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HeyArchie
08-21-2011, 03:50 PM
Think about it...

If Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann get the nomination, I will be staying home election day. I assume a lot of you will do the same, some will vote for whoever the GOP puts on the ticket, others may vote for a third party or Obama. But, I think most RP supporters would be reluctant to vote for any GOP talking head.

But the neocons, the rest of the GOP... I think they would do anything just to not have Obama in office. Even if Paul doesn't fit the status quo, it is in the best interests of the GOP to nominate him because he takes votes AWAY from Obama. More so than any other candidate and more than the GOP would lose from having someone with such an "extreme" foreign policy who wants to "legalize" heroin. At the end of the day, I like to think the average GOP voter is mostly concerned with monetary policies, in which Paul is right in line with the rest of the GOP.

Does this make sense to anyone else or just me?

FreedomProsperityPeace
08-21-2011, 04:03 PM
They believe that we're sufficiently small enough that we don't matter, or that enough of can be swayed back into the fold. I think the GOP establishment is just stubborn enough to see a repeat of '08 if it means retaining control of the party with neocon and socon planks in place.

Cleaner44
08-21-2011, 04:05 PM
My stance is that Ron Paul is the future President unless Republican voters decide to divide the party and hand the white house to Obama. Either they unite behind Ron Paul and win or they divide the party and lose. My vote is not changing, it is the Rombacherry voters that need to wise up and forget about their unelectable long shot candidates.

If they thought McCain losing by 10 million votes was bad, just wait and see what happens if they do not nominate Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is the ONE!

Lovecraftian4Paul
08-21-2011, 04:06 PM
They think Ron Paul supporters are insignificant. Also, they believe everyone thinks like they do. The average mainstream conservative held his nose and voted for McCain last time because it was the lesser evil. These people are entrenched in lesser evilism, and they assume anyone else who matters is too.

squirrelbrewer
08-21-2011, 04:24 PM
I will vote if Ron Paul does not get the GOP nomination. 3rd party almost beyond a doubt unless another GOP candidate other than the good Dr. emerges, which isn't likely. But in regards to the mentality of the neo-conservative wing of the Republican party...I think that they are so disgusted by the idea that a non-interventionist would get the nominee, that they will do anything to not let that happen. I think, and the following is is just my opinion & not based off of any long term academic study of the situation of course, that there are a whole lot of average conservative American voters who are so blinded by nationalism that they won't even consider taking a look to take a look at history and the results of foreign meddling policies. More and more are starting to see some trouble with socialist economic policies, but don't take the time to truly understand real free market principles. Then there are the evil ones who are entrenched in the very top echelon of Republican Party and the media who not only love to see the continuity of the military industrial complex, but have no interest in protecting people who fall outside of either A) those feeding at the government trough B) Corporations who have an incestuous relationship with the Feds via subsidies, regulation enforcement, etc.

Having said that, there is a gargantuan amount of hope and I am continually amazed at how much the message we all believe in continually brings people together. We just have to continually educate ourselves and others and do it with kindness, class, humor and intelligence and prayer. There is not stopping the truth. I will be attending my local GOP meeting this Thursday. I haven't been back since I had the privilege to speak as an individual for the candidacy of Paul in their straw poll in Winter 2008, but I look forward to returning. Should have kept going, but better late than never.

eleganz
08-21-2011, 05:12 PM
We don't pick the president anyways, that is what the electoral college is for.

I suppose we could create a website that counts how many would direct their vote to Obama if Ron Paul wasn't the GOP nominee.

Ronulus
08-21-2011, 05:15 PM
I will still vote, just do what I did last election and write in Ron Paul. Will it be counted? Probably not, but i'm not going to vote for someone that I do not agree with simply because they are the lesser of two evils.

asurfaholic
08-21-2011, 05:17 PM
I for one will either write in, or just not take the time to vote if RP isn't the nominee. I am not pro war, and if any other candidate gets nominated, my views will not be represented, therefore they dont get my vote.

civusamericanus
08-21-2011, 05:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCvE2_WrpI0

Every time I watch this video, it baffles me :confused: how anyone who simply watches the debates, can not know deep in there hearts, that Ron Paul is the only candidate with a grip on reality.

Koz
08-21-2011, 05:28 PM
I don't think the GOP will ever get it. They are big government schills just like the Dems/Socialists. Unfortunately they are just not educated enough or don't pay attention to the real issues. I mean who in thier right mind would vote for Bachmann/Perry/Romney? They are so inconsistent with small, constitutional government that it is ridiculous. We need to swell our ranks and teach people about liberty and the Constitution, in my opinion this is our only hope.

