Is Obama running unopposed? Why don't we have a liberty candidate running democrat? [Archive]

Feeding the Abscess

08-14-2011, 01:41 AM

blocks

08-14-2011, 01:43 AM

Good question. I think there is enough pissed off leftists to force it. But it the problem is it comes down to the DNC. I think the last time a sitting president was challenged in a primary was Carter in 1980 by Ted Kennedy? Not sure...Someone help me out.

Acala

08-14-2011, 07:42 AM

There are no liberty Democrats running because the vast majority of Democrats are caught up in hating Republicans just as the vast majority of Republicans are caught up in hating Obama. The ONLY reason the Republicans are talking about ANYTHING other than how much Obama sucks is because of one man. Without Ron Paul it would be status quo in every direction as far as the eye can see.

Kords21

08-14-2011, 07:43 AM

Maybe Ron could actually make the news by turning Democrat and challenging Obama to a primary. lol

Noob

08-14-2011, 07:44 AM

There are all ready Democrats running against him. I am not sure if they fit the Liberty candidate type.

http://www.williecarterforpresident.com/

http://leahlax.com/

http://www.deonianeveu.com/

VBRonPaulFan

08-14-2011, 08:09 AM

Peace&Freedom

08-14-2011, 09:06 AM

There are enough Democrats out there who are Ron Paul supporters, and enough tea party Democrats as well to make it worth our while to field such candidates over the mid to long term, and establish a beachhead in the Democratic universe. A slate of liberty issues, and a "primary 'em" TP attitude should be enough to make waves and pressure the entire big party establishment in a liberty direction.

BuddyRey

08-14-2011, 09:08 AM

We need to draft Jim Traficant!

tasteless

08-14-2011, 09:09 AM

because usually democrats and liberty are mutually exclusive

Koz

08-14-2011, 09:17 AM

Is there a democrat that is liberty minded? When I hear the word democrat, I think socialist. If there is please point him or her out to me, I would be fascinated.

BenjFranklin

08-14-2011, 09:23 AM

The less attention payed to a Democratic primary is more attention for the GOP race. There is one man telling the truth, everyone needs to hear the message.

Pro-Life Libertarian

08-14-2011, 11:09 AM

Bernie Sanders(the self-described socialist) is considering a challenge.

Mike Gravel has offered 1 million to anyone that challenges him in a primary.

Ralph Nader has called for a primary challenge, but this time not himself.

acptulsa

08-14-2011, 11:19 AM

Much noise is being made about this, and for obvious reasons. They definitely don't want Democrats crossing over and voting for Ron Paul in the G.O.P. primary, as we are working hard to encourage them to do. But they have a problem. And that is, what Democrat who actually has the chops to pose a credible threat to Obama and scare the Democrats back to their own primaries wants to damage his or her own career by refusing to be a 'team player' during the party's darkest hour in thirty years?

For, you see, the only way they can do this 'team player' thing is to either sacrifice their career and 'take one for the team', or openly admit they're just playing the Democratic rank and file and trying to keep them from helping us get Ron Paul the nomination. And nothing but nothing would get us a flock of crossover help in the primaries faster than their admission that they're gaming their own people. Nothing.

Anti Federalist

08-14-2011, 11:57 AM

Some lady that is on the board for the DNC on Bill Maher's show recently said flat out that it isn't possible, and that nobody is going to run against Obama. They're putting all of their eggs in one basket, and hope they'll get enough 2008 vote back in 2012 even though he's been a complete failure.

Failure?

Hardly.

He's kicked the establishment can further down the road in three years than W did in 8, even with the 9/11 winds to his back.

VBRonPaulFan

08-14-2011, 12:28 PM

Failure?

Hardly.

He's kicked the establishment can further down the road in three years than W did in 8, even with the 9/11 winds to his back.

I guess it is how you define it. But enough liberal minded people i've talked to are pretty angry with him and feel like he is a failure to them... which is ultimately what is important.

Noob

11-20-2011, 07:29 AM

Here is a list of Democrats running for President....

Aaron Leon Ammann (Washington)
Warren Ashe (Virginia)
George Ballard III (Pennsylvania)
Sanderson Beck (California)
Jeff Boss (New Jersey)
Harry Braun (Arizona)
Willie Carter (Texas)
Ed Cowan (Vermont)
Bob Ely (Illinois)
Craig Freis (California)
Alvin Greene (South Carolina)
Bob Greene (California)
Al Hamburg (Wyoming)
Patrice Hardcastle (Virginia)
John Haywood (North Carolina)
Raphael Herman (Florida)
Robert Jordan (California)
Cody Judy (Utah)
Leah Lax (Pennsylvania)
Kip Lee (California)
Mark Levetin (Florida)
Kenneth Keith Litzinger (West Virginia)
Dave Montgomery (California)
Deonia "Dee" Neveu (Virginia)
Shawn O'Brien (Florida)
Cornelius O'Connor (Florida)
Edward O'Donnell (Delaware)
Dean Phillips (District of Columbia)
Darcy Richardson (Florida)
Gary Stephens (South Carolina)
Vermin Supreme (Massachusetts)
Randall Terry (West Virginia)
Aldous Tyler (Wisconsin)
George Washington Williams (Ohio)
John Wolfe Jr. (Tennessee)

http://www.politics1.com/p2012.htm

cindy25

11-20-2011, 08:01 AM

Democrats can vote in the IA caucus as Republicans, as can independents in NH.

they should be canvassed.

outspoken

11-20-2011, 08:57 AM

The democrat party has fully committed itself to collectivism, socialism and centralized power. There is still faint hope that the libertarian minded few that reside with the Republican party will convert the majority to the almighty power that exists when we support the rights of individuals above ALL else. I pray the conversion happens before this mess gets violent... It's not looking good. Human nature is such that we only choose to see the light in response to personal suffering.

bluesc

11-20-2011, 08:58 AM

Here is a list of Democrats running for President....

http://www.politics1.com/p2012.htm

Alvin Greene

We have a winner.

