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Anti Federalist
08-12-2011, 09:37 PM
And I don't use that word flippantly.

His obdurate demeanor, his refusal to even examine capital punishment cases in Texas, and arguably using the process to further his own career makes him an evil and dangerous man.



Why Is Rick Perry the Poster Boy for Limited Government?

Friday, August 12th, 2011

Radley Balko

Salon’s Justin Elliott riffs on that appalling “It takes balls to execute an innocent man” comment from a Texas GOP focus group participant, and wonders if the Cameron Todd Willingham case may actually help Rick Perry in the GOP primary. As Elliott points out, it almost certainly isn’t going to hurt him. And that’s bad enough.

I’d like to hear some of the more thoughtful conservatives lining up behind Perry weigh in on this. Here’s how I see it: A state government has no more awesome, complete, or solemn power than the power to execute its own citizens. If you’re going to claim to loathe big government, this is one area where you ought to be more skeptical of government than any other. Hell, if for no other reason than that it can’t be undone.

The problem here isn’t necessarily that Perry presided over the execution of a man who was likely innocent. If Perry had shown some concern about what happened in the Willingham case, maybe set up an investigation into what went wrong, perhaps even attempted to suspend executions in Texas until he could be sure checks were in place to prevent the execution of an innocent, the way George Ryan did in Illinois—if he’d done any of that, he’d at least have shown some appropriate skepticism. He’d have shown that he’s at least cognizant of the fact that government employees in law enforcement and criminal justice are just as fallible and subject to the trappings of power, bureaucracy, and public choice theory as government employees in, say, tax collection or the regulation of business.

Instead, Perry couldn’t even acknowledge the possibility of doubt about Willingham’s guilt. He justified his stubbornness by pointing out that Willingham also allegedly beat and was verbally abuse toward his wife, as if that were at all relevant to Willingham murder trial. (Unfortunately, lots of men beat their wives. Most of them don’t also burn their children alive.) More importantly, Perry’s pivot to a “Willingham was a bad man” defense glosses over the most alarming aspect of Willingham’s case, which is much bigger than Willingham: The state of Texas used completely bogus forensic evidence to convict a man in a capital case. (The state also used testimony from a fraud psychologist in the death penalty portion of Willingham’s trial, as it had in dozens of other trials.) If that was allowed to happen here, it has happened in other cases, and in other contexts. Worse, when the state’s forensics committee attempted to investigate Willingham’s execution, Perry replaced the committee members pushing for an investigation with new members more sympathetic to prosecutors.

Perry was confronted with the possibility that the government over which he presided may have abused it’s most awesome and sacred power. And instead of skepticism of government, he showed deference. Instead of demanding transparency, he actively obfuscated. Instead of exposing and demanding accountability for a possibly historical government error, Perry used his own power to keep himself and his constituents ignorant, lest they begin to question whether government should have such power. And it’s not as if there aren’t ample other examples of the flaws with Texas’ death penalty and its criminal justice system. Hell, Texas has one county that that has seen more exonerations than all but a few states.

If it helps, think of the the death penalty as a “government program.” It’s one thing to support this government program. It’s something else to refuse to believe your favorite government program could ever do wrong. And it’s downright pathological to be so confident in your favorite government program’s infallibility that you actively undermine an investigation into said government program’s possible flaws.

And he’s doing it again. In the Hank Skinner case, Perry has actively fought DNA testing that could confirm the innocence (or guilt) of another Texas man on death row. Skinner was at one point hours from execution before the Supreme Court intervened (the intervening justice was Antonin Scalia, believe it or not). In Skinner’s case, the prosecution actually began to conduct DNA testing on crime scene evidence, then stopped when the first tests confirmed Skinner’s version of events. Perry again justified willful ignorance in this case by simply noting that he’s personally convinced of Skinner’s guilt. As if there aren’t dozens of examples of what appeared to be clearly guilty people who were later exonerated by DNA. With Skinner, Perry is not only choosing willful ignorance over transparency, he’d rather risk executing another innocent person than possibly undermine support for the government’s power to execute its citizens.

I understand the law and order instinct on the right. I also understand why people support the death penalty. But you can hold both of those positions and still be disgusted by Rick Perry’s actions in the Willingham and Skinner cases. In fact, I’d say that if you’re going to claim the banner of limited government with any integrity, you damned well ought to be.

sofia
08-12-2011, 09:55 PM
and dont forget the shameless manner he rigged a religious revival event just days before his entrance into the race!

ghengis86
08-12-2011, 09:58 PM
Can we just call him Gardasil Rick from now on?

