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andrewgreve
11-02-2007, 07:16 PM
This one was insane. Anyone have the youtube?

NinjaPirate
11-02-2007, 07:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izgkZHD4pbs

andrewgreve
11-02-2007, 07:18 PM
thanks

foofighter20x
11-02-2007, 07:42 PM
Did you see Tucker's reaction to Guy Fawkes Day?

I TOLD YOU SO!

But no one listens to me... Now I know how Dr Paul feels.

transistor
11-02-2007, 07:45 PM
man that guy is good looking

Ridiculous
11-02-2007, 07:48 PM
Did you see Tucker's reaction to Guy Fawkes Day?

I TOLD YOU SO!

But no one listens to me... Now I know how Dr Paul feels.

Hey, I'm right there with you on that one...

DJ RP
11-02-2007, 07:53 PM
The media will smear whatever we do. Honesty and integrity will either win the day or they won't. we can only try our best to spread the message.

paulitics
11-02-2007, 08:07 PM
The media will smear whatever we do. Honesty and integrity will either win the day or they won't. we can only try our best to spread the message.

They would have a tougher time selling their smears if we didn't hand it to them on a silver platter. If we raised 3 million dollars without the V day association, they would have a difficult time trying to spin that.

Ridiculous
11-02-2007, 08:07 PM
The media will smear whatever we do. Honesty and integrity will either win the day or they won't. we can only try our best to spread the message.

Yeah, but this all could have been avoided if another date was chosen like many suggested from the beginning. It's too late now, but why get negative press when you don't have to?

me3
11-02-2007, 08:09 PM
Did you see Tucker's reaction to Guy Fawkes Day?

I TOLD YOU SO!

But no one listens to me... Now I know how Dr Paul feels.
I'm not sure you know how Dr. Paul feels.

He has embraced 11/5.

NinjaPirate
11-02-2007, 08:09 PM
Yeah, but this all could have been avoided if another date was chosen like many suggested from the beginning. It's too late now, but why get negative press when you don't have to?

Even if we change the date, they would find some way to smear him.

hells_unicorn
11-02-2007, 08:11 PM
Yeah, but this all could have been avoided if another date was chosen like many suggested from the beginning. It's too late now, but why get negative press when you don't have to?

As usual on this particular topic, your words live up to your name. People signed up for this date in such numbers BECAUSE of the V association, the movie is extremely popular, and to people of an Irish Catholic persuasion like myself Guy Fawkes is a sympathetic character. A veterans day or some other goofy government holiday scheme would not have gotten these numbers.

I'd recommend taking a few days off from watching the MSM, it's bad for your health.

foofighter20x
11-02-2007, 08:17 PM
I'm not sure you know how Dr. Paul feels.

He has embraced 11/5.

I never said a concentrated fundraiser was a bad idea. I never said Nov 5th was a bad date for one.

What I have maintained from Day 1 of the discussion over Nov 5th is that tying it to V for Vendetta or Guy Fawkes was essentially giving to the media the rope with which they are going to hang us on this due to that character's anarchist measures and both's terrorism and tendencies toward violence.

That's why I said it would be better to frame this fundraiser in the spirit of the landing of William III of Orange at Brixham and the kick off of the Glorious Revolution in 1688, since that revolution cemented the concept of a Bill of Rights and prompted John Locke to write his treatises on government--works which HEAVILY influenced the Framers in writing the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

But, no. No one listens to me... :rolleyes:

Prez4TheNet
11-02-2007, 08:17 PM
Did you see Tucker's reaction to Guy Fawkes Day?

I TOLD YOU SO!

But no one listens to me... Now I know how Dr Paul feels.

Do you really know how Dr. Paul feels? Really? Do you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzKDBv5QkI

paulitics
11-02-2007, 08:19 PM
Do you really know how Dr. Paul feels? Really? Do you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzKDBv5QkI

where did RP say he supported Guy Falkes day? He said Nov 5th fundraiser.

RevolutionSD
11-02-2007, 08:21 PM
Tucker is an ASS.

That was an ASS interview.

As far as Nov 5th, I'm not afraid to say that I'm a huge fan of V and Guy Fawkes day and the association. I say F.U. to the mainstream media!

nullvalu
11-02-2007, 08:21 PM
Do you really know how Dr. Paul feels? Really? Do you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzKDBv5QkI

Maybe Ron Paul doesn't know who Guy Fawkes is? http://www.aliendave.com/files/graphix/crazy_smiley.gif

foofighter20x
11-02-2007, 08:23 PM
Do you really know how Dr. Paul feels? Really? Do you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzKDBv5QkI

Ok, since some of you obviously didn't get my point, I guess I'll have to explain it.