Shinerxx

11-20-2011, 09:26 AM

I wonder if being POTUS would count for some/all of Alvin Greene's community service.

1836

11-20-2011, 09:51 AM

Russ Feingold would gain traction. A liberal, but an honest liberal.

ShaneEnochs

11-20-2011, 11:13 AM

nbhadja

11-20-2011, 11:36 AM

Is there a democrat that is liberty minded? When I hear the word democrat, I think socialist. If there is please point him or her out to me, I would be fascinated.

Considering the fact that all other "mainstream" candidates and the president are corporatists, I would say a real socialist like Dennis Kucinich gaining traction in the Democratic side would be a good thing.

Anything is better than a corporatist (or fascist).

Nate-ForLiberty

11-20-2011, 11:39 AM

I don't understand what a liberty-minded Democrat would be. Democrats are for welfare, which seems to be the opposite of liberty. I can see them being partial-pro-liberty, such as legalizing drugs and such, but beyond that, I don't know how that would work.

Considering the fact that all other "mainstream" candidates and the president are corporatists, I would say a real socialist like Dennis Kucinich gaining traction in the Democratic side would be a good thing.

Anything is better than a corporatist (or fascist).

Many would say the same thing about Republicans before they discovered Ron Paul. In a free society, shouldn't all our politicians be liberty minded? If we have to choose between a hard fascist (R) or soft fascist (D), are we really free?

Just as Ron Paul has reclaimed the Republican Party, the Democrats need to root out their fascist leaders, too.

Imagine a debate between Obama and Kucinich.

PreDeadMan

11-20-2011, 12:04 PM

maybe we could get this guy to debate obama:

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSD7XiAMOsa_4C3c2sONtE6tgRmqqV0n EVfjBoFOFKGgZxLGHWu

Keith and stuff

11-20-2011, 01:18 PM

Why did you think he was running unopposed? I mean sure, there aren't 30 Democrats running, like there are 30 GOPers running, but 20 Democrats is still quite a bit. That's just in NH.

Nate-ForLiberty

11-20-2011, 01:21 PM

Why did you think he was running unopposed? I mean sure, there aren't 30 Democrats running, like there are 30 GOPers running, but 20 Democrats is still quite a bit. That's just in NH.

Well, my main concern was making sure there were going to be democratic debates. Small time candidates won't get into debates.

Son of Detroit

11-20-2011, 01:23 PM

Why would you want to push this? It would reduce the # of democrats who vote in the Republican primary.

Nate-ForLiberty

11-20-2011, 01:26 PM

Why would you want to push this? It would reduce the # of democrats who vote in the Republican primary.

I really wasn't pushing anything. I posed a question about 3 months ago and then the thread died. Not sure why it was resurrected.

bill1971

11-20-2011, 02:30 PM

Ralph Nader was hinting at it. He is at least out to end the corp bailouts and against the wars.

oyarde

11-21-2011, 11:27 AM

Here is a list of Democrats running for President....

http://www.politics1.com/p2012.htmAlvin Greene , lol , I would pay to see that debate , hope he brings some action figures of himself ...

oyarde

11-21-2011, 11:29 AM

Liberty and Democrat cannot be used in the same sentence . One beer penalty :)

oyarde

11-21-2011, 11:31 AM

Words that can be used in the same sentence ; scumbag , thief , socialist , communist etc

Nate-ForLiberty

11-21-2011, 11:32 AM

Liberty and Democrat cannot be used in the same sentence . One beer penalty :)

I won't be pushing this at all because of the election. But I do want to point out that the Republican, Libertarian, or Constitution Parties do not hold a monopoly on Liberty. We need all people on the side of Liberty regardless of what they call themselves.

oyarde

11-21-2011, 11:41 AM

I won't be pushing this at all because of the election. But I do want to point out that the Republican, Libertarian, or Constitution Parties do not hold a monopoly on Liberty. We need all people on the side of Liberty regardless of what they call themselves. You are correct .

Brian4Liberty

11-21-2011, 11:49 AM

I can't think of a liberty democrat that would gain enough traction to reasonably call for a debate and be granted that request.

That said, I do think we should support liberty democrats for Congress.

There are enough Democrats out there who are Ron Paul supporters, and enough tea party Democrats as well to make it worth our while to field such candidates over the mid to long term, and establish a beachhead in the Democratic universe. A slate of liberty issues, and a "primary 'em" TP attitude should be enough to make waves and pressure the entire big party establishment in a liberty direction.

We really should be doing this. There must be some left-libertarians who can run as Democrats.

GeorgiaAvenger

11-21-2011, 01:52 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition#Members_in_the_112th_Congress

Feeding the Abscess

11-21-2011, 03:52 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition#Members_in_the_112th_Congress

Haven't checked every one, but all the ones (most of the group) I've checked voted for the PATRIOT Act and other liberty-shredding bills. That coalition is a complete rubber stamp for big government, they're the worst of the Democratic and Republican parties.