"I think my challenge of Ron Paul hurt him. Michelle Bachmann should thank me."-Santorum

[BamaFanNKy]

Just now on CSPAN.

[Valli6]

oh I see.

[CaptUSA]

Sad as it is to say, I think he's right.

[pauladin]

whatever. drop out santorum.

[realtonygoodwin]

He is probably correct.

[BamaFanNKy]

Bad in Iowa is good if he makes the General.

[BamaFanNKy]

Now he's on MSNBC.

[ninepointfive]

you mean his challenge in the debates? what is this referring to?

[RM918]

Is he correct? Or did his challenge of Paul GIVE Paul votes by turning people on foreign policy?

[BamaFanNKy]

He's taking a victory lap on MSNBC.

[purplechoe]

I blame Randy Travis...

[smartguy911]

I think he might be right. Dr Paul needs to be clear when he talks about his foreign policy. Maybe Revolution Pac can put out some nice ads educating the public.

[pcosmar]

Frothy.

[Eleventh Star]

Said the guy with 1/3rd of Ron's votes. I think we can stop talking about him now.

[BamaFanNKy]

Rand Nails the Iran and War answers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=490ICnxtKrM

[ghengis86]

Said the guy with 1/3rd of Ron's votes. I think we can stop talking about him now.

This^

[Agorism]

Who cares what this guy thinks.

We got our supporters out in massive numbers compared to last time irregardless of what minor role he played in this. His opinions are inconsequential.

[erowe1]

Santorum's campaign also said that Ron Paul didn't have enough supporters to be able to win.
http://earlyreturns.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/early-returns-20/53-post-gazette-staff/2950-daily-santorum-the-iowa-strategy

So which is it?

[Agorism]

This guy is having delusions of grandeur again.

[Libertea Party]

As I said in detail in another thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308176-Could-the-Santorum-v-Paul-spat-be-our-2012-Rudy-moment&p=3459618&viewfull=1#post3459618) he's there to troll Ron Paul and be his stalker. That's it.

Ron Paul needs to talk about how little credibility a hack like Santorum has when he endorsed the pro-abortion, pro-union, pro-big government Republican-turned-Democrat Turncoat Arlen Specter over conservative hero and current Senator from Pennsylvania Pat Toomey. When he supported the largest expansion (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/157489-santorum-medicare-drug-benefit-vote-a-qmistakeq') in entitlements in Republican history.

"Rick Santorum sees the world the same way as Barack Obama does by endorsing pro-choice, pro-big Government Senators to represent them in Congress and by voting for expanding government healthcare and going into debt to China and its allied Middle Eastern Dictatorships to do it."

Let that "challenge" make its way around the news-cycle.

[pcosmar]

This guy is having delusions of grandeur again.

It's just his superiority complex.
;)

[MozoVote]

Santoum is setting himself up as the Giuliani style foil to RP. Fine. Paul did win more delegates than Giuliani in the end.

[Original_Intent]

He just is sucking up for veep or a cabinet post.

[Kords21]

I suppose when Santorum bows out of the campagin, he can take his warm feelings and go champion gay rights in Iran.

[Jingles]

I really, really don't like Rick Santorum. He was my horrible former Senator, a Bush cheerleader (you thought Bush was a neocon... This guy was still saying that we found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq EVEN AFTER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION SAID THAT THEY DID NOT!) Everyone in Pennsylvania hates him. He lost his last election by 18% of the vote. He is a disgrace to my homestate.

Didn't Ron Paul come in second last year in PA? I just want Rick Santorum to stick around until the primaries so I can laugh when he gets 1% of the vote in my/his homestate and Ron Paul takes PA in a landslide.

[Jingles]

I mean last election rather than year*

[TRIGRHAPPY]

i suppose when santorum bows out of the campagin, he can take his warm feelings and go champion gay rights in iran.

lol

[Anti Federalist]

Frothy.

Anal.

[lucky_bg]

Sad as it is to say, I think he's right.

+1
me too :-( ....ing Iran!

[Brett85]

I really don't see how the Iran issue could've hurt Ron when his comment regarding Osama Bin Laden didn't seem to hurt him. I would think that there would be less Republicans who agreed with what he said regarding Bin Laden than agreed with his Iran position. It's hard to believe that some people who "supported" Ron didn't know what his position on Iran was. Why do people support candidates without knowing their positions?

[Brett85]

Also, it should be pointed out that Ron's campaign bought a little over 4,000 tickets while Bachmann's campaign bought about 6,000 tickets. Bachmann basically just bought this straw poll.

