How would have Ron Paul managed the Cold War?

[Son of Detroit]

I'm not well versed on the Cold War, and I was wondering today of how Ron would have handled it.

I know for sure he wouldn't have propped the Islamic regimes, which would have certainly helped us out today.

Thoughts?

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

At what point in history? Lots of decisions could have been different, going all the way back to Wilson's secret war in 1918.

[Son of Detroit]

At what point in history? Lots of decisions could have been different, going all the way back to Wilson's secret war in 1918.

I'm mainly focusing in the 70's/80's when we supported the mujahideen. Also, how do you think he would have dealt with the cuban missile crisis?

[trey4sports]

i think the idea of soviet "containment" is flawed.

A lot of historians tend to credit America's actions to contain the spread of the Soviet Union as the reason Capitalism won and socialism ultimately failed, and I tend to think the real reason the United States won while the Soviets crumbled is the fact that Socialism is inherently flawed and eventually doomed to collapse. The united States didn't really need to engage in an economic proxy-war with Russia.

[wannaberocker]

Use a Heater? :)

[Aliangel]

Also, how do you think he would have dealt with the cuban missile crisis?

What led to the cuban missile crisis? why isnt there a missile crisis today when we have nuclear armed submarines that could surface at shores of russia, china etc.

The point is , this is like asking what would Ron do if he was the gas station robber. The foreign policy was flawed so perhaps things wouldve turned out different if Ron had been president.

[pcosmar]

What if,
A policy of non-intervention would have prevented many of our problems.
Without involvement in WWI,, WWII would likely never have happened.
The communist countries would very likely have failed even sooner all on their own failures.

The "cold War" might never have happened. Without the waste,, mankind could have put effort into other directions.

the what if's are numerous. I wonder what other paths my life may have taken with other choices,,,,
What if,
;)

[Cutlerzzz]

No wars, no overseas bases, no foreign aid, no NATO or UN, lower taxes, less spending, less debt, more prosperity.

[Philip Dru: Agorist]

The answer depends on whether or not Dr. Paul would have been operating with the knowledge that we now have, that the Cold War was essentially just a giant, 40-year pysop/Hegelian dialectical hoax directed at the masses to scare them toward the acceptance of further global centralization. The manufactured "threat" of anthropogenic global warming, international terrorism, and the Red Scare were all cut from the same phony cloth.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that Ron Paul knows that.

[Philip Dru: Agorist]

Well worth the read if you are interested in beginning to understand what was really going on during the Cold War:


Those of us who teach political science on the college and university level find ourselves seriously handicapped by the lack of textbooks and carefully prepared historical research on one of the most important phenomena of our time, namely, the amazing alliance which has been growing for more than half a century between the leaders of the world-wide Communist movement and the leaders of some of the most powerful banks and industries of Europe and America.

That such an alliance should even exist, came as an intellectual shock to this writer. It seemed irrational, an ideological contraction, a conflict of interests. Nevertheless, the more I have researched the matter, the more convinced I have become that the alliance is not only a reality, but that also herein might be found the Gordian knot which must be cut before we can solve some of the world's most critical problems.

A recent announcement calling the West's attention to the existence of this alliance came unexpectedly from the heart of the Communist world itself.

http://www.sodahead.com/fun/the-communist-capitalist-alliance/blog-237599/

[Cutlerzzz]

The answer depends on whether or not Dr. Paul would have been operating with the knowledge that we now have, that the Cold War was essentially just a giant, 40-year pysop/Hegelian dialectical hoax directed at the masses to scare them toward the acceptance of further global centralization. The manufactured "threat" of anthropogenic global warming, international terrorism, and the Red Scare were all cut from the same phony cloth.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that Ron Paul knows that.I just gave you your first rep.

[Fr0m_3ur0pe]

No wars and better economic policy -> richer West.

[AuH20]

The answer depends on whether or not Dr. Paul would have been operating with the knowledge that we now have, that the Cold War was essentially just a giant, 40-year pysop/Hegelian dialectical hoax directed at the masses to scare them toward the acceptance of further global centralization. The manufactured "threat" of anthropogenic global warming, international terrorism, and the Red Scare were all cut from the same phony cloth.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that Ron Paul knows that.

Possibly, but that's largely a monday morning quarterback conclusion now that we can assemble the facts from afar. It wasn't as evident when it actually transpiring, especially what occurred in Hungary in 1957.

[Philip Dru: Agorist]

It wasn't as evident when it actually transpiring...

Sure, it wasn't evident to the average American watching from his living room, but for those who were working in and around the power centers of Washington and New York with access to inside information, like presidents, FBI directors, chairmen of the Council on Foreign Relations, and presidents of the large, tax-exempt foundations, they knew exactly what was going on. Truman knew it. J. Edgar Hoover knew it. Eisenhower knew it. Kennedy knew it. Allen Dulles knew it. Rowan Gaither knew it. Senator McCarthy and Rep. B. Carroll Reece caught a whiff of it.

So you can be certain, had Ron Paul been elected president during the Cold War, he would have known it too, one way or another.

[Elwar]

This is how he would have handled the Cold War...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vthdr96EDnE

[fisharmor]

I'm mainly focusing in the 70's/80's when we supported the mujahideen. Also, how do you think he would have dealt with the cuban missile crisis?

In the 70's?
Here are the bullet points from the early 70's:
* These wars are costing us billions and have nothing to do with national security.
* Our foreign policy is flawed. Propping up dictators isn't making us any friends. We need to listen to the founders, who told us to have peace and commerce with all nations, and no entangling alliances.
* What are we still doing in Europe? The war ended nearly 30 years ago and every country in Europe has the economic and technological ability to defend itself.
* And by the way, when is someone going to talk about monetary policy? Fiat currency is doomed to failure. We need sound money.
* So what if some people take drugs? If they're not harming anyone, where's the crime?

In the 80's?
* These wars conflicts are costing us billions and have nothing to do with national security.
* Our foreign policy is flawed. Propping up dictators isn't making us any friends. We need to listen to the founders, who told us to have peace and commerce with all nations, and no entangling alliances.
* What are we still doing in Europe and Asia?
* When is someone going to talk about monetary policy? Fiat currency is doomed to failure, and we're seeing it in inflation rates. We need sound money.
* So what if some people take drugs? If they're not harming anyone, where's the crime?


Part of the draw is that he's actually been saying the same thing since then.

[speciallyblend]

he would of made a hot cup of tea and melted it ,ending the cold war.

[AuH20]

Sure, it wasn't evident to the average American watching from his living room, but for those who were working in and around the power centers of Washington and New York with access to inside information, like presidents, FBI directors, chairmen of the Council on Foreign Relations, and presidents of the large, tax-exempt foundations, they knew exactly what was going on. Truman knew it. J. Edgar Hoover knew it. Eisenhower knew it. Kennedy knew it. Allen Dulles knew it. Rowan Gaither knew it. Senator McCarthy and Rep. B. Carroll Reece caught a whiff of it.

So you can be certain, had Ron Paul been elected president during the Cold War, he would have known it too, one way or another.

Well, that's why Patton didn't want to stop at Berlin but go much farther east. ;)

[Philip Dru: Agorist]

Well, that's why Patton didn't want to stop at Berlin but go much farther east. ;)

That's interesting. I've often wondered how much inside information Patton was privy to. There's very little documentation to go on, unfortunately.

It's my belief that Patton wasn't completely aware of the level of treachery taking place in Washington while the war was going on but may have learned the truth (that we actually wanted the Soviet Union to have Eastern Europe and to live long and prosper as a sort of beta test for the New World Order plan) just before his death, which is why he needed to die. It was OK when Patton was merely criticizing the late-war and post-war decision making by the Washington/Council on Foreign Relations establishment, from the viewpoint that they were incompetent. But it probably wasn't going to be seen as OK if he started to criticize that decision making because he knew the exact reasons why the decisions were made and that it had nothing to do with incompetence. Patton was too much of a loose cannon and was an outsider to that establishment.

That's just speculation on my part, though.