Anarchists in Wisconsin Tell Teabaggers to get ready [Archive]

specsaregood

08-30-2011, 08:45 AM

You mean "chaos", not anarchy.

Depends on which definition you want to use. My usage is correct as well:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy

an·ar·chy
noun
1. a state of society without government or law.
2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.

3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.

4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.

RM918

08-30-2011, 08:47 AM

Those who use violence are not anarchists in deed. They seek to impose their rule over others by force. These are just derelict punks that want what they haven't earned.

So...they're communists.

Brooklyn Red Leg

08-30-2011, 08:52 AM

So...they're communists.

Exactly. They're not anarchists, since they're basically advocating violence.

Brian4Liberty

08-30-2011, 08:53 AM

This subject has come up many times. What is the definition of "anarchy"? Unfortunately, it no longer has it's original meaning, defined by it's obvious roots. It now means those who engage in vandalism, destruction, violence and chaos. That's just the way it is.

Feeding the Abscess

08-30-2011, 09:04 AM

The comments section is like a fucking South Park episode. Giant case of DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERP in just about every post.

PeteinLA

08-30-2011, 11:06 AM

If they both could manage to wipe each other out.:)

brushfire

08-30-2011, 11:11 AM

Ready for what? I've heard Glenn Beck making that same statement... What happened to tell your neighbor?

FrankRep

08-30-2011, 11:12 AM

Ready for what? I've heard Glenn Beck making that same statement... What happened to tell your neighbor?
What happened in Egypt?

Duh?

FrankRep

08-30-2011, 11:13 AM

Ready for what? I've heard Glenn Beck making that same statement... What happened to tell your neighbor?
What happened in Egypt?

LibertyEagle

08-30-2011, 11:14 AM

If they both could manage to wipe each other out.:)

You want us to be wiped out? Ron Paul is the intellectual godfather of the tea party.

LibertyEagle

08-30-2011, 11:20 AM

The comments section is like a fucking South Park episode. Giant case of DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERP in just about every post.

How so? I didn't read them all, but what I read sounded like some old-fashioned Americans who weren't going to stand for some punks treading on them or their private property. Reminds me of some other folks I know and respect, actually. :)

oyarde

08-30-2011, 11:25 AM

I am fearful of few things , but being fearful of a Wisconsin union commie is laughable .

brushfire

08-30-2011, 11:30 AM

What happened in Egypt?

You've missed my point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnDPA1MO4Yg

Glenn beck has made a name for himself by talking about "getting ready" yet he attacks others for saying the same thing... Hypocrisy, anyone?

PeteinLA

08-30-2011, 11:30 AM

You want us to be wiped out? Ron Paul is the intellectual godfather of the tea party.

It was a reaction to some of the comments on there about Ron Paul. There are quite a few that think these anarcho-communists are associated with Paul. Strange to say the least.

WilliamC

08-30-2011, 11:30 AM

I gettin' ready allright...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMJvHpcq52g&feature=related

LibertyEagle

08-30-2011, 11:34 AM

It was a reaction to some of the comments on there about Ron Paul. There are quite a few that think these anarcho-communists are associated with Paul. Strange to say the least.

Because some anarcho-capitalists do support Paul. Though, they are about as far from Communists as one can get.

I doubt most people realize that there are different types of anarchists, much less delineate between them.

Food for thought.

NewRightLibertarian

08-30-2011, 12:03 PM

I doubt most people realize that there are different types of anarchists, much less delineate between them.

People have been conditioned to associate anarchy with random chaos and madness. These anarchists aren't helping change opinions with their violent threats. But what anarchist would associate with a communist anyway? It seems like this band of idiots just wants to displace the current power structure so they can rule.

LibertyEagle

08-30-2011, 12:05 PM

People have been conditioned to associate anarchy with random chaos and madness. These anarchists aren't helping change opinions with their violent threats. But what anarchist would associate with a communist anyway? It seems like this band of idiots just wants to displace the current power structure so they can rule.

I am certainly no expert in this, but I believe there is such a thing as an anarcho-communist.

NewRightLibertarian

08-30-2011, 12:07 PM

I am certainly no expert in this, but I believe there is such a thing as an anarcho-communist.

Ah, ok.

AuH20

08-30-2011, 12:07 PM

Ready for what? I've heard Glenn Beck making that same statement... What happened to tell your neighbor?

I think this tool (the RAAN rep in the video) was implying that the masses are going to destroy and confiscate private property. Frankly, they don't have the balls to take on the gubment.

angelatc

08-30-2011, 12:13 PM

Because some anarcho-capitalists do support Paul. Though, they are about as far from Communists as one can get.

I doubt most people realize that there are different types of anarchists, much less delineate between them.

Food for thought.

No, most don't care about the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism, either. The anarchists here are just too selfish to put their agenda ahead of Ron Paul. They don't care that the moniker hurts him politically - they're all consumed with proving their mental superiority to see (or care about) the damage that they do.

They'd rather loftily post the same drivel about "most people don't really understand the word," without caring that the definition that 99% of the world uses is a detrimental association.

angelatc

08-30-2011, 12:14 PM

I think this tool (the RAAN rep in the video) was implying that the masses are going to destroy and confiscate private property. Frankly, they don't have the balls to take on the gubment.