[ClayTrainor]

The best moment of the whole debate was where Ron Paul got into with Santorum, in my opinion.

Unless you're a socialist, braindead or brainwashed, i don't see how anyone can think Santorum was the victor in that exchange.

"There was no al Qaida in Iraq. And they had nuclear weapons, and we had to go in! I’m sure you supported that war as well, It’s time we quit this. WE'RE SPENDING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THESE WARS!!!"

[Anti Federalist]

I really don't see how the Iran issue could've hurt Ron when his comment regarding Osama Bin Laden didn't seem to hurt him. I would think that there would be less Republicans who agreed with what he said regarding Bin Laden than agreed with his Iran position. It's hard to believe that some people who "supported" Ron didn't know what his position on Iran was. Why do people support candidates without knowing their positions?

That ^^^ Good point.

[angelatc]

Santorum has gone from being a nobody to being a bitter nobody. He's really nasty.

[anaconda]

Huckabee was second in the Ames straw poll.

[bolidew]

this guy is again bashing on Ron Paul in order to get a little attention to himself?
He even cried foul for not having as much $$ as Ron .... Pathetic!

[pcosmar]

Santorum has gone from being a nobody to being a bitter nobody. He's really nasty.

He should grow a little narrow mustache to make himself feel better.

[pcosmar]

Huckabee was second in the Ames straw poll.

And he is still considered relevant.
go figure

;)

[Brett85]

Santorum has gone from being a nobody to being a bitter nobody. He's really nasty.

Yes, Santorum is my least favorite candidate in the GOP race. He would be George W. Bush on steroids.

[Unelected]

The best moment of the whole debate was where Ron Paul got into with Santorum, in my opinion.

Unless you're a socialist, braindead or brainwashed, i don't see how anyone can think Santorum was the victor in that exchange.

"There was no al Qaida in Iraq. And they had nuclear weapons, and we had to go in! I’m sure you supported that war as well, It’s time we quit this. WE'RE SPENDING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THESE WARS!!!"

The problem is that you just described the vast majority of Republicans.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

And he is still considered relevant.
go figure

;)

Funny how that media works, yeah ?

[purplechoe]

The problem is that you just described the vast majority of Republicans.

yup, neocons are just liberals who like to bomb people...

[roho76]

Frothy.


Anal.

PopTarts.

[silentshout]

The best moment of the whole debate was where Ron Paul got into with Santorum, in my opinion.

Unless you're a socialist, braindead or brainwashed, i don't see how anyone can think Santorum was the victor in that exchange.

"There was no al Qaida in Iraq. And they had nuclear weapons, and we had to go in! I’m sure you supported that war as well, It’s time we quit this. WE'RE SPENDING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THESE WARS!!!"

I agree 100%. I thought it was fantastic. I can't believe people think otherwise. Why do people want MORE wars? ugh......

[wgadget]

Dicky Santorum is wieniesque. Always will be.

[KingRobbStark]

He should grow a little narrow mustache to make himself feel better.

Or better yet grow some balls and deal with it like a man.

[Imaginos]

Say one traitor to another traitor.
Go to Hell both of you, seriously.

[wgadget]

I really don't see how the Iran issue could've hurt Ron when his comment regarding Osama Bin Laden didn't seem to hurt him. I would think that there would be less Republicans who agreed with what he said regarding Bin Laden than agreed with his Iran position. It's hard to believe that some people who "supported" Ron didn't know what his position on Iran was. Why do people support candidates without knowing their positions?

He's just milking his 15 minutes of fame.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Oh yeah, Santorum, it hurt him real bad. Losing by less than 1% and getting more votes than the winner did in 2007. Santorum is an ego maniac.

[Libertea Party]

In fact if it wasn't for Arlen Specter there would be no Obamacare (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/04/08/sen_specter_says_he_would_still_vote_for_health_bi ll_if_he_was_a_republican.html). If Santorum wants to take credit for 1% of votes now in Iowa he has to own the 1% of votes in Pennsylvania for his public endorsement of Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania,_200 4#Results_2)
No Hack Santorum=No Obamacare

Rick Santorum: Bringing you expanded government healthcare TWICE in 2003 and 2009!

[Libertea Party]

Abortion isn't a vote that matters to Rick!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HOb0NEJ1E

[josh b]

PopTarts.

Thanks, now I'm never eating poptarts again.

[AGRP]

How stupid.

By him saying that, he is admitting that Ron Paul is the frontrunner.

[Carehn]

santorum is un-electable guys. Don't waist time on him.