GunnyFreedom
08-12-2011, 09:59 PM
It's a good thing that I do not know the identity of that asshat who said “It takes balls to execute an innocent man,” or I might earn myself one heluva lot of trouble. :mad:

Badger Paul
08-12-2011, 10:02 PM
Evil? One look at him should tell you the answer to that question.

Valli6
08-12-2011, 10:17 PM
and dont forget the shameless manner he rigged a religious revival event just days before his entrance into the race!
Really, how did he get away with this? It's so obvious he was using God to attract voters. How sleazy can you get?

bunklocoempire
08-12-2011, 10:45 PM
Ugh. Thanks AF.

I just permanently left (voluntarily) a gun forum over a "Christian" mod posting a load of Perry gun pics titled 'Perry joins race' and the resulting fallout when I opened my mouth.

Authoritarianism, boasted "Christian faith", quiet prejudice, fear, and deadly force all combined creep me the hell out.

Evil describes Perry perfectly.

The evil that Perry stirs in folks hearts is certainly the proof.



Bunkloco

ghengis86
08-12-2011, 10:50 PM
Really, how did he get away with this? It's so obvious he was using God to attract voters. How sleazy can you get?

you're asking the religous that buy into Gardasil Perry's religous pandering, correct?

MikeStanart
08-12-2011, 10:59 PM
I met him in 1999 when he was Lieutenant Governor, about to take over for Bush. He was a slimy, douche back then and still is now. For the record, I looked forward to meeting him, had no idea who he was, and he treated me and my brothers rudely.

Agorism
08-12-2011, 11:01 PM
Limbaugh is now openly carrying his water as well.

Vessol
08-12-2011, 11:08 PM
Rick Perry is a sociopath, without a doubt.

KingRobbStark
08-12-2011, 11:15 PM
Rick Perry is a mixture of Trump (hair/stupidity) and Giuliani (stupidity). Not a very good mixture...

scrosnoe
08-12-2011, 11:34 PM
Can we just call him Gardasil Rick from now on?

Governor Gardasil is so much more polished and fitting of a globalist statist don't you think?!

WarNoMore
08-13-2011, 12:15 AM
Wow, so it was Rick Perry who let Willingham be executed. One of the saddest stories I've read about. To have your kids die in a fire is bad enough, but then to get blamed, imprisoned, and murdered for it? Unbelievable. And Perry's learned nothing from that? Who exactly are you praying to Rick?

Warrior_of_Freedom
08-13-2011, 12:46 AM
And he supports molesting children. I wonder if he puts on a mask so he can touch them himself.

Dianne
08-13-2011, 03:18 AM
Just posted this on another link, but Perry is a long time member of the Bilderberg Group, who are also carrying his water:

Perry should be greatly feared. It will be as though we traded one Obama for another Obama.

http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-approved-perry-set-to-become-presidential-frontrunner/

ClayTrainor
08-13-2011, 04:07 AM
Sounds like he's perfect for the Job of Mob Boss/President.

bunklocoempire
08-13-2011, 04:13 AM
Just posted this on another link, but Perry is a long time member of the Bilderberg Group, who are also carrying his water:

Perry should be greatly feared. It will be as though we traded one Obama for another Obama.

http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-approved-perry-set-to-become-presidential-frontrunner/

I hear ya, but not feared. Despised, planned for, anticipated, but not feared -never ever feared.


Bunkloco

affa
08-13-2011, 04:36 AM
he sure looks the part. evil, that is.

Warrior_of_Freedom
08-13-2011, 04:45 AM
He has the George Bush eyes. Sad part is, I bet a lot of people will fall for this crap, especially because all he does all day is mention God.

wgadget
08-13-2011, 07:25 AM
Shouldn't the title read, "Why is Rick Perry the Poster Boy for UNlimited Government"?

wgadget
08-13-2011, 07:28 AM
He has the George Bush eyes. Sad part is, I bet a lot of people will fall for this crap, especially because all he does all day is mention God.

Hell, SATAN mentions God, too.

Nate
08-13-2011, 07:59 AM
I hear ya, but not feared. Despised, planned for, anticipated, but not feared -never ever feared.


Bunkloco

+rep

Fear is the mind killer.

libertarian4321
08-13-2011, 09:20 AM
Rick Perry is a mixture of Trump (hair/stupidity) and Giuliani (stupidity). Not a very good mixture...

