which I don't think we do. This situation might be defused with Israel backing down and allowing the flotilla to go unmolested. Or by a sudden event that allows Turkey to withdraw her navy before conflict. At this point, save these options... if the Turkish navy is attacked then I see the sun rising many times before the year is done. Either way, we keep bribing peace along, or get wasteland. Would Israel use her nukes?

[fj45lvr]

Would Israel use her nukes?

the state is not a person of course....but the psychopathic men in charge have threatened to do so...they seem about the same as the U.S. in having little to no problem with killing civilians to exert their arbitrary will

[-C-]

Agreed unless, of course, we don't have vertical control. Which I don't think we do. This situation might be defused with Israel backing down and allowing the flotilla to go unmolested. Or by a sudden event that allows Turkey to withdraw her navy before conflict. At this point, save these options... if the Turkish navy is attacked then I see the sun rising many times before the year is done. Either way, we keep bribing peace along, or get wasteland. Would Israel use her nukes?

Tony Blair has Bibi Netanfailyou in his back pocket, so technically you're right. "We" do not have control over the middle-east, nor have we ever. The British-Saudi apparatus puppets that region and just uses the US as a front for it. Let us not forget that the current Elizabeth II was crowned "Queen of thy people Israel" when she was corronated to her throne. Dare I mention that the British controlled Palestine and essentially "gave" Israel to the Jewish people. There will be no more "conventional" world wars. The day for that is over, of course nuclear weapons would, and will be used, if it comes to that.

[jmdrake]

Another view on the blockade and territorial waters.....it seems to always be about fossil fuels.

http://www.a-w-i-p.com/media/blogs/news/Newsdirectory2/PAL_gaza_gas_map_cropped.jpg
http://www.a-w-i-p.com/index.php/news/2010/07/12/the-siege-against-gaza-america-s-ongoing

The Issue of Territorial Waters: Gaza's Offshore Gas Fields

The Issue of Territorial Waters: Gaza's Offshore Gas Fields Israel's blockade of Gaza is in large part motivated by the broader issue of control of Gaza's territorial waters, which contain significant reserves of natural gas. What is at stake is the confiscation of Palestinian gas fields and the unilateral de facto declaration of Israeli sovereignty over Gaza's maritime areas. If the blockade were to be broken, Israel's de facto control over Gaza's offshore gas reserves would be jeopardy. The BG licence covers the entire Gazan offshore marine area, which is contiguous to several Israeli offshore gas facilities. (See Map below). It should be noted that 60 percent of the gas reserves along the Gaza-Israel coastline belong to Palestine. The issue of sovereignty over Gaza's gas fields is crucial. From a legal standpoint, the gas reserves belong to Palestine. The BG Group drilled two wells in 2000: Gaza Marine-1 and Gaza Marine-2. Reserves are estimated by British Gas to be of the order of 1.4 trillion cubic feet, valued at approximately 4 billion dollars. These are the figures made public by British Gas. The size of Palestine's gas reserves could be much larger. The death of Yasser Arafat, the election of the Hamas government and the ruin of the Palestinian Authority have enabled Israel to establish de facto control over Gaza's offshore gas reserves.

[Noob]

Turkish general arrested over coup plot

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/197585.html

http://jafrianews.com/2011/09/07/turkish-general-arrested-over-coup-plot/




Israeli official to Clinton: Declare Turkey a terror-supporting state

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-255526-israeli-official-to-clinton-declare-turkey-a-terror-supporting-state.html

[Noob]

We fund Israel, we fund Turkey. We practically own both of their intelligence houses. MI6/CIA controls, top down, their intelligence assets.

So we've created the classic imperial situation, where we fund both sides, and take what we want after they're done wearing each other out.

Well China agree to loan America more money to pay for it?

[moderate libertarian]

Neither the US, nor NATO, nor any other country of note recognizes "Palestine" as a nation. Hence, those are Israeli waters, no matter how much some people wish it weren't true.


What is a "country of note".

Russia, China, India or none of the 122 countries in the world that have recognized Palestinian State is a country of note?

http://www.thisweekinpalestine.com/ADS/NO.pdf

Is Iraq, whose liberation was so important that over 80,000 Americans lost lives or body parts and will cost over $3 Trillion to tax payers, a country of note? They have also recognized them as a state.
After Sep 20 UN vote and Sep 22 anti racism conference in NY, much of the world will very likely start treating Israel as "South Africa" of the 80s and 90s until their occupation over Palestinian people and land ends.

[devil21]

The rhetoric has steadily been building since this original story was published.

Israel has responded with threats. Turkey has expelled the Israeli diplomat and recently stated they were ready to go to war with Israel. Keep watching this exchange as it appears to be escalating.