Dr Paul knows what he's talking about, riiiight? He's right on sososo many issues, riiight?

But no one listens to him.

I was declaring my empathy towards that station. :rolleyes:

stones88
11-02-2007, 08:26 PM
Did you see Tucker's reaction to Guy Fawkes Day?

I TOLD YOU SO!

But no one listens to me... Now I know how Dr Paul feels.

Yeah, I agree. I even said anyone who wants to celebrate Guy Fawkes and/or V for Vendetta is a fanatic/nerd before this piece was published in Time.

Associating Ron with an overrated film or a man who planned to murder people isn't, uh not very wise.

Gimme Some Truth
11-02-2007, 08:29 PM
MSM = bad

mmkay?

....
The MSM isnt goin to win us the nomination. So quit worrying about a couple of comments from the nerd obsessed , troop hating Joel Stein

cjhowe
11-02-2007, 08:30 PM
Seriously, why do you guys still care about what happens on cable tv? Tucker is fishing for ratings. If he says nice things, he gets a couple of pats on the back. If he says negative things, he gets a barrage of emails that he can show his producers to say, "look people watch my show". YOU have much more influence over your neighbors than does MSNBC or Fox News or CNN. All cable news offers is talking points. Read up on the issues. Convey those issues to your neighbors in a freedom light; in a adherence to the Constitution light. The first hit is free. You're neighbor will be a junkie. A Ron Paul junkie!

terlinguatx
11-02-2007, 08:35 PM
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RevolutionSD
11-02-2007, 08:35 PM
Seriously, why do you guys still care about what happens on cable tv? Tucker is fishing for ratings. If he says nice things, he gets a couple of pats on the back. If he says negative things, he gets a barrage of emails that he can show his producers to say, "look people watch my show". YOU have much more influence over your neighbors than does MSNBC or Fox News or CNN. All cable news offers is talking points. Read up on the issues. Convey those issues to your neighbors in a freedom light; in a adherence to the Constitution light. The first hit is free. You're neighbor will be a junkie. A Ron Paul junkie!

I agree, but my neighbor is a socialist. :eek:

weatherbill
11-02-2007, 08:54 PM
That guy was an idiot. He had nothing of substance to say....just called us all a bunch of freeks...... No substance! He is the epitomy of pop culture reporting....that's what that was....idiot airheaded pop culture reporting. The guy ought to be fired!

cjhowe
11-02-2007, 08:55 PM
I agree, but my neighbor is a socialist. :eek:

When someone claims to be a socialist, I ask them if they'd be willing to trade cars with the person driving the ugliest car in the parking lot, since we're all equals and shouldn't be driving cars as status. No one has been willing to do so. I conclude, I've never really met a socialist.

Prez4TheNet
11-02-2007, 09:03 PM
C'mon guys, was it really that bad?

I thought it was a pretty fair interview. Can't we just accept the facts that there are alot of truthers in this movement and yes, A LOT, of nerds.

slantedview
11-02-2007, 09:08 PM
It was bad. Either Joel is a complete idiot or he's just really good at pretending to be one. Maybe he could have learned a thing or two about economic and monetary policy from those pesky "college kids" at one of the rallies he attended.

stones88
11-02-2007, 09:10 PM
C'mon guys, was it really that bad?

I thought it was a pretty fair interview. Can't we just accept the facts that there are alot of truthers in this movement and yes, A LOT, of nerds.

no it wasn't bad, many people here are just overly sensitive. And actually what Joel said is true about the supporters. Many here do think Guy Fawkes is a hero and many here are "truthers". Sadly, Ron has to brunt the bruises that these crazies inflict.

Ron isn't a horrible speaker though. Like I said, he has good days and bad days.

devil21
11-02-2007, 09:13 PM
Yeah, but this all could have been avoided if another date was chosen like many suggested from the beginning. It's too late now, but why get negative press when you don't have to?

How many people have a clue what "Guy Fawkes Day" is? Im betting about 5%. How many people have a clue what raising MILLIONS of dollars in one day is? 100%. Money talks.

aspiringconstitutionalist
11-02-2007, 09:16 PM
It was bad. Either Joel is a complete idiot or he's just really good at pretending to be one. Maybe he could have learned a thing or two about economic and monetary policy from those pesky "college kids" at one of the rallies he attended.