Rick Perry was a solid "C-" student at Texas A&M. He's almost as smart as Palin.

Icymudpuppy
08-13-2011, 10:15 AM
Wait, Wait, Wait......

Sooooooooo.

Rick Perry is Danno?

Imaginos
08-13-2011, 10:35 AM
Perry is evil?
Does the Sun rises in the East?

silentshout
08-13-2011, 10:44 AM
He is very creepy, with a theocratic touch. no thanks.

Occam's Banana
08-13-2011, 11:14 AM
it's a good thing that i do not know the identity of that asshat who said “it takes balls to execute an innocent man,” or i might earn myself one heluva lot of trouble. :mad:
+rep!!

Anti Federalist
08-13-2011, 01:24 PM
Wow, so it was Rick Perry who let Willingham be executed. One of the saddest stories I've read about. To have your kids die in a fire is bad enough, but then to get blamed, imprisoned, and murdered for it? Unbelievable. And Perry's learned nothing from that? Who exactly are you praying to Rick?

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/PFHPL01lg.jpg

josh b
08-13-2011, 04:26 PM
In the Hank Skinner case, Perry has actively fought DNA testing that could confirm the innocence (or guilt) of another Texas man on death row.

He fought against a measure that would have helped to determine the truth? Wow, I'm not sure what to say to that.

Valli6
08-13-2011, 05:03 PM
DICK Gregory just said Rick Perry has tea party credentials

Anti Federalist
08-13-2011, 05:47 PM
He fought against a measure that would have helped to determine the truth? Wow, I'm not sure what to say to that.

Is Texas About To Execute Another Innocent Man?

State officials would rather kill a prisoner than give him a DNA test.

http://reason.com/archives/2010/02/22/is-texas-about-to-execute-anot

(snip)

Skinner's scheduled lethal injection comes shortly after Texas Gov. Rick Perry has removed sympathetic panelists from the state forensic committee's investigation into the case of Cameron Todd Willingham and replaced them with panelists critics say are stymieing the investigation. Willingham was executed in 2003 for murdering his three daughters by setting fire to his house. Nine arson experts and an investigation published in the New Yorker last year have since made a strong case that Willingham was innocent of the crime.

At the same time, Texas, a notoriously enthusiastic enforcer of the death penalty, continues to lead the nation in DNA exonerations (one county in Texas has produced more genetic exonerations than all but three states). Which makes it all the more disturbing that biological evidence from Skinner’s crime scene remains untested, at the behest of prosecutors and backed up by the courts. You’d think given recent headlines that Texas might be a bit more reluctant to execute a possibly innocent man.

josh b
08-13-2011, 07:42 PM
Is Texas About To Execute Another Innocent Man?

State officials would rather kill a prisoner than give him a DNA test.

http://reason.com/archives/2010/02/22/is-texas-about-to-execute-anot

(snip)

Skinner's scheduled lethal injection comes shortly after Texas Gov. Rick Perry has removed sympathetic panelists from the state forensic committee's investigation into the case of Cameron Todd Willingham and replaced them with panelists critics say are stymieing the investigation. Willingham was executed in 2003 for murdering his three daughters by setting fire to his house. Nine arson experts and an investigation published in the New Yorker last year have since made a strong case that Willingham was innocent of the crime.

At the same time, Texas, a notoriously enthusiastic enforcer of the death penalty, continues to lead the nation in DNA exonerations (one county in Texas has produced more genetic exonerations than all but three states). Which makes it all the more disturbing that biological evidence from Skinner’s crime scene remains untested, at the behest of prosecutors and backed up by the courts. You’d think given recent headlines that Texas might be a bit more reluctant to execute a possibly innocent man.

What a sociopathic douchebag! What was his excuse for this? What the hell was going on in his head?

WarNoMore
08-13-2011, 07:46 PM
He fought against a measure that would have helped to determine the truth? Wow, I'm not sure what to say to that.

Who needs the truth when you have faith? Of course if he had faith he might've read John 8:32: "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Anti Federalist
08-14-2011, 12:05 AM
What a sociopathic douchebag! What was his excuse for this? What the hell was going on in his head?

Two things:

1 - Cops and prosecutors are always right.

2 - No political good will come out of trying to save a "scumbag" on death row, even if said scumbag is innocent. (that is why he is evil)

Everybody remembers the petty facist who locks up half the town to get "tough on crime".

