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Patriot123
08-17-2011, 09:28 PM
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/17/does-america-need-a-prime-minister/?hpt=hp_c2


After the S&P downgrade of the United States, no country with a presidential system has a triple-A rating from all three major ratings agencies. Only countries with parliamentary systems have that honor (with the possible exception of France, which has a parliament and prime minister as well as an empowered president).

Juan Linz, professor of social science at Yale, argued that parliamentary systems are superior to presidential systems for reasons of stability. In a parliamentary system, he contended, the legislature and the executive are fused so there is no contest for national legitimacy.

Think of David Cameron in England. He is head of the coalition that won the election, head of the bloc that has a majority in parliament and head of the executive branch as Prime Minister.

In the American presidential system, in contrast, you have the presidency and the legislature, both of which claim to speak for the people. As a result, you always have a contest over basic legitimacy. Who is actually speaking for and representing the people?

In America today, we take this struggle to an extreme. We have one party in one house of the legislature claiming to speak for the people because theirs was the most recent electoral victory. And you have the president who claims a broader mandate as the only person elected by all the people. These irresolvable claims invite struggle.

There are, of course, advantages to the American system – the checks and balances have been very useful on occasion. But we’re living in a world where you need governments that are able to respond decisively and quickly. In a fast-moving world, paralysis is dangerous. Other countries are catching up - if not overtaking – America.

Debt crises across the West make this a particularly bad time for paralysis. Western countries have all built up very large pension and healthcare obligations that lead to huge amounts of debt. They need to figure out some systematic way to work that debt load down to a much more manageable level. This means a lot of pain.

Given this situation, it becomes very easy in a presidential system for the executive and the legislature to get into a classic standoff over benefits as we saw in the debt crisis.

Remember, the political battle surrounding the debt ceiling is actually impossible in a parliamentary system because the executive controls the legislature. There could not be a public spectacle of the two branches of government squabbling and holding the country hostage.

If we’re in for another five years of this squabbling in the U.S., we are going to make presidential systems look pretty bad indeed.

Don't get me wrong, I like having an open mind. And I always try to. But I do not want the US to become like Europe. Zakaria has said one too many things that I just flat out don't agree with, and therefore he's lost much of the respect I've had for him. He doesn't understand a thing about our form of government. If he did, he'd realize that the "slowness" of Congress is, in actuality, a good thing, as stated by Madison in one of the Federalist Papers.

Guitarzan
08-17-2011, 09:33 PM
"There are, of course, advantages to the American system – the checks and balances have been very useful on occasion. But we’re living in a world where you need governments that are able to respond decisively and quickly. In a fast-moving world, paralysis is dangerous. Other countries are catching up - if not overtaking – America."


Exactly as Hayek described in Road To Serfdom

tasteless
08-17-2011, 09:34 PM
Who cares what that big government, constitution hating shill has to say anymore?

Patriot123
08-17-2011, 09:41 PM
"There are, of course, advantages to the American system – the checks and balances have been very useful on occasion. But we’re living in a world where you need governments that are able to respond decisively and quickly. In a fast-moving world, paralysis is dangerous. Other countries are catching up - if not overtaking – America."


Exactly as Hayek described in Road To Serfdom

Okay, well then I vehemently disagree with Hayek. We'd respond ASAP in times of crisis. The debt ceiling debate was the exception. If we're attacked, we're going to declare war ASAP. Political slowness is good, though. Like I said, Madison agreed. This acts as a tool against the many different interest groups across the country. It's vital to our country.

mczerone
08-17-2011, 09:49 PM
Okay, well then I vehemently disagree with Hayek. We'd respond ASAP in times of crisis. The debt ceiling debate was the exception. If we're attacked, we're going to declare war ASAP. Political slowness is good, though. Like I said, Madison agreed. This acts as a tool against the many different interest groups across the country. It's vital to our country.

I think he meant that the call for more govt'l power and faster reaction times was predicted by Hayek in the socialist progression, not that Hayek wanted such a thing.

libertybrewcity
08-17-2011, 09:51 PM
Europe is messed up because of the people, not their form of government. A Parliamentary system would allow other parties like the libertarians, greens, and constitution parties to have a say. The two big parties would likely break into smaller factions, and the government would get things done by forming bloc coalitions. I have advocated this in the past. I think a state or two should adopt this first to see how it works here.

Patriot123
08-17-2011, 09:52 PM
I think he meant that the call for more govt'l power and faster reaction times was predicted by Hayek in the socialist progression, not that Hayek wanted such a thing.

...oh. I knew that -__- lol sorry about that.


Europe is messed up because of the people, not their form of government. A Parliamentary system would allow other parties like the libertarians, greens, and constitution parties to have a say. The two big parties would likely break into smaller factions, and the government would get things done by forming bloc coalitions. I have advocated this in the past. I think a state or two should adopt this first to see how it works here.
I respectfully disagree. I think the reason why we're stuck with two parties is because of campaign laws -- they immensely favor only the two parties. If third parties were allowed to easily get on all ballots in all 50 states we wouldn't even have a two-party system anymore, lol. That's what I blame for that.

wannaberocker
08-17-2011, 09:55 PM
not surprising coming from Zakaria.

1000-points-of-fright
08-17-2011, 11:21 PM
In the American presidential system, in contrast, you have the presidency and the legislature, both of which claim to speak for the people. As a result, you always have a contest over basic legitimacy. Who is actually speaking for and representing the people?

That's only because the role of the President has been expanded from day one. Originally the President (from my understanding of history) was just supposed to be a figurehead for dealing with other nations and as balance to the other two branches of government by vetoing bills. Maybe a bit of cheerleading on the side.

SWATH
08-17-2011, 11:53 PM
Yeah that's what we need, more centralization of power. When that fails I wonder if he will just drop the pretenses and advocate a dictatorship.

NewRightLibertarian
08-17-2011, 11:59 PM
Hey, lets listen to what this foreigner has to say about our country's political system. I'm sure he has our best interests in mind!

Krtek
08-18-2011, 01:53 AM
He is a member of the council on foreign relations, seems like a shady character.

BamaAla
08-18-2011, 02:32 AM
I respectfully disagree. I think the reason why we're stuck with two parties is because of campaign laws -- they immensely favor only the two parties. If third parties were allowed to easily get on all ballots in all 50 states we wouldn't even have a two-party system anymore, lol. That's what I blame for that.

We are stuck with two parties because of single member districts...Duverger's Law. I'm open to the idea of multi-member districts, but there are some glaring problems with such a thing.