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low preference guy
08-12-2011, 02:52 PM
Ron Paul is being attacked very strongly. Beck went all out today scaring his listeners that Ron's foreign policy is going to result in another holocaust. See here (http://www.therightscoop.com/beck-ron-paul-is-dead-wrong-about-the-middle-east/)and here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308243-Rush-Limbaugh-Ron-Paul-is-going-to-destroy-this-party.-Glenn-Beck-also-attacks.).

So we need to counterattack. I believe we must convey these two points:

1. Israel will be safer under a Ron Paul presidency because he will not put restrictions on what they can and cannot do to defend themselves. An example of this is when Israel attacked Iran's nuclear facilities in 1987 and Ron Paul was the only one who defended them.

2. Ron Paul served in the military and has received more donations from military personnel than all other candidates combined. Ron Paul knows the troops and the troops support Ron Paul.

Hopefully RevolutionPac will use their infrastructure to convey these points. Running ads with this same message on the Rushbo show would be great. Another thing one could do is call radio stations (Beck, Limbaugh, Levin) so that their listeners know of a different opinion after the host attacks Ron.

A possible third point is that cutting all foreign aid cuts money going to Israel enemies seven times more than it cuts money going to Israel.

ExPatPaki
08-12-2011, 03:03 PM
An example of this is when Israel attacked Iran's nuclear facilities in 1987 and Ron Paul was the only one who defended them.


Change the 'n' to a 'q'.


A possible third point is that cutting all foreign aid cuts money going to Israel enemies seven times more than it cuts money going to Israel.

It's a good argument, but its completely false. The US does not support Israel's enemies at all. If the US did, we would be funneling money to Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas.

realtonygoodwin
08-12-2011, 03:03 PM
Ron Paul is being attacked very strongly. Beck went all out today scaring his listeners that Ron's foreign policy is going to result in another holocaust. See here (http://www.therightscoop.com/beck-ron-paul-is-dead-wrong-about-the-middle-east/)and here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308243-Rush-Limbaugh-Ron-Paul-is-going-to-destroy-this-party.-Glenn-Beck-also-attacks.).

So we need to counterattack. I believe we must convey these two points:

1. Israel will be safer under a Ron Paul presidency because he will not put restrictions on what they can and cannot do to defend themselves. An example of this is when Israel attacked Iran's nuclear facilities in 1987 and Ron Paul was the only one who defended them.

2. Ron Paul served in the military and has received more donations from military personnel than all other candidates combined. Ron Paul knows the troops and the troops support Ron Paul.

Hopefully RevolutionPac will use their infrastructure to convey these points. Running ads with this same message on the Rushbo show would be great. Another thing one could do is call radio stations (Beck, Limbaugh, Levin) so that their listeners know of a different opinion after the host attacks Ron.

A possible third point is that cutting all foreign aid cuts money going to Israel enemies seven times more than it cuts money going to Israel.

+rep

low preference guy
08-12-2011, 03:05 PM
Change the 'n' to a 'q'.


Thanks

Kords21
08-12-2011, 03:09 PM
I think it's also be a good point to show people hard numbers on the aid money that Israel and it's enemies get from us. It's one thing to say they get 7 times the aid, but show them hard numbers and they can't argue it after that.

ExPatPaki
08-12-2011, 03:10 PM
I think it's also be a good point to show people hard numbers on the aid money that Israel and it's enemies get from us.

Which enemies? I was not aware that Hezbollah, Iran and Hamas got US funding.

Agorism
08-12-2011, 03:20 PM
I don't like getting drawn into obtuse arguments about Israel's safety.

Just say we're cutting the funds for all these countries and that's it. Nothing else needs to be said.

kill the banks
08-12-2011, 03:29 PM
see tomwoods.com ... tom woods comments on those who say , "I like ron paul except for his foreign policy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLUoWhWsOWk&feature=player_embedded#at=507 perhaps Tom might have suggestions if contacted

KingRobbStark
08-12-2011, 03:35 PM
The PAC needs to do a lot of things. To bad it doesn't have the funds.

AGRP
08-12-2011, 08:55 PM
Two very great points.

GunnyFreedom
08-12-2011, 08:57 PM
Change the 'n' to a 'q'.



It's a good argument, but its completely false. The US does not support Israel's enemies at all. If the US did, we would be funneling money to Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas.

You are mistaken. RP usually says "three times" but a fact checking org didn't believe him, checked his numbers, and came back at seven times.

ExPatPaki
08-12-2011, 11:25 PM
You are mistaken. RP usually says "three times" but a fact checking org didn't believe him, checked his numbers, and came back at seven times.

Right. But we are working from a false premise that countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan are Israel's "enemies".

Only the media and politicians in this country label the leaders of countries like Jordan, Saudi, Egypt as Israel's "enemies". The actual citizens of those countries view their leaders (and rightfully so) as friends of Israel.

They are in fact not enemies of Israel. Their leaders have attacked Iran, along with Palestinian groups and civilians. That's why Israel does not call for nuclear genocide against Saudi, like they do against Iran.

When America starts funding Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah,then that statement that America funds Israel's enemies can be true.


US diversions

In the past three decades, Arab leaders allied with the United States (and even the few who were not) have been telling their peoples that Iran, Shia, Sunni Islamists, the Palestinian people and their wretched cause, among others, are the reason for the hardship of Arabs. Indeed this conjuring up of enemies started with the US-Saudi-Kuwaiti plan to subcontract an all-out war against revolutionary Iran, as the enemy of Arabs, which was launched by Saddam Hussein in 1981 to defend America's oil wells - and which resulted by 1988 in the death of one million Iranians and 400,000 Iraqis.

In the meantime, and since the late 1960s, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon have engaged in wars with the Palestinian guerrillas and against Palestinian civilians, whom they identified as the enemy. Egypt launched a war against Libya when Sadat was in power, and later, under Mubarak, against its own Islamists and against the Palestinian people. Indeed even Algeria was conjured up as the enemy of Egyptians in Mubarak's last year on the throne.

Saudi Arabia, while repressing all of its population in the name of Wahabism, has not stopped hatching various plans (and plots) since 1982 to bring Israel into the Arab fold. When President Obama peddles the Israeli lie, that his pro-Israel advisors at the White House - and there has been no other kinds of Middle East advisors at the White House since the Clinton administration - feed him, that "too many leaders in the region tried to direct their people's grievances elsewhere. The West was blamed as the source of all ills, a half-century after the end of colonialism. Antagonism toward Israel became the only acceptable outlet for political expression," to which leaders is he actually referring? Sadat, Mubarak, Ben Ali, Kings Hussein and Abdullah II of Jordan, Kings Hasan II and Muhammad VI of Morocco, President Bouteflika, any of the Gulf monarchs or the two Hariri prime ministers, Rafiq and Saad?

Not only are such lies not believable to anyone in the wider world, but also, were the US administration to believe them, explain the ongoing foreign policy failures in a region the US insists on dominating - but which it refuses to learn much about.


Emperor Obama vs the Arab people (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/2011521115956696675.html)