Nobody remembers the person that works tirelessly a decade after the fact trying to get some of those people out of prison or off death row, because they were railroaded by a bunch of corrupt cops and prosecutors.

blocks
08-14-2011, 01:33 AM
Was gonna make a new thread then saw this one

Here's a video of CNN's report about Perry's cover-up of the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uz8HTojMYk

Anti Federalist
08-14-2011, 11:15 AM
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moderate libertarian
08-14-2011, 01:13 PM
He can't be evil if he is a man of god like Bush.

We had a president recently who used to take advice on foreign policy/Iraq war from a higher father as he himself stated.

http://shoutsfromtheabyss.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bush-prayer1.jpg

Now there is a chance that GOP religious crusaders may pick another man whose foreign policy is dictated by god.


WAR ROOM
Thursday, Aug 11, 2011 11:29 ET

"My faith requires me to support Israel"

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/08/11/perry_israel_faith/md_horiz.jpg
Rick Perry

Foreign Policy's Josh Rogin has an informative look at how Rick Perry is aligning himself with some of the most neoconservative veterans of the Bush administration:


The experts that he has reached out to include former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, former NSC strategy guru William Luti, former Assistant U.S. Attorney and National Review columnist Andrew McCarthy, former Pentagon official Charles "Cully" Stimson, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Europe Daniel Fata, former Pentagon China official Dan Blumenthal, the Heritage Foundation's Asia expert Peter Brookes, and former U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalizad.


He also digs up an interview Perry gave to the Weekly Standard in 2009 in which the Texas governor explicitly said his views on the Middle East are informed by his evangelical Christianity:


"My faith requires me to support Israel."


That's a remarkable statement for a man who could be president -- being required by one's faith to support a foreign country. Of course, what "support" means is open to interpretation; I've asked Perry's office for elaboration.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/11/perry_israel_faith

Anti Federalist
08-14-2011, 01:20 PM
Foreign Policy's Josh Rogin has an informative look at how Rick Perry is aligning himself with some of the most neoconservative veterans of the Bush administration:

The experts that he has reached out to include former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, former NSC strategy guru William Luti, former Assistant U.S. Attorney and National Review columnist Andrew McCarthy, former Pentagon official Charles "Cully" Stimson, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Europe Daniel Fata, former Pentagon China official Dan Blumenthal, the Heritage Foundation's Asia expert Peter Brookes, and former U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalizad.

And the system marches on, left boot, right boot.

That's a partial list of "they", us conspiracy folks talk about all the time and who maintain "they" are the ones running really running the show.

And they are, but they put on an elaborate theater every so often to get you hyped to fall in line and pick "your" team, to make it appear as if you have a say so in any of this shit.

A - War and socialism.

B - Socialism and war.

Choose A or B.

pcosmar
08-14-2011, 01:37 PM
DICK Gregory just said Rick Perry has tea party credentials

yeah well,
it's likely just a coffee stain. (or Kofi stain) He is more Globalist than grass root.

parocks
08-14-2011, 09:53 PM
Can we just call him Gardasil Rick from now on?

Gardasil Rick is one of the best choices available. Bilderberg Rick is also a good choice.

You also can simply replace the word "Perry" with the word "Gardasil" or the word "Bilderberg".

For instance, "pundits are saying that the top 3 are now Romney, Bachmann and Gardasil."

Tarzan
08-14-2011, 10:38 PM
Sorry for the cross post... Rick Perry handouts

http://gilbert-american.com/ronpaul/perry8.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?309034-Rick-Perry-Playing-Card-sized-Handouts)

Carehn
08-14-2011, 10:47 PM
Evil!!!

That can't be. He loves Jesus. He said so himself. Also he supports Israel. What evil man would support Israel? You people don't know what your talking about.

amonasro
08-15-2011, 12:56 AM
Maybe we ought to just strike at the jugular: The fact that he is allegedly gay, or at least has tendencies. He has the entire establishment backing him, why not use the deadliest weapon we have? It's going to hurt Bachmann big time pretty soon. Liberals will be using this argument ad nauseum if he wins the nomination; why shouldn't we lead the charge?

Anti Federalist
08-15-2011, 10:07 AM
Maybe we ought to just strike at the jugular: The fact that he is allegedly gay, or at least has tendencies. He has the entire establishment backing him, why not use the deadliest weapon we have? It's going to hurt Bachmann big time pretty soon. Liberals will be using this argument ad nauseum if he wins the nomination; why shouldn't we lead the charge?

It would stand to reason that's why the establishment backs him.

If the system does not have a full quiver of blackmail arrows on you, you are not allowed to proceed.