Resturant puts up an "English Only" sign

[wannaberocker]

So i was driving home and listening to my local talk radio show. THey were discussing a new policy a resturant in the had. THe restaurant put up a "English Only" sign which means that you can only order in english. If you try to order in any other language, you will not be served.

Now as i listened to the radio show alot of people called in saying "this is discrimination against people who speak spanish and its racist".

And i was reminded of this lil gem from Rachel Maddow.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbLcnnXXBiY

Something tells me that the next step might be to Ban businesses from putting up such sings. What do ya think?

[foofighter20x]

See, this is why Rachel Maddow is wrong about Ron and Rand.

We live in the age of Twitter, Facebook, and audio-video digital recording. Look at the public reaction it has gotten in your area. People are probably going to protest the policy and picket the store front. The owner will be forced to change the policy by public opinion.

Free market at work... Ain't it great?

[Aliangel]

What if rachel becomes a porn star?

[Lafayette]

What if rachel becomes a porn star?

Girl on girl ? I'd watch that.

[wannaberocker]

What if rachel becomes a porn star?

then Bachmann wouldnt have to ban porn. People would stop watching on there own.

[Napolitanic Wars]

Girl on girl ? I'd watch that.

Are you sure Maddow is female? BTW wasn't this discussed at length 2 months ago?

[wannaberocker]

Are you sure Maddow is female? BTW wasn't this discussed at length 2 months ago?

which topic? maddow being a female? or the restaurant one?

I know a restaurant in north carolina did the same thing and got good business out of it. But only recently has someone in my state tried to do it. I would be intresting to see if this attracts business or put them out of business.

[Lafayette]

Are you sure Maddow is female? BTW wasn't this discussed at length 2 months ago?

She doesnt look half bad with long hair and some makeup

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQRxmknkIYDtl8VSTr32oUw9rHOulfQ Afo59rR7isl0GGT82Vj

[foofighter20x]

A better pic of Maddow with long hair:

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/news/100719/rachel-maddow-320.jpg

[wannaberocker]

A better pic of Maddow with long hair:

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/news/100719/rachel-maddow-320.jpg

still looks kinda manly to me. Even with the blonde long hair you can see the manlyness.

[DamianTV]

Yeah, ok so aside from the Maddow on Mad Cow Hot Steamy Post Coital Discussion, back on topic for a bit.

There should be no laws prohibiting this guy from running his business the way he wants to run it. It is not discrimination. He speaks english, and has decided that in his business, this is how he is going to do business. To force him to serve non english speaking customers means that there is no Free Market, and thus, no benefits of the Effects of having a Free Market. Welcome to Communism 101.

[LibertyEagle]

The word is restaurant. :)

[wannaberocker]

Yeah, ok so aside from the Maddow on Mad Cow Hot Steamy Post Coital Discussion, back on topic for a bit.

There should be no laws prohibiting this guy from running his business the way he wants to run it. It is not discrimination. He speaks english, and has decided that in his business, this is how he is going to do business. To force him to serve non english speaking customers means that there is no Free Market, and thus, no benefits of the Effects of having a Free Market. Welcome to Communism 101.

Though something tells me that somewhere down the line. Some politician will say that "we must get ride of discrimination" and try to get a law passed agaisnt it. Its only a matter of time, as soon as politicians find out. The right to refuze service will be out.

[LibertyEagle]

There should be no laws prohibiting this guy from running his business the way he wants to run it. It is not discrimination. He speaks english, and has decided that in his business, this is how he is going to do business. To force him to serve non english speaking customers means that there is no Free Market, and thus, no benefits of the Effects of having a Free Market. Welcome to Communism 101.

Exactly.

[DamianTV]

Happy 30K Posts LibertyEagle!

[Elwar]

THe restaurant put up a "English Only" sign

As a Native American (born and raised), I would not be allowed to eat there. Our Founding Fathers actually fought the English for our independence and this person is wanting to cater to them? This is, by definition, un-patriotic.

[belian78]

As a Native American (born and raised), I would not be allowed to eat there. Our Founding Fathers actually fought the English for our independence and this person is wanting to cater to them? This is, by definition, un-patriotic.

So you're saying you can't speak English then?

[Deborah K]

As a Native American (born and raised), I would not be allowed to eat there. Our Founding Fathers actually fought the English for our independence and this person is wanting to cater to them? This is, by definition, un-patriotic.