Yes, but remember a large part of the government is union.

specsaregood

08-30-2011, 12:15 PM

People have been conditioned to associate anarchy with random chaos and madness.

Well its not just a matter of conditioning, its in the dictionary as a legit use of the word.

Travlyr

08-30-2011, 12:15 PM

It was a reaction to some of the comments on there about Ron Paul. There are quite a few that think these anarcho-communists are associated with Paul. Strange to say the least.

This is the problem. It is not really all that strange. Most older voters use dictionaries.

Because some anarcho-capitalists do support Paul. Though, they are about as far from Communists as one can get.

I doubt most people realize that there are different types of anarchists, much less delineate between them.

Food for thought.

I doubt it too. As a matter of fact, I am convinced that most baby boomers and seniors will stand their ground against anarchists. And few know there are different types and fewer even care.

Defining the Red & Anarchist Action Network - redanarchist.org/definition/index.html

brushfire

08-30-2011, 12:18 PM

OrigSEOH

08-30-2011, 12:19 PM

lol...here is a old one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i1-j1IZEKw&feature=artist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i1-j1IZEKw&feature=artist

NewRightLibertarian

08-30-2011, 12:21 PM

Well its not just a matter of conditioning, its in the dictionary as a legit use of the word.

It has become recognized as chaos and disorder over time because of the conditioning IMO. 9 times out of 10 when you hear the word used, it's used to describe chaos.

Invi

08-30-2011, 12:52 PM

The comments section is disgusting. So many calls for violence. :/

brushfire

08-30-2011, 12:56 PM

The comments section is disgusting. So many calls for violence. :/

"Bit muscle"

AuH20

08-30-2011, 01:20 PM

Ah, I see.

Molan labe...

Here's my perspective on this interesting social landscape. As far as I'm concerned, the government and it's various sub-components are the greatest threat to freedom in this country and I anticipate there being a titanic clash at some point. Now regarding these street demonstrators/"anarchists" and the implied threat of looting, they're not really on my radar, and in all honesty are a waste of energy as well as ammo, but rest assured I will not hesitate to put someone down if they threaten my property.

thehungarian

08-30-2011, 02:20 PM

Oddly enough, a couple nights ago I dreamt that my apartment complex was raided and looted by a band of unruly teens. I assumed they were communists. Maybe I really can predict the future.

Anarchist

08-30-2011, 02:48 PM

Depends on which definition you want to use. My usage is correct as well:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy
3. "a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society". Rules/Laws but NO Rulers. Voluntary Association, Mutual Cooperation, 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty. They demonize Anarchy so people will not research the true philosophy of Anarchism. The use of force or fraud in any of it's forms to achieve social, political, economic, cultural, religious, personal or other unlawful gain Should be a Capitol Offense. The only legitimate use of force in any of it's forms is for the protection of Life and Property.

WilliamC

08-30-2011, 02:55 PM

3. "a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society". Rules/Laws but NO Rulers. Voluntary Association, Mutual Cooperation, 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty. They demonize Anarchy so people will not research the true philosophy of Anarchism. The use of force or fraud in any of it's forms to achieve social, political, economic, cultural, religious, personal or other unlawful gain Should be a Capitol Offense.

Works for me, where do I sign up?

Alas I fear that most people actually want for someone to be vested with some 'higher' authority than the masses, and of these people most of them aren't actually interested in the job so long as the person in authority mostly agrees with them and does things they like.

That's my only problem with anarchy, it seems to go against human nature :(

ItsTime

08-30-2011, 02:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db1s-eV-Bd0

Brooklyn Red Leg

08-30-2011, 08:44 PM

Again, I have a hard time buying that these RAAN demonstrators are anarchists. Calling for violence is the antithesis of actual Anarchism (even as contradictory as Anarcho-Communism and Anarcho-Syndicalism are).

RonPaulFanInGA

08-30-2011, 09:01 PM

No, most don't care about the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism, either. The anarchists here are just too selfish to put their agenda ahead of Ron Paul. They don't care that the moniker hurts him politically - they're all consumed with proving their mental superiority to see (or care about) the damage that they do.

They'd rather loftily post the same drivel about "most people don't really understand the word," without caring that the definition that 99% of the world uses is a detrimental association.

Anarchists are sort of like white supremacists, in that they're both fighting a never-ending quixotic public relations battle to gain their cause respectability and acceptance. No amount of sugarcoating will fool enough people.

Anti Federalist

08-30-2011, 09:03 PM

I am certainly no expert in this, but I believe there is such a thing as an anarcho-communist.

Yes, there most certainly is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

Immanuel Kant's four forms of society I've always found interesting.

A Law And Freedom without Violence (Anarchy)
B Law And Violence without Freedom (Despotism)
C Violence without Freedom And Law (Barbarism)
D Violence with Freedom And Law (Republic)

Slutter McGee

08-30-2011, 09:17 PM

Yes, I understand that these are idiot anarcho-socialists and punks but just think about this for a second.

Tea-Party - "Less Government. More Freedom"
Anarchists - "FUCK YOU tea-party"
Everyone else - "HUH?"

Slutter McGee

nbhadja

08-30-2011, 09:27 PM

Who says anarchists can't use violence?

An anarchist can use both violence or non violence. That is irrelevant to whether you are an anarchist or not.

NewRightLibertarian

08-30-2011, 09:32 PM

Anarchists are sort of like white supremacists, in that they're both fighting a never-ending quixotic public relations battle to gain their cause respectability and acceptance. No amount of sugarcoating will fool enough people.

That's the dumbest comparison I've heard in my life.

VoluntaryAmerican

08-30-2011, 10:47 PM

A Communist - Anarchist alliance?

That worked out well during the Spanish Civil war.

CaptainAmerica

08-30-2011, 10:49 PM

Controlled oppositions. How ironic..who is pulling the puppet strings of the neo-teaparty and the "anarchists" in the video?Anyhow those who said "its coming"....they are making threats against others openly.

Anarchist

09-02-2011, 08:05 AM

Works for me, where do I sign up?

Alas I fear that most people actually want for someone to be vested with some 'higher' authority than the masses, and of these people most of them aren't actually interested in the job so long as the person in authority mostly agrees with them and does things they like.

That's my only problem with anarchy, it seems to go against human nature :(

You sigh up in your mind by educating your self. A volunteer fire dept or EMS is an example of the philosophy of Anarchism. No one forced these individuals to join the fire dept. Voluntary Association you choose, your choice. These individuals through Voluntary Association come together in Mutual Cooperation to work together to provide a necessary service to the community. No one forced them to, they do it because for them it's the right thing to do in support of their community. There are many opportunities to come together through Voluntary Association and Mutual Cooperation to change the world without the use of force or fraud. 110% Personal Responsibility is required to achieve 100% Individual Liberty.

brushfire

09-02-2011, 08:13 AM

Here's my perspective on this interesting social landscape. As far as I'm concerned, the government and it's various sub-components are the greatest threat to freedom in this country and I anticipate there being a titanic clash at some point. Now regarding these street demonstrators/"anarchists" and the implied threat of looting, they're not really on my radar, and in all honesty are a waste of energy as well as ammo, but rest assured I will not hesitate to put someone down if they threaten my property.

It is your right, and responsibility, to do so. Well prepared people generally dont worry about these threats - I can appreciate that. In fact, I take that same stance.

WilliamC

09-02-2011, 08:16 AM

You sigh up in your mind by educating your self. A volunteer fire dept or EMS is an example of the philosophy of Anarchism. No one forced these individuals to join the fire dept. Voluntary Association you choose, your choice. These individuals through Voluntary Association come together in Mutual Cooperation to work together to provide a necessary service to the community. No one forced them to, they do it because for them it's the right thing to do in support of their community. There are many opportunities to come together through Voluntary Association and Mutual Cooperation to change the world without the use of force or fraud. 110% Personal Responsibility is required to achieve 100% Individual Liberty.

Thanks for the response and yes, voluntarism is not against human nature, my apologies if I implied this.

Just seems that there is too much other human nature waiting to take advantage for voluntarism to be the end all be all of human interactions.

Some folks just insist on physically doing unto others against others will, and while I'm sure the perpetrator might think the victim is 'volunterring' to give up possessions for security (to take a specific example) I somehow assume you and I would agree that is a misuse of the word.

But again, yes, perhaps the best we can do as individuals is simply volunteer to support those things we believe in with our time and energy and hope for the best.

Anarchist

09-02-2011, 08:45 AM

Thanks for the response and yes, voluntarism is not against human nature, my apologies if I implied this.

Just seems that there is too much other human nature waiting to take advantage for voluntarism to be the end all be all of human interactions.

Some folks just insist on physically doing unto others against others will, and while I'm sure the perpetrator might think the victim is 'volunterring' to give up possessions for security (to take a specific example) I somehow assume you and I would agree that is a misuse of the word.

But again, yes, perhaps the best we can do as individuals is simply volunteer to support those things we believe in with our time and energy and hope for the best.

The only legitimate use of force is the protection of Life or Property. Those that use force for other than the protection of Life or Property need to be educated at the end of a rope. We used to hang horse thieves and bank robbers. Maybe we should bring back the gallows to help change some minds. We could start with the politicians who keep voting our natural rights away. Hey, there's an idea for job creation, build gallows in front of every County Courthouse in the Nation. After a few hangings I think we would have a more polite and civil society.

oyarde

09-02-2011, 10:42 AM

WilliamC

09-02-2011, 11:56 AM

The only legitimate use of force is the protection of Life or Property. Those that use force for other than the protection of Life or Property need to be educated at the end of a rope. We used to hang horse thieves and bank robbers. Maybe we should bring back the gallows to help change some minds. We could start with the politicians who keep voting our natural rights away. Hey, there's an idea for job creation, build gallows in front of every County Courthouse in the Nation. After a few hangings I think we would have a more polite and civil society.

Sir yes sir!

I was going to suggest how a voluntary society would be much more workable were everyone more universally armed but had refrained from doing so.

Silly me!

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