-you know how it feels when people say Paul is un-electable? Try turning it back on them at the right time. It feels so damn good!-

[sailingaway]

Good thing Santorum was rejected for the Senate. I don't think he and Rand would get on well.

[Wren]

Don't feed the troll...that's all I have to say about this guy. He's irrelevant

[r3volution]

lol , that is the best he can do ? get a few more votes for another candidate ? drop out already loser !

[angelatc]

How stupid.

By him saying that, he is admitting that Ron Paul is the frontrunner.

The unwritten rules say that you only attack up, never down. Ignoring him is the best course of action, even though I'm apparently not very good at that.

[angelatc]

Good thing Santorum was rejected for the Senate. I don't think he and Rand would get on well.

I have a picture of Santorum beating Rand with a cane...

[libertybrewcity]

Santatorium is an obsolete human

[Darin]

I don't think Santorum will last... but while he's there, I think it's only good for Ron Paul.

Paul is at his best when challenged.

- Darin

[ForLibertyFight]

I blame Randy Travis and the frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex. (Google Santorum)

[TexasJake]

Santorum is just bitter, he was clearly squashed today and he knows it. I'm not sweating this clown at all. It is important to remember that Ron's message on Iran is correct, people who are brainwashed by 'winning' by millitary force will take longer to absorb it. That is where all of us will do well to help articulate it to those who are having problems with it.

[samforpaul]

Abortion isn't a vote that matters to Rick!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HOb0NEJ1E


I'm curious about something. Was Rick endorsing Specter here in a Primary or General Election? If he endorsed Specter over a Pro-Life Republican it makes him look bad IMO.

[anaconda]

Is he correct? Or did his challenge of Paul GIVE Paul votes by turning people on foreign policy?

^This.

[jmdrake]

The best moment of the whole debate was where Ron Paul got into with Santorum, in my opinion.

Unless you're a socialist, braindead or brainwashed, i don't see how anyone can think Santorum was the victor in that exchange.

"There was no al Qaida in Iraq. And they had nuclear weapons, and we had to go in! I’m sure you supported that war as well, It’s time we quit this. WE'RE SPENDING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THESE WARS!!!"

Sadly brain dead people vote. That said I doubt it had any effect on the straw poll. It's not a primary. Most votes were locked in before the debate.

[Badger Paul]

Little scum SOB. You supported an abortionist and kept a pro-lifer and fellow Catholic out of the Senate you Judas! You party apparatchik!

[angelatc]

What was that thing about Iran killing more Americans in Iraq than anybody else? To quote Giuliani, "I've never heard that before."

[Johncjackson]

Has his speech/article or whatever that claimed he was really in the top 3 because Ron Paul doesn't count been posted/mentioned yet?

[SovereignMN]

Paul is at his best when challenged.


This! Paul is great when people challenge him because it gives him an opportunity to show everyone how ridiculous their worldview is. When Paul is unchallenged he doesn't stand out as much.

[Join The Paul Side]

Santorum is a plunger. I hope a dog pees on his leg. :D

[parocks]

Is he correct? Or did his challenge of Paul GIVE Paul votes by turning people on foreign policy?

One way to look at it is that we've identified our voters. We've made arrangements with them, they've signed up for tickets, they're in the system, and Santorums
comments might have turned off, demotivated 3% of the voters we had already identified. If we had the time, perhaps we could have made another round of polling, id'd new voters who responded favorably to our message and brought them to the polls. But there wasn't the time to find the new people and get them to Ames.

[reduen]

Santorum is just trying to catch a wave and ride here folks. He knows that if he does not get some serious attention soon he is toast so he is now "grasping for air" so to speak. He really is very insignificant now and there is no need to even acknowledge this clown any longer…

[pacelli]

Santorum is just trying to catch a wave and ride here folks. He knows that if he does not get some serious attention soon he is toast so he is now "grasping for air" so to speak. He really is very insignificant now and there is no need to even acknowledge this clown any longer…

I agree. Santorum came off like a complete prick at the debate, Ron took him to school and gave him the "bitch, please" hand when Santorum tried to play a Ghouliani and interrupt. Any sensible person watching Santorum during that debate would be put off by his arrogant attitude.

To paraphrase Michael Steele 4 years ago, "Santorum? Its done, its over".

[Dianne]

Ron Paul supporters are true blue; they are not fence sitters. They will get out and campaign, they will get out and vote. No candidate can steal a Ron Paul supporter !!!!

