Trying to convert a Perry supporter, and failing. :(

[sevin]

My father-in-law loves Rick Perry so I told him a few things.

1. Me: Rick Perry was a democrat. In fact, he support Al Gore in 1988. So I think he's a RINO and can't be trusted.
Him: Well, you know, Reagan started out as a democrat but over the years he learned better and became a true republican.

2. Me: Rick Perry tried to force young girls to take the Gardasil vaccine.
Him: Well, kids already have to take vaccines before they can start school. It's for their own safety.

3. Me: Rick Perry supported the trans-Texas corridor.
Him: Well, the people didn't like it so he let them vote on it and they said no so it's not happening. He's fair and let's the people decide on things like that.

Umm... help me.

[LibertyEagle]

What about him does your father, like?

Review this:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Nelson/kelleigh127.htm

Frankly, I am floored about your father's stance on gardasil. What is his definition of a "true republican"? If he calls himself a conservative, then no true conservative would EVER say say that parents should be overruled by the government as to whether their 6th grade little girl should receive a questionable injection that was brand spanking new. Texans were outraged and sued!! Your father needs to understand that this was all about money. Mandating this shot for little girls was to be very profitable for Merck and Perry had Merck all over his office. Can anyone say KICKBACK? This is exactly the same meme replayed with Cintra when Perry pushed the toll roads that are all over the place now. A certain Cintra lobbyist went between working for Cintra, working for Perry and back again to Cintra. He has now started one of Perry's SuperPACs.

Perry is as dirty as dirty can be and is a liar to the nth degree.

Here are some other links for you to check out:
http://r3publican.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/the-real-rick-perry-or-a-great-list-of-perry-follys/
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=316541804421
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/rick-perrys-immigration-journey-could-haunt-presidential-race.php
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/rick-perry/
http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/slush-fun
http://www.newswithviews.com/Nelson/kelleigh127.htm
http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/10909/rick-perry-cleaned-records-for-thousands-of-sex-offenders

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308429-How-TX-Gov.-Rick-Perry-Grew-Government-Jobs-More-Than-Twice-The-Rate-Of-The-Private-Sector

[erowe1]

If health care is the responsibility of the government, why not just support Obama?

[Agorism]

Immigration is his weakest point

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308374-Rush-Limbaugh-Now-Rick-Perry-no-longer-an-amnesty-supporter

Also he has poo polling in Texas. 43% approval.

There is also an opening to wedge the Catholic vote against him as they tend to have a lot of problems with Hagee and some of his past statements.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Rick Perry went around the Texas legislature to institute a law requiring mandatory Gardasil shots for girls ages 11 to 12. Merck is the manufacturer of the vaccine who through it's PAC donated $6,000 to Rick Perry's reelection campaign. Rick Perry's former chief of staff is now a lobbyist for Merck.

Gardasil is now know to cause death in some cases.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216714/Schoolgirl-14-dies-given-cervical-cancer-jab.html


Tell your father-in-law he supports the murder of innocent young girls so that a politician can make a little money for his reelection campaigns.

[tsai3904]

Ask him if he knows what Rick Perry's views are on Iraq and Afghanistan. Ask him what Perry thinks of the Federal Reserve. If he can't answer those questions, ask how he can support someone without knowing where they stand on those important issues.

[FrankRep]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/09aApril/rickperrystateofstate-t-ap.001.jpg



Texas Governor Rick Perry isn't what he seems, for though he promotes himself as a conservative, he is anything but.


Rick Perry's Texas Record (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/6984-rick-perrys-texas-record)


Kelly Holt | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
05 April 2011

[AGRP]

3. Me: Rick Perry supported the trans-Texas corridor.
Him: Well, the people didn't like it so he let them vote on it and they said no so it's not happening. He's fair and let's the people decide on things like that.
Ask him if attempted murder is an nonpunishable crime and indicates nothing about the character of the person who did it if the victim lives :rolleyes:

[Dianne]

Just have him do a search about the Bilderberg Group and their secret meetings for one world government, inter alia. Perry is one of them.... sort of like the Stepford Wives.

[wgadget]

1. In 1988, Perry not only "supported" ALGore, he ran his Texas campaign! The very next year, 1989, he met Karl Rove and became a Republican. The support for ALGore was not minor support, and the changeover to GOP was anything but gradual. He's a political opportunist hack.

[angelatc]

Ask him what he likes about Perry.

[wgadget]

A full 52% of TEXANS disapprove of Rick Perry's performance as governor. WHY? And only 33% of Independents approve. Translation: He can NOT win the general election.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/11242/ppp-polls-texas-lukewarm-on-perry-bid

[libertybrewcity]

don't try to attack, get him to talk. ask him what Rick Perry's positions are? Ask him what he thinks about his tax plan or spending plan? Medicare, social security?
Ask him WHY he likes Rick Perry? Make him sound like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Get him talking and he will mess about people he probably knows nothing about Perry except his nice looking hair.

[Zachary]

Tell your father that Merck was the only company that made that vaccine and that Perry's son worked for them.Also his former Chief of Staff had become a lobbyist for Merck!

[wgadget]

Perry also squiggled around the anti-TSA Groping bill that so many Texans were in favor of. I think he conveniently let the time expire on it, after dragging his feet, and being FOR it before he was AGAINST it, and then FOR it. Lots of pissed Texans.

[wgadget]

Ask him what he likes about Perry.

He has "charisma" and great hair, no doubt.

{Face-palm.}

[Valli6]

2. Me: Rick Perry tried to force young girls to take the Gardasil vaccine.
Him: Well, kids already have to take vaccines before they can start school. It's for their own safety.

This vaccine was for a sexually transmitted disease and he mandated - by executive order - that all girls 6th grade and up must take it. Furthermore Merk hired Perry's former chief of staff Mike Toomey, as a lobbyist, then had him lobby on their behalf. Also Merk donated to Perry's campaign.


Rick Perry's Ties With Merck Run Deep AUSTIN (AP) -- Gov. Rick Perry ordered Friday that schoolgirls in Texas must be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, making Texas the first state to require the shots.

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/5546651.html

[wgadget]

Don't forget to tell him that Scary Perry supported TARP and even penned a letter saying so.

Of course he was FOR it until he was AGAINST it.

[wgadget]

This vaccine was for a sexually transmitted disease and he mandated - by executive order - that all girls 6th grade and up must take it. Furthermore Merk hired Perry's former chief of staff Mike Toomey, as a lobbyist, then had him lobby on their behalf. Also Merk donated to Perry's campaign.

I think a lot of religious conservatives were up in arms about the whole thing, too. Prolly Tea Party folks. The idea that Perry is Tea Party is about as laughable as the idea that he is Anti-Establishment. Both are being pushed. WOW. He's definitely got the big money behind him. Nothing that TRUTH can't conquer.

[JCLibertarian]

Here's a link to a website that gives 14 points on why Rick Perry would make a bad president.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president

I will just outline a couple of important points that might be more important to conservatives.
#1 Rick Perry is a "big government" politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.
#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.
#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?
#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a "track record" of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.
#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore's campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

[wgadget]

Here's a link to a website that gives 14 points on why Rick Perry would make a bad president.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president

I will just outline a couple of important points that might be more important to conservatives.
#1 Rick Perry is a "big government" politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.
#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.
#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?
#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a "track record" of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.
#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore's campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

Re #12...I believe that illegal immigrants get in-state tuition rates in Texas because of Rick Perry.

[Anti Federalist]

Perry endorsed this guy in 2007.

Mr. "Freedom is about ceding your rights to lawful authority".

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/2006-11-15_Rudy_Drag.jpg

Perry endorses Giuliani despite differences on abortion rights
Wednesday, October 17, 2007

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/state&id=5712105

(10/17/07 - WASHINGTON) -- Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday won the endorsement of Texas Gov. Rick Perry, despite their differences on abortion rights.

Perry, an abortion opponent, said his biggest concern had been Giuliani's support for abortion rights but that he was satisfied Giuliani would appoint judges who view the issue conservatively.

"The one (issue) that I wanted to hear him give me an answer and look me right in my eyes was that issue of who can I expect, what type of individual can I expect on the Supreme Court," Perry said at a news conference with Giuliani.

"He clearly said ... you can look for people like Scalia and Roberts and Alito. Let me tell you, I can live with that," Perry said, referring to conservative Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts.

Perry said when he buys a pickup truck, he doesn't rule it out simply because it has one option he doesn't like.

Giuliani, who is addressing social conservative voters this weekend in Washington, said he wants conservatives to focus on areas where he agrees with them.

"I'm not going to get every vote," he said. "The idea is going to be that there's enough we agree about and enough we're facing -- foreign threats and domestic problems -- that it may just be if they think about it, that I'm the best candidate."

"What I really want is a relationship in which we respect each other, even if we disagree," Giuliani said.

[sevin]

This is all very helpful. I definitely didn't know enough about Perry, but now I'm doing some reading. I should be able to have a better discussion with him next time.

I don't know exactly why he likes Perry so much. He can't give many good reasons. I know he read his book, "Fed Up," and has been sold on him ever since.

[LibertyEagle]

This is all very helpful. I definitely didn't know enough about Perry, but now I'm doing some reading. I should be able to have a better discussion with him next time.

I don't know exactly why he likes Perry so much. He can't give many good reasons. I know he read his book, "Fed Up," and has been sold on him ever since.

Perry's record does not match his rhetoric.

[Lothario]

you can't win someone over to a new philosophy by arguing different examples or specific situations - there's a million different branches that all stem from the same root. Argue logic, rationality, and truth - all you have to do is change the root of the belief and all the million different objections that stem from it will disappear.

[blocks]

Maybe tell him he covered up his execution of an innocent man?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uz8HTojMYk