No, he just has a very one-sided view of Ron Paul and we the supporters. People like him can't fathom why we "youth" are so frightened to death of where the country is headed when we've been introduced into a world where headlines proclaim a crashing currency, a failing global empire, and a sprawling, out-of-control federal bureaucracy and just can't understand why things like sound money, foreign non-intervention, and limited constitutional government are so popular with us.

I don't think these people understand that we're the 9/11 Generation, we were raised on the news and grew up on the information superhighway, we're lightyears more politically-educated and in-tune with government and global politics than previous generations were, and we care about where the country is headed.

No... It's just because Ron Paul's "radical."

:P

filmmaker58
11-02-2007, 09:23 PM
Our defense to this is to get delegates in caucus states, and voters in primary states. Forget the forums, walk your precinct. Other possibilities (although you should still walk your precincts) How many of us are there now. What about an organized boycott of the sponsors of Tucker's show? Hit them in the pocketbook. Anyone know how to get a list of them?

Malakai0
11-02-2007, 09:23 PM
F*CK that LA times guy. Screw Tucker.


Don't get mad at the nov 5th fundraising date, they are scrounging for hit piece material and will use anything they think they can manipulate into making us look bad.

Feel free to write angry emails to every single person at CNN though, and at time magazine. The "ron paul revolution" piece in time is garbage, straight up hit piece calling us all "crazy nerds" and trashing the message. It's what tuckers piece was based on tonight.


OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE THEY HAD THAT LA TIMES IDIOT ON.
After I read that article today I had the urge to burn down the LA Times building =)


Now I feel better. Carry on =)

aspiringconstitutionalist
11-02-2007, 09:37 PM
F*CK that LA times guy. Screw Tucker.


Don't get mad at the nov 5th fundraising date, they are scrounging for hit piece material and will use anything they think they can manipulate into making us look bad.

Feel free to write angry emails to every single person at CNN though, and at time magazine. The "ron paul revolution" piece in time is garbage, straight up hit piece calling us all "crazy nerds" and trashing the message. It's what tuckers piece was based on tonight.


OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE THEY HAD THAT LA TIMES IDIOT ON.
After I read that article today I had the urge to burn down the LA Times building =)


Now I feel better. Carry on =)

Just don't wheel kegs of gun powder around through the tunnels under the LA Times hq. :\

Tidewise
11-02-2007, 09:55 PM
Guys, this was GOOD article on Ron Paul (though Stein came across as an arrogant kook in this Tucker interview).

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1678661,00.html?imw=Y

Revolution9
11-02-2007, 10:21 PM
Maybe Ron Paul doesn't know who Guy Fawkes is? http://www.aliendave.com/files/graphix/crazy_smiley.gif

Yeah. He is not well versed in history. And that damned Guy Fawkes was such a meanie they gave him his own holiday.

Rancdy

Madison
11-02-2007, 10:21 PM
That interview was atrocious.

Mitt Romneys sideburns
11-02-2007, 10:31 PM
Hes right, you guys are all crazy.


"Im gona end the war"

: Um... Yea. :


"Im gona legalize pot!"

: Uh... right on!"


"honest money serves the needs of ordinary people, instead of fiat irredeemable paper-ticket electronic money that improperly transfers the wealth of society to a small specially privileged financial elite along with other special interests"

: WHOOOOO! YES! RON PAUL RON PAUL!! :

ronpaulitician
11-02-2007, 10:41 PM
This really wasn't that bad.

I wish we could stop whining about every little thing that's not a glowing review of Dr. Paul.

Adamsa
11-02-2007, 10:46 PM
Still pretty funny how we're all more horny for monetary policy than wars and pot. :P

RP4ME
11-02-2007, 10:48 PM
As usual on this particular topic, your words live up to your name. People signed up for this date in such numbers BECAUSE of the V association, the movie is extremely popular, and to people of an Irish Catholic persuasion like myself Guy Fawkes is a sympathetic character. A veterans day or some other goofy government holiday scheme would not have gotten these numbers.

I'd recommend taking a few days off from watching the MSM, it's bad for your health.

So not tru...i had no clue about this dte ! I did b/c we were all doing it on 1 day!

Andrew76
11-02-2007, 11:08 PM
All this shows is that Tucker has no balls. If he did, he'd be swayed by the patriotic necessity to support Ron Paul. Alas, he's just another MSM windbag. ALL of these fools are only out to get paid, and after all that is their job, to get paid - not educate.