Having said that, we need to pick up the Independents and Democrats; and Paul's anti war philosophy can do that. Paul is the only candidate that can draw from all political affiliations; which scares the GOP establishment to death. Santorum just a hired hand for the GOP. It was clear at the debate Santorum was going after Ron Paul, and Ron Paul alone. Of course Santorum came out looking like the village idiot that he is. We'll see more and more of this.

[pacelli]

"Iran isn't iceland, Ron."

What the fuck????????

[Birdlady]

Santorum is a joke. Nothing else needs to be said really.

[Matthew Zak]

Santorum is just upset that Perry (Santorum on steroids) joined the race, effectively making him obsolete.

[wstrucke]

Why do people support candidates without knowing their positions?

If a 30 second tv ad is enough to sway people, this is clearly the case for the majority of voters. If everyone took the time to research the candidates and vote for the person they actually agree with we wouldn't have this mess in Washington.

[Libertea Party]

I'm curious about something. Was Rick endorsing Specter here in a Primary or General Election? If he endorsed Specter over a Pro-Life Republican it makes him look bad IMO.

It was during the heart-breaking primary. The Fix writes (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/santorum-on-specter.html):


The ad, which ran during Specter's 2004 primary fight against former Rep. Pat Toomey, features Santorum, a conservative darling, endorsing Specter and calling him the "key vote" in passing then President George W. Bush's tax cut plan.

"Arlen is with us on the votes that matter to move our agenda forward for this president and for the country," says Santorum as a picture of Specter and Bush strolling at the White House is shown on screen.

While Santorum's support almost assuredly aided Specter in narrowly beating back a challenge from Toomey six years ago, the words of the former senator -- not to mention the images in the ad -- are sure to come back to haunt the newest Democrat as he prepares to run for reelection.

So not only did he endorse the guy during the primary but he went on air saying only votes on taxes not abortion matter to him. This primary was probably the closest thing to a Tea Party primary before 2010.

It was definately a precursor and who did Santorum go to bat for? The establishment pro-abortion, pro-union, pro-government sleaze Specter that left the party and provided the 60th vote for Obamacare.

[king_nothing_]

He was just on Fox and Friends. They introduced him as "the little engine that could" and "Thomas the Tank". I lol'd. He went on to say that per dollar spent, he beat everyone. In regard to the caucuses, he basically said Ron Paul's supporters were all at the straw poll, therefore he doesn't really have a chance.

[jmdrake]

"Iran isn't iceland, Ron."

What the fuck????????

Yeah, I caught that too. Was that a shot across the bow of the Icelanders for standing up against the banksters?

http://esmccann.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/iceland-saucepan-revolution-flares.jpg?w=510&h=341


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYiTD-Ya4WI&feature=player_embedded

[Revolution9]

Santorum is a joke. Nothing else needs to be said really.

That was him proving he knows some geography. He is proof the US education system works..heh.

Rev9

[Libertea Party]

Oops I forgot about him endorsing Romney over everyone else in 2008. Now he runs against him? Santorum's most galling behavior is on the issue of Obama/Romneycare:


"Santorum called the Democrats' national health care overhaul the "most important issue" of the coming presidential election, and said it would "fundamentally change America going forward," before quickly pivoting to attack Romney, who he supported in 2008
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"We'd better have a candidate who is out there and very, very strong in opposition to government-run health care and focuses on a health care system that centers on you, not on the government," Santorum said on Fox News Tuesday morning. "And that, I think, is a problem for Governor Romney this time around."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52993.htm

And this treasure:


“President Obama & former Governor Mitt Romney's policies both put government squarely at the center of your health decisions. But I believe more government is not the answer. And I'd be willing to bet you agree,” Santorum said in the email.

Ahead of Romney’s major health care speech last week, the Journal’s editorial page slammed Romney as a “compromised and not credible” candidate for president. The editorial board said if Romney couldn’t change his message on health care, he’d be fit to join the president on the 2012 Democratic ticket. Romney last week made the case that the health care reform law he signed in 2006 isn’t much like the one Obama signed last year, saying while both plans contain an individual mandate, the goals were different.

Santorum was quick to pounce then, faulting "a lack of foresight on Gov. Romney's part to understand the implications of his policy proposals."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55132.html


All of which he knew about when he endorsed him!

So Romney had a "lack of foresight of the implications of his policy proposals" in 2006 but Santorum doesn't "lack foresight" on his endorsements in 2004 and even more recently than Romneycare in 2008!

Stay classy Rick!

[itsnobody]

Santorum was right. He did hurt Ron Paul. As to how much effect it will have we will just have to wait and see...