You're misconstruing the intent of the owners. It's the English language that they want their customers to order in. You speak English despite your ethnicity. It has nothing to do with race or culture.

[belian78]

You're misconstruing the intent of the owners. It's the English language that they want their customers to order in. You speak English despite your ethnicity. It has nothing to do with race or culture.

I suspect he knows that, but was being facetious.

[Deborah K]

I suspect he knows that, but was being facetious.

Doesn't seem facetious to me, he seems serious. Why state: This, by definition, is unpatriotic. ?

[DamianTV]

I cant say I completely disagree with Elwar's statement. He is able to speak English, but if that were his Business (that he owned), and he put up a Inuit Only or Cherokee Only sign, we should respect that, even if we are not able to speak those languages. A man's home is his castle and what he decrees is the law is the law in his castle. A mans business (physical building where trade takes place) is an extension of his castle.

[kylejack]

Wish people wouldn't do this. If you can understand them, fill their order. Oh well.

[Deborah K]

I cant say I completely disagree with Elwar's statement. He is able to speak English, but if that were his Business (that he owned), and he put up a Inuit Only or Cherokee Only sign, we should respect that, even if we are not able to speak those languages. A man's home is his castle and what he decrees is the law is the law in his castle. A mans business (physical building where trade takes place) is an extension of his castle.

I guess I don't see your point. Elwar stated that he thought it was, by definition, unpatriotic. What part of his comment do you agree with?

[Deborah K]

Wish people wouldn't do this. If you can understand them, fill their order. Oh well.

I personally think it is a fear of balkinization that drives people to do this.

[brushfire]

Property rights...

...And go easy on Rachel. Transformation does not happen over night.

[Krugerrand]

Doesn't seem facetious to me, he seems serious. Why state: This, by definition, is unpatriotic. ?

To only service British people in a restaurant in the US would be unpatriotic.

[Silencernate]

It boils down to property rights. Does a person own the fruits of their labor (their business)? If he does not, then he can be subjected to laws that penalize him, forcing him to cater to people he doesn't want to.

If, however, you believe that what a man earns is his to keep, then his business and how he runs it is, well, HIS business and not the government's.

This can be further expanded on by saying that the food served is not subject to FDA regulations, as it is a voluntary transaction between customer and business owner. However, as the years go on, we know that more and more regulations have strangled businesses with rules, regulations, and this line between property rights has diminished almost entirely.

[Deborah K]

To only service British people in a restaurant in the US would be unpatriotic.

The sign doesn't say 'British Only'. Again, the intent involves language not race or culture.

[kylejack]

The person has every legal and ethical right to have an English Only sign up. I just wish they wouldn't, and I don't want to patronize a place that's trying to divide us like that. I might even picket if that were going on in my area.

[specsaregood]

The person has every legal and ethical right to have an English Only sign up. I just wish they wouldn't, and I don't want to patronize a place that's trying to divide us like that. I might even picket if that were going on in my area.

And they might have a good business reason for putting the sign up. Perhaps non-english speakers have used up too many employee resources, maybe they have had too many disputes over the bill or the menu or what gets ordered and it no longer makes business sense to serve them?

[Krugerrand]

The sign doesn't say 'British Only'. Again, the intent involves language not race or culture.

I think that's the humor factor Elwar was bringing up. The INTENT may have been language ... but it's an assumption. English can refer to people from England ... of which Elwar is not one. And he declared that only serving people from England to be unpatriotic.

[DamianTV]

I guess I don't see your point. Elwar stated that he thought it was, by definition, unpatriotic. What part of his comment do you agree with?

I'll try to explain.


As a Native American (born and raised), I would not be allowed to eat there. Our Founding Fathers actually fought the English for our independence and this person is wanting to cater to them? This is, by definition, un-patriotic.

If he (I am guessing that is a he) is Native American, we as English Colonists pretty much fucked over every Indian (Native American) on the soil that is now called the United States. I dont know, I see his point, but cant really explain it other than in the Man's Castle terms. I dont want people to feel discriminated against because they can speak a different language, but when we have been speaking mainly English for 200 years, and then the business owners are expected to speak Spanish (I'll just say it) we all get a little fed up. The thing is, Elwar can speak English just fine, but for many US Born Spanish Speakers, there seems to be a very influencial underlying mentality that they should not have to learn English. (IE children of Illegal Immigrants)

In the early days of the country, we were much closer to being a bi-lingual nation than we are today, except the languages around 1800 werent English and Spanish, oddly enough they were English and German!

[Krugerrand]

I'll try to explain.



If he (I am guessing that is a he) is Native American, we as English Colonists pretty much fucked over every Indian (Native American) on the soil that is now called the United States. I dont know, I see his point, but cant really explain it other than in the Man's Castle terms. I'll just drop it.

I don't believe Elwar's roots are tribal. English Colonists != English. Thus children of colonists (born and raised) = native american.

[Elwar]

I was being facetious...

What I would do is walk in there with full on English Red army attire speaking the queen's language and praising the store owner for supporting the English. Then demand that he have all of those Yankee Americans kicked out at once. God save the queen!

[kylejack]

I don't believe Elwar's roots are tribal. English Colonists != English. Thus children of colonists (born and raised) = native american.
lmao

[Deborah K]

I was being facetious...

What I would do is walk in there with full on English Red army attire speaking the queen's language and praising the store owner for supporting the English. Then demand that he have all of those Yankee Americans kicked out at once. God save the queen!

Yes, but many of us are of English decent - even the Yanks! LOL

[Elwar]

I don't believe Elwar's roots are tribal.

I am not tribal, though my brother and sisters sometimes acted that way. I consider myself Native American because I was born and raised here...in America. To link to some sort of ancestry or other people for my own identity takes away from my individuality.

Though if you want to get even further out there, I consider myself an Indian because I was on the Tecumseh Indians football team.

Tecumseh Varsity Football rules! Go Indians!!

[DamianTV]

The plot thickens...

[kylejack]

ridiculous

[Sola_Fide]

She doesnt look half bad with long hair and some makeup

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQRxmknkIYDtl8VSTr32oUw9rHOulfQ Afo59rR7isl0GGT82Vj

Still looks like a man to me.

[DamianTV]

Still looks like a man to me.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7s9sekKob0E/SrkNjcMQWlI/AAAAAAAADeg/NIhsOPgK3Wc/s400/rachel-maddow.jpg

For some reason, this pic of Rachael Madcow reminds me of Ferris Bueller.

[kylejack]

Still looks like a man to me.
Gender-normative

[wannaberocker]

The person has every legal and ethical right to have an English Only sign up. I just wish they wouldn't, and I don't want to patronize a place that's trying to divide us like that. I might even picket if that were going on in my area.

THe market place takes care of such matters. All this picketing BS does is try to force people into a box that a few people think they should be in. If this is something that is highly offensive to people, then it will hurt the owner in his pocket.

But by picketing you try to hurt him regardless of what the market place thinks about it because you dont like it. Now understand im not saying you dont have a right to picket. Im just saying if folks like you do picket, they are trying to hurt his business regardless of what the market place at large decided.

[wannaberocker]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7s9sekKob0E/SrkNjcMQWlI/AAAAAAAADeg/NIhsOPgK3Wc/s400/rachel-maddow.jpg

For some reason, this pic of Rachael Madcow reminds me of Ferris Bueller.

she looks like ned bigby (from the kids tv show ned's school survival guide).

http://nick.mtvnimages.com/nick-assets/shows/images/neds-declassified/characters/character_large_332x363_ned.jpg?height=363&width=332&matte=false&format=jpeg

[johnald]

hahaha I just noticed her speech pattern sounds almost exactly like Obama =)

[kylejack]

THe market place takes care of such matters.
Yes, and I'm a participant in the market and boycott is a legitimate market force.

All this picketing BS does is try to force people into a box that a few people think they should be in.
That's right, I don't think people should discriminate in this manner.


If this is something that is highly offensive to people, then it will hurt the owner in his pocket.
Hence a picket to let them know, in case they didn't notice the sign or policy. This is freedom of speech.


But by picketing you try to hurt him regardless of what the market place thinks about it because you dont like it. Now understand im not saying you dont have a right to picket. Im just saying if folks like you do picket, they are trying to hurt his business regardless of what the market place at large decided.
I don't want businesses like that to succeed, so since he is using his legal rights to discriminate against others, I will use my legal rights to see that he doesn't succeed. Just two people exercising their rights.