That entire thing was ridiculous and lame. What was the f*cking point of that segment anyway? Some poor man's Kelso talking about Ron Paul supporters only supporting Ron Paul because "he's a radical." THIS is the dude who's supposed to be the "youth culture" guy who can interpret all this stuff for the "oldies?" "Hey Kelso, seriously, clear it up for us. Do college kids like Ron Paul just because he resembles Gandalf?" Kelso, "Yeah man, totally! College rulez, bro!"
First it was that no one believed that we supporters could actually exist and we're just 10 spammers in a room somewhere in Kansas, and NOW it's that maybe we do exist, but we're not really supporting him for the reasons Ron Paul would want us to. We're really just a bunch of cult film watching, 9/11 truth believing, tri-corner/tinfoil hat wearing weirdos who like Ron Paul "becaaauuse meeeannn (inhale...cough, cough), he's like wayyyy radical n' shit. Maaan, like, I heard he'll like leeeegalize weed n' shit bro! Plus man,... dude for real, 9/11 was like a seriously underground, government inspired plot, like seriously dude, some freaky shit!... Hey, pass the bong Chuck. Fuck man, shit is crazy yo!"

Both of them can go stuff themselves. If people wish to believe that we do not truly understand what Ron Paul represents, then they can go take a frikkin' walk. This sh*t is getting so old.

Syren123
11-02-2007, 11:13 PM
Is there anyone dumber than Joel Stein?!
"Nerdy" "Cute"...not understanding people's interest in monetary policy? Who hired this dipshit?
Oh yeah...Time. And VH1.

Syren123
11-02-2007, 11:19 PM
Ron isn't a horrible speaker though. Like I said, he has good days and bad days.

Yeah I liked that! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...Joel Stein has got to be the WORST speaker...nasally whiny inarticulate wannabecool....ick. McJournalist.

Andrew76
11-02-2007, 11:32 PM
"McJournalist," is right! Perfect word choice. :D

foofighter20x
11-02-2007, 11:36 PM
Yeah. He is not well versed in history. And that damned Guy Fawkes was such a meanie they gave him his own holiday.

Rancdy

Yeah. You are not well versed in English culture. And that damned Guy Fawkes is still considered a terrorist and anarchist in present-day England and they burn him in effigy every November 5th to celebrate his capture and the failure of his plot to blow James I, his wife, and most of the English nobility while at the same time abducting and ransoming James' kids.

Foo

Andrew76
11-02-2007, 11:48 PM
Actually, no, according to most Englishman, they have a favorable view of Guy Fawkes. It was the British government that initiated Guy Fawkes Day ala burning him in effigy.

I know, I know... it's a huge huge bummer how much money Ron Paul's campaign will make on Nov. 5th. What a drag that's gonna be!

At some point I imagine someone on here will be against celebrating July 4th because it represents the fact that a bunch of treasonous radicals wished to defy the British crown. "I mean, how dare they, right? British soldiers were killed by the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS. Celebrating Independence Day? Hmm, not sure that it sends the right kind of message do you? I mean, with all that violence, treason and radical dissent against government authority it represents? I mean, gosh, someone might get offended! Celebrating the 4th is a terrible idea! I'm warning you!! You'd better listen to me!" Blah, frikkin blah.

Enough already.

NewEnd
11-02-2007, 11:52 PM
How many people have a clue what "Guy Fawkes Day" is? Im betting about 5%. How many people have a clue what raising MILLIONS of dollars in one day is? 100%. Money talks.


QFT FTW

BrooklynZoo
11-03-2007, 01:11 AM
From watching the clip, a few things come to mind.

One, Joel "Martha Stewart's Living" Stein is a tool and is either too clueless to understand what he's seeing or clearly attempting to slant it. Either way, he comes across as an idiot. Who uses the term "nerd" anymore with derision? That kind of died with the advent of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and I don't know, the INTERNET. Since everyone is now using computers and on the web, doesn't that make them all nerds? Or is there some kind of denial for jocks and preps like Joel 'The Dude' Stein like, "Well sure, I totally use the internet but I'm no nerd like those Ron Paul geeks. I spend my time online like looking up stuff on football, NASCAR and porn." Jackass.

Second, maybe it's just me but Tucker appears to be subtly dismissive to Paul bashers. MSNBC is clearly not in favor of a Ron Paul presidency and I guarantee he's gotten heat for his support of Paul. They would prefer Tucker to provide red meat. However in doing this it's like a "wink wink" kind of letting the interviewee dig his own grave while voicing subtly cynical agreement.

Watch the end of the segment when Tucker laughs about Guy Fawkes day. Stein kind of digs at Tucker, "There's a lot of freaks out there... including you, apparently." Watch Tucker's reaction, a cynical, "That's farther out even than I realized," and an insincere, "Thanks very much." I get the impression he really did not like this guy and he also thinks he's an idiot.

Tucker is always very supportive of Ron Paul and he typically uses a reverse-psychology approach when he talks about Paul with guests. For instance, on Real Time when Bill Maher said there were things about Ron Paul that he did not agree with, Carlson said "Well, I do, I agree with him." He then went on into a list of reasons why people should stop "pretending to love Ron Paul, because it's popular." It's like trying to get the casual viewer to pay closer attention to Ron Paul by dramatizing the issue. Not to mention that in a roundabout way he suggested that Paul is very popular and people like things that are popular. It's the message hidden in the rhetoric.

Jerome
11-03-2007, 01:15 AM
Who gives a shit if they try to spin 11/5 into some negativity? They're just mad cuz nobody would ever do such a thing for Ghoul's campaign.

I mean really, lets investigate all of the lobbyist money that all the other schmucks accept and see which one is worse - association w/ a movie or payola? Get real people.

devil21
11-03-2007, 01:17 AM
Actually, no, according to most Englishman, they have a favorable view of Guy Fawkes. It was the British government that initiated Guy Fawkes Day ala burning him in effigy.

I know, I know... it's a huge huge bummer how much money Ron Paul's campaign will make on Nov. 5th. What a drag that's gonna be!

At some point I imagine someone on here will be against celebrating July 4th because it represents the fact that a bunch of treasonous radicals wished to defy the British crown. "I mean, how dare they, right? British soldiers were killed by the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS. Celebrating Independence Day? Hmm, not sure that it sends the right kind of message do you? I mean, with all that violence, treason and radical dissent against government authority it represents? I mean, gosh, someone might get offended! Celebrating the 4th is a terrible idea! I'm warning you!! You'd better listen to me!" Blah, frikkin blah.

Enough already.

You really should post more often.

foofighter20x
11-03-2007, 01:18 AM
They're just mad cuz nobody would ever do such a thing for Ghoul's campaign.

More like they don't have the number of supporters to pull it off... :D

foofighter20x
11-03-2007, 01:19 AM
Actually, no, according to most Englishman, they have a favorable view of Guy Fawkes. It was the British government that initiated Guy Fawkes Day ala burning him in effigy.

I know, I know... it's a huge huge bummer how much money Ron Paul's campaign will make on Nov. 5th. What a drag that's gonna be!

At some point I imagine someone on here will be against celebrating July 4th because it represents the fact that a bunch of treasonous radicals wished to defy the British crown. "I mean, how dare they, right? British soldiers were killed by the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS. Celebrating Independence Day? Hmm, not sure that it sends the right kind of message do you? I mean, with all that violence, treason and radical dissent against government authority it represents? I mean, gosh, someone might get offended! Celebrating the 4th is a terrible idea! I'm warning you!! You'd better listen to me!" Blah, frikkin blah.

Enough already.

All I see is a bunch of words but no citations... I call BS.

Pete Kay
11-03-2007, 01:41 AM
How the hell does that douchebag get off being a journalist? The guy is clearly a moron. I don't see how this interview is bad. Is anyone going to listen to an inarticulate stoner?

Ncturnal
11-03-2007, 08:46 AM
The biggest problem I saw with choosing the 5th of Nov was that it should have been in October in order to try and meet the $4 million goal for that month.

angelatc
11-03-2007, 08:51 AM
man that guy is good looking

I think he's gay. Which, if you're a gay male, might be good news. I, on the other hand, as a hetero female, take the news slightly differently. :D

Sematary
11-03-2007, 08:57 AM
Yeah, but this all could have been avoided if another date was chosen like many suggested from the beginning. It's too late now, but why get negative press when you don't have to?

You guys don't get it. There is no such thing as bad press. The amount of money raised on Nov 5 is going to be HUGE and the symbolism of using Guy Fawkes day as the date to do it may garner some ridicule in the press but the numbers will be indisputable and judging from Ron Paul's reaction - it seems he's tickled pink. A STATEMENT IS BEING MADE and there is no better day, short of the 4th of July, to make it!

Sematary
11-03-2007, 08:59 AM
Tucker is an ASS.

That was an ASS interview.