Anti Federalist
08-21-2011, 05:37 PM
Dear GOP,

Since principle, character, honesty, integrity and adherence to the Constitution seems to mean nothing to you, consider this:

Unite behind Ron Paul.

Or lose to Obama.

The choice is yours.

Sincerely,
Anti Federalist

Brett85
08-21-2011, 05:47 PM
They believe that we're sufficiently small enough that we don't matter, or that enough of can be swayed back into the fold. I think the GOP establishment is just stubborn enough to see a repeat of '08 if it means retaining control of the party with neocon and socon planks in place.

There's no need for the GOP to remove it's socon planks. The GOP doesn't need to become the party of baby killers.

FreedomProsperityPeace
08-21-2011, 06:29 PM
There's no need for the GOP to remove it's socon planks. The GOP doesn't need to become the party of baby killers.I'm speaking of those people who want to govern from the Bible rather than the Constitution.

LibertyEagle
08-21-2011, 06:33 PM
Why act like you are throwing in the towel? Get busy on the ground. That is how elections are won. Become precinct leaders. Find out how you become a delegate in your state. Go door-to-door handing out campaign literature.

LibertyEagle
08-21-2011, 06:37 PM
By the way, the title of this thread is the worst kind of collectivism. I am part of the GOP, as should everyone of you be. Bashing yourself seems pointless.

Look guys, we can keep whining about how bad the Republican Party is, or get busy and do what we came here to do. Whether we win or not is up to you.

Butchie
08-21-2011, 06:52 PM
By the way, the title of this thread is the worst kind of collectivism. I am part of the GOP, as should everyone of you be. Bashing yourself seems pointless.

Look guys, we can keep whining about how bad the Republican Party is, or get busy and do what we came here to do. Whether we win or not is up to you.

Well, I'm not part of the GOP, never was, and as long as they stay the way they are I never will be. Only reason I'm even the slightest bit interested in the GOP is because RP is running, and by his own admission he wouldn't even be running as a Republican if not for how unfair the election process is to Libertarians. On a side note, I love your avatar, that clip was the 2nd Ron Paul clip I saw and the instant he looked at McCain like that was the moment I knew he was the man, and ofcourse his reply just nailed McCain to the wall.

atliens
08-21-2011, 06:55 PM
I have never voted and only will because of RP.

WilliamC
08-21-2011, 06:59 PM
Most of the establishment GOP benefit more from the current system than they might otherwise.

That's why they don't get it, because it would cost them something.

amy31416
08-21-2011, 07:23 PM
Think about it...

If Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann get the nomination, I will be staying home election day. I assume a lot of you will do the same, some will vote for whoever the GOP puts on the ticket, others may vote for a third party or Obama. But, I think most RP supporters would be reluctant to vote for any GOP talking head.

But the neocons, the rest of the GOP... I think they would do anything just to not have Obama in office. Even if Paul doesn't fit the status quo, it is in the best interests of the GOP to nominate him because he takes votes AWAY from Obama. More so than any other candidate and more than the GOP would lose from having someone with such an "extreme" foreign policy who wants to "legalize" heroin. At the end of the day, I like to think the average GOP voter is mostly concerned with monetary policies, in which Paul is right in line with the rest of the GOP.

Does this make sense to anyone else or just me?

Neocons (the "real" ones in power) don't mind Obama. They never could have gotten this country involved in 4 more wars/hostilities as easily under Bush--and that is their main goal: constant, unending conflict that they can exploit toward their own ends. They don't care about massive domestic spending until it starts to cut into their ability to wage war and manipulate, they are not loyal to either party or this country.

MJU1983
08-21-2011, 07:27 PM
Obama is a Neocon. There are talks of Trump running as an independent...I'd imagine that is only if another Neocon isn't the Republican nominee... ;)

Brett85
08-21-2011, 08:49 PM
Obama is a Neocon. There are talks of Trump running as an independent...I'd imagine that is only if another Neocon isn't the Republican nominee... ;)

Trump is actually a Pat Buchanan type Republican. He's in favor of ending the wars overseas. I think having the GOP nominate a neo-con as it's candidate will make Trump more likely to run as an independent.

CUnknown
08-21-2011, 09:16 PM
If anyone here votes for Obama, they should be banned!!! Heh .. joke ... sort of ... :confused: