Presidential Poll (be honest!)

[The Magic Hoof]

Vote in the poll. I'm curious.

[Sjmfury]

I'd rather have Obama then Perry, ugh my stomach hurts....

[silentshout]

I'd rather have Obama then Perry, ugh my stomach hurts....
^^

[TexMac]

Agree, Perry would be even worse than Obama.

[Anti Federalist]

My personal situation might improve WRT work and income (Ken Salazar is quite literally making me broke) under a Perry regime.

But all in all, the system will march on much the same as it has done all along.

Which is why I don't care, and will be voting RP in 2012, even if that does "help Obama win".

Making a stand for freedom and peace, even if futile, is more important than a paycheck to me.

[Rothbardian Girl]

It's Ron Paul or go home for me. I'll write his name in if I have to. I wouldn't be happy with a repeat of Obama or anyone in the GOP other than Paul.

[The Magic Hoof]

Can someone tell me why Perry would be worse than Obama? I'm hearing that from a family member too.

[smartguy911]

where the option for things being worse with Perry?

[smartguy911]

Can someone tell me why Perry would be worse than Obama? I'm hearing that from a family member too.

Obama is a socialist and he is proud of it. Perry I have no clue which side he is on.

[TexMac]

Can someone tell me why Perry would be worse than Obama? I'm hearing that from a family member too.

Rick Perry and the Neocons (http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2011/08/17/rick-perry-and-the-neocons/)

Just for starters

[pcosmar]

Can someone tell me why Perry would be worse than Obama? I'm hearing that from a family member too.

Better?, worse?,,, I think about the same. Same agendas, same Globalist goals, same backers, same handlers, same shit.

Can you give any reason he would be any better?

[Sola_Fide]

4 more years of Obama will ignite the Tea Parties... Rand will win in a randslide in 2016...other Constitutionalists will gain traction around the country...

So I will choose Obama over Perry. When Rand runs for reelection in 2020, it will be the year of the eye doctor.

[The Free Hornet]

Can someone tell me why Perry would be worse than Obama? I'm hearing that from a family member too.

Because Perry is a statist who will have two Republican houses who will support rather than oppose his policies. What is he going to do that is different from Bush or Obama? However bad it may be to have Obama in office, there will at least be a fight in Washington. The republicans were shit under Bush and they would be shit under Perry. Especially more so when you consider that his election would be an AFFIRMATION of the direction in which this country is going.

Nothing less than an economic disaster will cause them to even question monetary policy. I think Paul can prevent that disaster. Obama will be kept in check. Perry is a bad idea with no brakes.

[Sjmfury]

4 more years of Obama will ignite the Tea Parties... Rand will win in a randslide in 2016...other Constitutionalists will gain traction around the country...

So I will choose Obama over Perry. When Rand runs for reelection in 2020, it will be the year of the eye doctor.

Agreed.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Before the 2008 elections, would have said "McCain and Obama don't have a dime's worth of difference". And mostly that's been true.

But if we could rewind to 2008, might just go with McCain. Obama has proven him to be an interventionist, which was the one thing it was thought he had over McCain then. Imagine no Obamacare and especially no ambiguous softball player and 'wise Latina' on the U.S. Supreme Court. Obama has been an utter disaster in every way imaginable.

Hopefully it won't come down to such a sorry choice again in 2012.

[low preference guy]

Before the 2008 elections, would have said "McCain and Obama don't have a dime's worth of difference". And mostly that's been true.

But if we could rewind to 2008, might just go with McCain. Obama has proven him to be an interventionist, which was the one thing it was thought he had over McCain then. Imagine no Obamacare and especially no ambiguous softball player and 'wise Latina' on the U.S. Supreme Court. Obama has been an utter disaster in every way imaginable.

Hopefully it won't come down to such a sorry choice again in 2012.

McCain Presidency = No Tea Party movement/Senator Rand Paul

[Kludge]

4 more years of Obama will ignite the Tea Parties... Rand will win in a randslide in 2016...other Constitutionalists will gain traction around the country...

So I will choose Obama over Perry. When Rand runs for reelection in 2020, it will be the year of the eye doctor.

I kind of lean toward that. Obama's proving liberals aren't... well - liberal. Obama's utter decimation of the first amendment (which I honestly - at first - didn't think could be worse than what happened under Bush) is an incredible argument against the Democrat Party (or "mainstream US liberalism") and has the tech community constantly railing against Obama. The EFF, for example, is frequently bashing Obama's policies, as well as the ACLU. Already opposed to "mainstream" Republican offerings, that will either push them toward us, apathy, and/or cognitive dissonance.

[pcosmar]

What would Obamacare have been called if McCain had pushed it through?

He would have. We know what Romneycare would have been called.. And the "R"s push the same shit but just sell it differently.

[pcosmar]

I kind of lean toward that. Obama's proving liberals aren't... well - liberal..

I thought Clinton proved that.
Is it short term memory loss or just selective memories.

[Anti Federalist]

Can someone tell me why Perry would be worse than Obama? I'm hearing that from a family member too.

Perry has a nasty authoritarian streak in him.

He is, quite literally, evil, as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308368

[The Magic Hoof]

Can someone point me to some material that talks about how Perry is a globalist? Or mention some of it here? I know he met with the Bildebergs and he supported NAFTA, but is there anything else? Proof wise?

[The Magic Hoof]

Uh oh.... I just realized that if Perry has the same kind of foreign policy that Bush did, then that means we'll pretty much 100% be going to war with Iran, no?

[RedLightning]

I think things would be slightly bettery under Perry. Though don't worry I won't be voting for him.

[BlackTerrel]

I'd vote for Obama over Perry so no option for me in that poll.

[Ronpauljones]

Perry would be far worse.

[The Magic Hoof]

Perry is apparently running on some kind of abolish the fed, repeal income taxes, small government ticket, but everyone is saying he'd be worse. Take in mind I am NOT for Perry whatsoever and it wouldn't surprise me if he were 10Xs worse than Obama. I'm just trying to find out exactly why he'd be worse. Is it because he'd send military all over the place and bankrupt us even further? I want to see some more stuff on his globalist views.

[libertybrewcity]

I don't see how you could get any worse than Obama....but I think you have to take into consideration who controls the house and senate. A gridlocked legislature can't do a whole lot, and the worst is it would slow things down so they wouldn't be pushed through so fast.

I fear for a Republican presidency because of foreign policy...I think messing with other countries could have a blowback that is unimaginable. But, a republican presidency might knock down some of the domestic policy of dems...but who really knows. I have little hope for this country. Ron is like the only light shining brightly.

[Peace&Freedom]

Obama in the White House has been helpful to Paul, by his showing America that there is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans insofar as major statist policy is concerned, and because with a "commie liberal" in charge, rank and file conservatives have been more receptive to Paul's critique of foreign policy and Fed policy. With another spendthrift, war whopping GOP hypocrite in charge, FOX and other media would largely shut out Paul's voice, as they did throughout the Bush era.

[scrosnoe]

where is the option worse with Perry --- just in case we perchance (not saying I do) feel that way :p

[Xenophage]

The same.

[Lucille]

4 more years of Obama will ignite the Tea Parties... Rand will win in a randslide in 2016...other Constitutionalists will gain traction around the country...

So I will choose Obama over Perry. When Rand runs for reelection in 2020, it will be the year of the eye doctor.

This. I'll write in Paul if Perry is the nominee. Plus, the economy will only get worse, and it would be better if the decline and/or collapse happens under the D team than the R team (for all its faults). Also, the neoclowns also need to be utterly rejected by the electorate, again. I'm not sure why they even bother putting up a candidate, since Obama's Welfare-Warfare-Police State should make them pretty happy.

[aGameOfThrones]

What would Obamacare have been called if McCain had pushed it through?

He would have. We know what Romneycare would have been called.. And the "R"s push the same shit but just sell it differently.

MaverickCare :toady:

[Eric21ND]

Strategically speaking an Obama win helps our movement and Rand Paul's Presidential run. A Rick Perry victory would only muddy the waters and set us back to circa Bush era republicanism.

[amy31416]

MaverickCare :toady:

Oh, and when Putin rears his ugly head, and the economy and some of them, all of them.........JOBS! Yes, it's all about jobs and job creation!

Had a little flashback there...sheesh.

[freeforall]

Uh oh.... I just realized that if Perry has the same kind of foreign policy that Bush did, then that means we'll pretty much 100% be going to war with Iran, no?

Isn't that the reason he has so much money backing him?

[freeforall]

Strategically speaking an Obama win helps our movement and Rand Paul's Presidential run. A Rick Perry victory would only muddy the waters and set us back to circa Bush era republicanism.

Of course, it is preferred for Paul to be president first. Just imagine 16 years of a libertarian white house!!