As far as Nov 5th, I'm not afraid to say that I'm a huge fan of V and Guy Fawkes day and the association. I say F.U. to the mainstream media!

Isn't that what this campaign has become? A giant middle finger to the status quo?
Guy Fawkes day is PERFECT!

Sematary
11-03-2007, 09:00 AM
Yeah, I agree. I even said anyone who wants to celebrate Guy Fawkes and/or V for Vendetta is a fanatic/nerd before this piece was published in Time.

Associating Ron with an overrated film or a man who planned to murder people isn't, uh not very wise.

Our entire nation is built upon a revolution. Guy Fawkes wanted a revolution. This campaign is a revolution. Is all of this lost on you?

winston_blade
11-03-2007, 09:03 AM
I was expecting something absolutely horrible and it wasn't that bad.

winston_blade
11-03-2007, 09:04 AM
Our entire nation is built upon a revolution. Guy Fawkes wanted a revolution. This campaign is a revolution. Is all of this lost on you?

Osama Bin Ladin wanted a revolution too, but it doesn't mean you have a giant fundraiser on 9/11....unless of course, you are Rudy.

speciallyblend
11-03-2007, 09:07 AM
All I see is a bunch of words but no citations... I call BS.

People will find anything and everything to bitch about.It's a fact no matter what theme or idea you pick someone will attack it,made sense to me.

speciallyblend
11-03-2007, 09:09 AM
Tucker Carlson is on my permanent shit list.He just lost us as viewers. I watched the segment,tucker knew exactly what was going to happen on his show,the whole interview and tucker seemed staged and predicted. He knew exactly what this guy joel was going to say.if tucker had any pride ,he would of called joel crazy on air and a punk,but tucker is a shill and useless.If tucker is a supporter we dont need enemies. I'm done with tuckers show and i watched his show for years.

leipo
11-03-2007, 09:10 AM
That was an awkward interview.

huchahucha
11-03-2007, 10:03 AM
It has been said before in this thread, but I will say it again. I think Tucker was purposely trying to flood the MSNBC mail server with hate mail. He made the joke about only having eight viewers (he also made similar statements on Bill Maher's show about his own bad ratings). On another show he allowed it to be brought up that any mention of Ron Paul draws immediate reaction. I think he was signalling to someone at NBC headquarters: "Hey, you think nobody is watching my show? Well, check this out!"

Perry
11-03-2007, 10:05 AM
He won't be on Tucker again anytime soon.

wfd40
11-03-2007, 11:23 AM
It has been said before in this thread, but I will say it again. I think Tucker was purposely trying to flood the MSNBC mail server with hate mail. He made the joke about only having eight viewers (he also made similar statements on Bill Maher's show about his own bad ratings). On another show he allowed it to be brought up that any mention of Ron Paul draws immediate reaction. I think he was signalling to someone at NBC headquarters: "Hey, you think nobody is watching my show? Well, check this out!"

smart like a fox he is...

Very angry email SENT!

I expect everyone else to do the same.. tucker wants them it would seem to prove a point.

ronpaul4pres
11-03-2007, 12:03 PM
You guys don't get it. There is no such thing as bad press. The amount of money raised on Nov 5 is going to be HUGE and the symbolism of using Guy Fawkes day as the date to do it may garner some ridicule in the press but the numbers will be indisputable and judging from Ron Paul's reaction - it seems he's tickled pink. A STATEMENT IS BEING MADE and there is no better day, short of the 4th of July, to make it!

When firefighters spoke out against Rudy earlier this year, was that good press or bad press?

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jul/11/breaking_fire_fighters_attacking_rudy_in_new_video

Perhaps it didn't change the minds of too many, but for those minds it did change, how many people heard that message and thought:

1) I should support Rudy, now!
2) I no longer support Rudy!

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the #2's outweigh the #1's by a large margin.

How does anyone here know Ron Paul supports Guy Fawkes? I would be very interested to hear him say that or read a quote. Can anyone here point me to such a link where Ron Paul clearly states he thinks Guy Fawkes should be celebrated? I don't think anyone can, so let's all take a moment to visit this site and reflect on Ron Paul's true beliefs: http://www.wwrpd.org/

fourameuphoria
11-03-2007, 12:09 PM
Is it just me, or does Tucker seem like Professor Snape? No one seems to know where his true allegiances lay...

LBT
11-03-2007, 12:13 PM
Dare we not link the campaign to those horridly aggressive Founding Fathers. Shock Horror!

Those with V-phobia ought to look into history and revolutions more closely. We are lucky that a bloodless revolution may take place. But if it doesn't, then either the future is likely to be bleek or bloody.

The spirit of liberty remains the same, though the tactics change. V connects with that spirit. That does not mean that the message of V is perfectly aligned with campaign goals, but to deny a connective spirit is to dilute the spirit that gives a true revolution much of its passion.

If this were just a 'dot the i's' and 'cross the t's' and target the lowest common denominator of a target demographic campaign, then it wouldn't have gotten half as far as it has already gotten.

The real fuel behind this campaign is not the 'fingers up at the establishment' brigade, but a small army of believers in hope v destruction. People who really would fight for ideals, for an honest government. The fuel under this fire is pure passion. The masses may drift into it for reasons of fashion, but if the underlying fire is diluted, the radiance will decrease.

I suspect many people told the founders to compromise on their hard line approach also.

The Good Doctor
11-03-2007, 12:21 PM
Ha ha! Eat crow you naysayers! :D


Do you really know how Dr. Paul feels? Really? Do you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzKDBv5QkI

The Good Doctor
11-03-2007, 12:22 PM
Yup he is just a dumb old man. /sarcasm off

You really believe that?


Maybe Ron Paul doesn't know who Guy Fawkes is? http://www.aliendave.com/files/graphix/crazy_smiley.gif

The Good Doctor
11-03-2007, 12:27 PM
And people are missing the entire point about the MOVIE.

What do they do? Make a revolutionary change and overthrow a tyrannical government. It's about the people and the movement. It is the ability to enact change. It is about showing strength in numbers. It is about the dissatisfaction with the status quo. People know there is something wrong with our government.

Isn't this why we are all here for Dr. Paul?

Then donate on the 5th. That is all that matters. It is about blowing the roof off this fund raising date and causing a media storm! :D


How many people have a clue what "Guy Fawkes Day" is? Im betting about 5%. How many people have a clue what raising MILLIONS of dollars in one day is? 100%. Money talks.

The Good Doctor
11-03-2007, 12:28 PM
Yeah. Tucker says he didn't know about the 5th. BS this was a scripted hit piece. Tucker is a jerk.


F*CK that LA times guy. Screw Tucker.


Don't get mad at the nov 5th fundraising date, they are scrounging for hit piece material and will use anything they think they can manipulate into making us look bad.

Feel free to write angry emails to every single person at CNN though, and at time magazine. The "ron paul revolution" piece in time is garbage, straight up hit piece calling us all "crazy nerds" and trashing the message. It's what tuckers piece was based on tonight.


OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE THEY HAD THAT LA TIMES IDIOT ON.
After I read that article today I had the urge to burn down the LA Times building =)


Now I feel better. Carry on =)

The Good Doctor
11-03-2007, 12:29 PM
Nice. I will be using that one. :D


"McJournalist," is right! Perfect word choice. :D

The Good Doctor
11-03-2007, 12:32 PM
No I for one get it wholeheartedly. :D


Our entire nation is built upon a revolution. Guy Fawkes wanted a revolution. This campaign is a revolution. Is all of this lost on you?

speciallyblend
11-03-2007, 12:34 PM
NOV 5th mY PAYPAL account enters the Revolution:) NOV 5th people Donate:) DONATE

TruckinMike
11-03-2007, 12:51 PM
Dare we not link the campaign to those horridly aggressive Founding Fathers. Shock Horror!

Those with V-phobia ought to look into history and revolutions more closely. We are lucky that a bloodless revolution may take place. But if it doesn't, then either the future is likely to be bleek or bloody.

The spirit of liberty remains the same, though the tactics change. V connects with that spirit. That does not mean that the message of V is perfectly aligned with campaign goals, but to deny a connective spirit is to dilute the spirit that gives a true revolution much of its passion.

If this were just a 'dot the i's' and 'cross the t's' and target the lowest common denominator of a target demographic campaign, then it wouldn't have gotten half as far as it has already gotten.

The real fuel behind this campaign is not the 'fingers up at the establishment' brigade, but a small army of believers in hope v destruction. People who really would fight for ideals, for an honest government. The fuel under this fire is pure passion. The masses may drift into it for reasons of fashion, but if the underlying fire is diluted, the radiance will decrease.

I suspect many people told the founders to compromise on their hard line approach also.

I could not have said it better!

Truckinmike


The next money Bomb : December 16th ----- What happened on December 16, 1773? The Boston Tea Party happened!

SeanEdwards
11-03-2007, 07:19 PM
As usual on this particular topic, your words live up to your name. People signed up for this date in such numbers BECAUSE of the V association, the movie is extremely popular, and to people of an Irish Catholic persuasion like myself Guy Fawkes is a sympathetic character. A veterans day or some other goofy government holiday scheme would not have gotten these numbers.

I'd recommend taking a few days off from watching the MSM, it's bad for your health.

No, V for vendetta sucked ballz. It was dumbass fundraising date to choose. No doubt it was a 9/11 truther who came up with the idea.

That said, I'll be donating on 11/5 just to try and help make it a big fundraising day anyway. But I really think it was a moronic date to choose.

Veteran's day would have been for the win. Instead we've got this "let's associate RP with violent anarchist terrorism as expressed by a cheezeball hollywood flick" strategy. :rolleyes:

*edit*

I did find it amusing that the Stein idiot seemed to know a lot about sleeping through "boring" college classes. I bet he did a lot of sleeping during journalistic ethics class.

fightfortruth
11-03-2007, 07:24 PM
When someone claims to be a socialist, I ask them if they'd be willing to trade cars with the person driving the ugliest car in the parking lot, since we're all equals and shouldn't be driving cars as status. No one has been willing to do so. I conclude, I've never really met a socialist.

I love that. I am going to use that one next tim I meet a claimed socialist.

fightfortruth
11-03-2007, 08:06 PM
Yeah. He is not well versed in history. And that damned Guy Fawkes was such a meanie they gave him his own holiday.

Rancdy

Exactly! Lets name a day after a terrorist and a creep who was so terrible that they dedicated a day to Remember him(sarcasm if you didn't get that). Obviously the message or the idea was so powerful and inspiring to people that they decided to give him in remembrence to an idea. Ron Paul doesn't try to play safe. He is very bold in his words and his actions.

Can we just try and raise money for Ron Paul without all the fighting and bickering over the details.

Try not to let the media get to you everyone. Just get out there and do the ground work by handing out flyers or holding up signs, make your donations, and talk to as many people as possible about Ron Paul.

Today, the meetup groups I am in got together and passed out over 10,000 flyers at the Texas Motor Speedway and talked to a lot of people(we have a Ron Paul booth there). We gave away so many Ron Paul balloons, probably 3 or 4 thousand. there was only 10 to fifteen of us there. We are going to pass out even more tomorrow because there are going to be twice as many people. All we have to do is come together and get active. When there is bad press for Ron Paul, go pass out flyers at a college or professional football game. Whenever you get discouraged, go to your local Ron Paul meetup group and volunteer a few times during the week. Start yuor own meetup group. Be change. Go to your local meetup groups and retaliate against the media and here lies by getting out there and volunteering for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul knows about Nov. 5th and he is exited about it. I have personally talked with his son Robert(he is an active member in one of my meetup groups, and was at the speedway today for a little while) and he can't wait. This is about Ron Paul and raising good honest money for him(money that isn't from lobbyists and other special interest groups). If he doesn't care, why should we?

tnvoter
11-03-2007, 08:36 PM
We picked November 5th for many reasons, not just Guy Fawkes.

NEVER FORGET SUSAN B ANTHONY. See?

SeanEdwards
11-03-2007, 08:52 PM
Exactly! Lets name a day after a terrorist and a creep who was so terrible that they dedicated a day to Remember him(sarcasm if you didn't get that). Obviously the message or the idea was so powerful and inspiring to people that they decided to give him in remembrence to an idea. ?

The made it a holiday so they could burn the terrorist freak in effigy over and over again.

fightfortruth
11-03-2007, 08:56 PM
Did you even read what I said? We need to stop bickering over this and get active. If Ron Paul and his son Robert are okay with Nov. 5th, then why can't his supporters be?

lastnymleft
11-03-2007, 10:41 PM
Those with V-phobia ought to look into history and revolutions more closely. We are lucky that a bloodless revolution may take place. But if it doesn't, then either the future is likely to be bleek or bloody.

Exactly. As I see the thisnovember5th message, it's about saying 'We recognize that we are being taken down a path towards tyranny, and this is our show of support for a peaceful revolution that rejects that path. Should this peaceful revolution fail, and full blown tyranny prevails, then violent revolution will be inevitable. It's a peaceful revolution *now* to prevent a violent revolution *later*. In either case, we will not accept tyranny.'

To my mind, the choice is a 'no brainer': support the thisnovember5th efforts as much as you can. This is the easy option.


"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy