NATIONAL USA Today/Gallup Poll: Ron Paul in 3rd place with 14%, Bachmann in 4th with 13%

[sailingaway]

But NOTE the order of how they are reported!


In the GOP contest to challenge Obama, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney continues to lead the field, at 24%, but a potential candidate who hasn't entered the race yet is in second place.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who has been exploring a presidential campaign, ranks behind Romney at 17%. Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, who like Perry appeals to many Tea Party supporters and Christian evangelicals, is fourth at 13%.

In third place is Texas Rep. Ron Paul, at 14%. No other Republican candidate breaks into double digits. Former House speaker Newt Gingrich is at 7%, businessman Herman Cain at 4%, former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty at 3%, former Utah governor Jon Huntsman at 2%, and former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum at 1%.

Perry narrowly leads Romney among Tea Party supporters, 23% to 22%. Bachmann claims 19% of members of the Tea Party movement.
The poll of 1,521 adults, taken Thursday through Sunday, has a margin of error of +/-4 percentage points.

Poll: Will anti-Congress mood cause another 'wave' election?



http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2011-08-08-poll-gallup-election_n.htm?csp=34news

[JamesButabi]

You can tell by the wording and paragraph structure it really pains them to have to mention Ron Paul.

[sailingaway]

You can tell by the wording and paragraph structure it really pains them to have to mention Ron Paul.

They really are doing their best to pretend 4th comes before 3rd....

[SilentBull]

LOL! These people have no idea what else to do. They are running out of ideas. Ron Paul will win!

[sailingaway]

soo.... I wonder what this does to Ron's RCP average?

[LadyBastiat]

They really are doing their best to pretend 4th comes before 3rd....

Diet Mtn. Dew spewed from my nose upon reading this sentence.

[gls]

...and the average USA Today reader is probably dumb enough to fall for it

[MRoCkEd]

More great news!

Now Ron Paul is polling in third place in Iowa AND nationally.

[ItsTime]

He's catching on.

[trey4sports]

They really are doing their best to pretend 4th comes before 3rd....

yeah, that was pretty funny. I had to reread the snippet to make sure i didn't miss something.

[anaconda]

This is friggin huge. I can't believe that most of the comments on this thread are about USA Today slighting Ron, and not that he has emerged nationally within 9 points of mittens and third place. 16% in Iowa was great news, but I had wondered how long it would take Ron to poll similar numbers nationally. I just got my answer: NO TIME!

[ItsTime]

This is friggin huge. I can't believe that every comment on this thread is about USA Today slighting Ron, and no one seems to care that he has emerged nationally within 9 points of mittens and third place. 16% in Iowa was great news, but I had wondered how long it would take Ron to poll similar numbers nationally. I just got my answer: NO TIME!

I dont know about others, but Im not surprised. This is how I thought it would go. We will be around 20% in another 3 months.

[Agorism]

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[sailingaway]

In a morbid sense, the economy is 'coming our way'.... or doing what Ron predicted if they didn't shape up.

Wake up call time.


How did Perry go from 12 to 13%?

Maybe rounding?

Part of Bachmann's drop, I expect, from people still not doing their homework.

[trey4sports]

i'm ready for Perry to jump in so we can start breaking him down, and begin our ascent into the top 2. Until Perry is vetted we will hover around 3rd place.

P.S. i wonder what effect the TV ads had on the campaign?

[LadyBastiat]

This is friggin huge. I can't believe that most of the comments on this thread are about USA Today slighting Ron, and not that he has emerged nationally within 9 points of mittens and third place. 16% in Iowa was great news, but I had wondered how long it would take Ron to poll similar numbers nationally. I just got my answer: NO TIME!

You're right Anaconda, but sometimes its just so infuriating that when its our candidate they just can't report the numbers the same way they would if it was the "establishment" candidate. Ron's polling numbers are totally awesome and there is a real chance he can sweep this thing away. I'm cautiously optimistic about Ames. I'm nearly certain he'll place at least 3rd but in my heart of hearts I want him in first and nothing but first lol.

[Agorism]

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Thought this was Rass poll.

[anaconda]

You can tell by the wording and paragraph structure it really pains them to have to mention Ron Paul.

I disagree. I read the article and it makes sense that they mentioned Bachmann directly after Perry, because it provided more continuity in the article. Bachmann has been very popular lately, and it made sense to mention her directly after Perry because the implication is that Perry is cutting in on her turf, and it more smoothly explains her lower numbers now. The very next sentence and paragraph boldly stated that Ron Paul was third with 14%.

[Agorism]

O this is Gallup lol.

I thought this as the Rasmussen poll nm.

[anaconda]

We will be around 20% in another 3 months.

God in Heaven, if you're right, the attack machine will be over the top against Ron. I almost can't even think about it.

[Nate]

16% in Iowa, 14% nationally!! I'm ecstatic! I only dreamed of getting these numbers for the 07-08 campaign when I was walking door to door in Iowa during the winter & working 16 hours a day in the war room while only seeing 5% on a good day. I can't wait to take my 6 month leave of absence in 3 months, I'm going to volunteer all of my time to the campaign while paying my own way. President Paul is going to be nice to say. :D

[anaconda]

The thing that's unique about Ron is that his numbers are steadily growing. I see this as highly significant.

[truthdivides]

I can't believe we are at 14% nationally!

[trey4sports]

You're right Anaconda, but sometimes its just so infuriating that when its our candidate they just can't report the numbers the same way they would if it was the "establishment" candidate. Ron's polling numbers are totally awesome and there is a real chance he can sweep this thing away. I'm cautiously optimistic about Ames. I'm nearly certain he'll place at least 3rd but in my heart of hearts I want him in first and nothing but first lol.


I think 7500 votes would for sure win it, and should be our goal. With all the different schemes and shadow campaigns and such it will be interesting to see the actual numbers that pan out.

Ron is trending upward on Intrade as well. He was up from 25 to 33% in the last day or so.

[Agorism]

Drudge bomb!


http://blog.prospect.org/blog/ezraklein/drudge0508.jpg


Make sure you caption it for him: Ron Paul surging nationally. lol

Or perhaps Paul surges ahead of Bachmann.

[Romulus]

Is Gallup credit worthy? I want to get excited... I think this is a good reason to do so! Bachmann is finally deflating too!! Look for Perry to surge but we will remain steady and tear him down (we should start now!)

[truthdivides]

soo.... I wonder what this does to Ron's RCP average?

Up from 8.6% to 9.4%

[Jingles]

Do they just toss a random number that is in the 20% range behind Romney's name for these things? I have yet to meet a SINGLE human being that supports this man. Not even the most NeoCon of NeoCons that have met or know... Does anyone know anyone that supports Romney? I just don't even

[trey4sports]

Do they just toss a random number that is in the 20% range behind Romney's name for these things? I have yet to meet a SINGLE human being that supports this man. Not even the most NeoCon of NeoCons that have met or know... Does anyone know anyone that supports Romney? I just don't even


Romney supporters are typically the country club GOP voters. Generally, upper class

[Inkblots]

Do they just toss a random number that is in the 20% range behind Romney's name for these things? I have yet to meet a SINGLE human being that supports this man. Not even the most NeoCon of NeoCons that have met or know... Does anyone know anyone that supports Romney? I just don't even

He's got the robot vote locked up tight, given that he's a cyborg himself.

[amonasro]

Is Gallup credit worthy? I want to get excited... I think this is a good reason to do so! Bachmann is finally deflating too!! Look for Perry to surge but we will remain steady and tear him down (we should start now!)

Hecks yeah they're creditworthy!

Great news! RP at 14% nationally!!!!!!

[Romulus]

Do they just toss a random number that is in the 20% range behind Romney's name for these things? I have yet to meet a SINGLE human being that supports this man. Not even the most NeoCon of NeoCons that have met or know... Does anyone know anyone that supports Romney? I just don't even

It's not something they're proud of.. kind of like Bachmann's husband.. very much in the closet.

They are the one's who say, "I like Ron Paul but he can't win".

[Agorism]

Think of how many tv interviews the Paul's have done in the last 4 years. Guess it's adding up slowly over time.


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We can't lose a free headline!

[Napoleon's Shadow]

He's catching on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30yxHqSUva8

[harikaried]

Up from 8.6% to 9.4%
How did you calculate that? I get 9.6%.
14 + 10 + 9 + 8 + 8 + 9 + 9 = 67
average: 9.57

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

[PastaRocket848]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30yxHqSUva8

that video still makes me shudder to this day.

[Agorism]

Anyone submit it to drudge?

[TNforPaul45]

So is this the first National poll that he has come in 3rd in? Sorry I've not kept up all that well. :(

If so...woohoo!

[KEEF]

So they put how Romney, Perry, and Bachman sit with the TEA Party, but where are Paul's TEA Party numbers in this article?

[parocks]

Do they just toss a random number that is in the 20% range behind Romney's name for these things? I have yet to meet a SINGLE human being that supports this man. Not even the most NeoCon of NeoCons that have met or know... Does anyone know anyone that supports Romney? I just don't even

I know a Romney supporter. Yes, they're country club Republicans. Or, old Republicans from the Northeast. Those who preferred Rockefeller to Goldwater in 64. They complain about Obama, because he's inexperienced. They don't think the government is too big.

[sailingaway]

So is this the first National poll that he has come in 3rd in? Sorry I've not kept up all that well. :(

If so...woohoo!

The first within striking distance of the leader. If he was in third before he was distant.

[pauliticalfan]

In the money folks. Big news.

Full steam ahead.

[truthdivides]

How did you calculate that? I get 9.6%.
14 + 10 + 9 + 8 + 8 + 9 + 9 = 67
average: 9.57

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

14 + 10 + 9 + 8 + 9 + 9 + 7 = 66
Average: 9.43

The old Gallup poll will be replaced with the new one. You removed the ABC poll, which will still be there.

[Agorism]

Drudge bomb this result.

We need a headline.

[Mattsa]

I have to laugh because the British press is operating a total news blackout on Ron Paul in the media but I think Ron Paul is becoming too big for them to just pretend he doesn't exist

It's going to be very interesting if RP does well in Iowa

[brandon]

It would be really helpful if threads about poll results specified whether it is a national poll, state poll, or some other kind of poll.

[brandon]

This is freaking awesome. We are taking off.

[Todd]

How did Perry go from 12 to 13%?

Because he is now the chosen one. He just hasn't announced it yet.

[truthdivides]

14 + 10 + 9 + 8 + 9 + 9 + 7 = 66
Average: 9.43

The old Gallup poll will be replaced with the new one. You removed the ABC poll, which will still be there.

Looks like they removed the ABC one in addition to the old Gallup one.

RP's average is now 9.8%

[harikaried]

14 + 10 + 9 + 8 + 9 + 9 + 7 = 66
Average: 9.43

The old Gallup poll will be replaced with the new one. You removed the ABC poll, which will still be there.
Ah, I see what you did. But I believe their average is just of the 7 most recent polls.

Their Real Clear Politics now shows 9.6%:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

[Fermli]

debt ceiling debate must have boosted Ron a lot.

[White Bear Lake]

Do they just toss a random number that is in the 20% range behind Romney's name for these things? I have yet to meet a SINGLE human being that supports this man. Not even the most NeoCon of NeoCons that have met or know... Does anyone know anyone that supports Romney? I just don't even


I've been wondering this same thing. I can't say I've seen anyone genuinely behind him. Just going from the people I know, Paul and Bachmann would be the clear frontrunners. They're the two with the buzz and popularity around them. I haven't heard a peep from anyone in support of Romney. Same thing with Pawlenty until last week. Apparently this one girl I know from high school, good looking but not the brightest bulb if you know what I mean, has decided she's the biggest Pawlenty supporter ever. She's been filling everyone's facebook wall up with a new Pawlenty news stories or video every three hours. I was like, "lolwut? where did that come from?"

[Working Poor]

Do they just toss a random number that is in the 20% range behind Romney's name for these things? I have yet to meet a SINGLE human being that supports this man. Not even the most NeoCon of NeoCons that have met or know... Does anyone know anyone that supports Romney? I just don't even

No I don't either I guess it i all the Stepford Wives supporting the Stepford Presidential candidate.

[Diashi]

Do they just toss a random number that is in the 20% range behind Romney's name for these things? I have yet to meet a SINGLE human being that supports this man. Not even the most NeoCon of NeoCons that have met or know... Does anyone know anyone that supports Romney? I just don't even

I actually work with his niece, who says she will vote for him - which is understandable since they're family. Other than that, he's a flat-liner.

Check this out, just for fun. (http://www.google.com/trends?q=ron+paul%2C+mitt+romney%2C+michele+bachma nn&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0)

The media may be ignoring Paul, but Mitt's organic support base hardly exists.

[BUSHLIED]

Well there it is. Proof that Ron Paul is not (was not) a fringe candidate, a long-shot, or only just appeals to a small-base of fanatical rabid supporters. Ron has finally shattered the single-digits. This takes away the media's ability to continue to ignore him by mentioning the top three and say everyone else is in single digits. I only hope that he continues to poll in double-digits (except FOX polls of course) here on out. Now coming in at a close second doesn't hurt Ron as much because it is clear he has decent national support. My take was that we needed to win IOWA SP to get a bump in the polls to 15% or so...but now that we are already there, the SP win or second will still give him a bump even if it is only several percentage points to say 17%-18%...those numbers with Perry getting will keep Paul in the top three because when Perry gets in the race tightens and Romney and Bachmann will drop some...everyone will be in striking distance of each other...I can't wait for the debates!!!!

You won't see anyone break 30%....you'll have a horserace that looks something like this:

Romney-25%
Bachmann-22%
Paul-18%
Perry-17%

and in some cases they all may trade places in different polls...

The key poll will be the NH primary poll just following the IA straw poll...I haven't seen a NH poll for over a month now...if Ron can get up to 20%....the fight is ON!!!

[sorianofan]

I actually work with his niece, who says she will vote for him - which is understandable since they're family. Other than that, he's a flat-liner.

Check this out, just for fun. (http://www.google.com/trends?q=ron+paul%2C+mitt+romney%2C+michele+bachma nn&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0)

The media may be ignoring Paul, but Mitt's organic support base hardly exists.

The Mitt does have supporters. People who have no conviction, that do no research, and don't read the news.

[mac_hine]

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4e3ff4b7ecad04065800002e/enraged-newsweek-cover-goes-out-of-its-way-to-make-michele-bachmann-look-insane.jpg
^^^ Scary crazy

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1435/1479581078_80201a07be.jpg
^^^ It's gonna happen

[freejack]

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4e3ff4b7ecad04065800002e/enraged-newsweek-cover-goes-out-of-its-way-to-make-michele-bachmann-look-insane.jpg
^^^ Scary crazy


Stuff of nightmares.

[IndianaPolitico]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1435/1479581078_80201a07be.jpg[/QUOTE]
Made me smile... Part of me thought that maybe another candidate would steal Dr. Paul's thunder and push him down the polling list, nice to see that part of me is wrong. This may sound wierd, but it is kind of hard to describe my feelings right now. There is REAL hope for America, Ron Paul CAN win!

[Brett85]

This is great. I sure hope this trend continues, but I have a habit of being pessimistic on these sort of things. Like others have said, now that Ron is moving up in the polls the attack dogs are really going to start coming out.

[Bordillo]

we need to have lulzsec hack all the media sites and just put pauls pic

[justatrey]

Do they just toss a random number that is in the 20% range behind Romney's name for these things? I have yet to meet a SINGLE human being that supports this man. Not even the most NeoCon of NeoCons that have met or know... Does anyone know anyone that supports Romney?

I have been thinking the same thing, but I'm afraid that the people who support him are also the ones who actually show up and vote. Probably in the 55 - 70 demographic who base their opinions from what they see on television, if I had to guess.

[KramerDSP]

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4e3ff4b7ecad04065800002e/enraged-newsweek-cover-goes-out-of-its-way-to-make-michele-bachmann-look-insane.jpg
^^^ Scary crazy

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1435/1479581078_80201a07be.jpg
^^^ It's gonna happen

45th. Not 44th.

[trey4sports]

nice mag cover!

[Hospitaller]

45th. Not 44th.


Nope 44th is correct, a non consective president was counted twice in the early 20th century, i forget the name

[klamath]

As the economy get's worse voters are starting to look outside the box for someone with new ideas. Who has always been outside the box?

[QueenB4Liberty]

He's catching on.

I tell ya!

[RedLightning]

Heres $25 for 3rd place.

Thank you!
Thank you for your generous donation!


Amount: $25.00
Transaction ID: 301143367
Transaction date/time: 2011-08-08 21:33:05

[Cutlerzzz]

Nope 44th is correct, a non consective president was counted twice in the early 20th century, i forget the name

Grover Cleveland, though he was actually from the late 19th century(off the top of my head I believe he was president 1884-88 and 1892-96).

[KramerDSP]

Nope 44th is correct, a non consective president was counted twice in the early 20th century, i forget the name

Yep, Grover Cleveland was (I think) the 22nd and the 24th President of the US. But Ron Paul, if elected, would become the 45th President of the United States.

[KramerDSP]

To clarify, Ron would be the 44th person taking the office of the Presidency, but he would still be the 45th President.

[georgiaboy]

it's as if his polling were linked to the price of gold or something.

[realtonygoodwin]

That fake magazine cover is dated 2008, which is why it says 44th.

[AlexAmore]

As if my sleep wasn't shitty enough. Now with the debates, straw poll, and an actual chance to win this. I NEED A SEDATIVE!!!!

[BlackTerrel]

This is friggin huge. I can't believe that most of the comments on this thread are about USA Today slighting Ron, and not that he has emerged nationally within 9 points of mittens and third place. 16% in Iowa was great news, but I had wondered how long it would take Ron to poll similar numbers nationally. I just got my answer: NO TIME!

+1. This is what I'd call "striking distance".

[Dustancostine]

He's catching on.

I'm telling ya.

[limequat]

Made me smile... Part of me thought that maybe another candidate would steal Dr. Paul's thunder and push him down the polling list, nice to see that part of me is wrong. This may sound wierd, but it is kind of hard to describe my feelings right now. There is REAL hope for America, Ron Paul CAN win!

I know whatcha mean! This could actually happen...

[kill the banks]

best news yet

[jabrownie]

so, out of announced candidates, paul is in second place.

[iamjackscolon]

It seems that they've fixed their wording.

In the GOP contest to challenge Obama, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney continues to lead the field, at 24%, but a potential candidate who hasn't entered the race yet is in second place.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who is exploring a presidential campaign, ranks behind Romney at 17%. Texas Rep. Ron Paul is third at 14%, followed by Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann at 13%.

No other contender breaks into double digits.

Former House speaker Newt Gingrich is at 7%, businessman Herman Cain 4%, former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty 3%, former Utah governor Jon Huntsman 2% and former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum 1%.

[Agorism]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQAKRw6mToA

[gjdavis60]

This is friggin huge. I can't believe that most of the comments on this thread are about USA Today slighting Ron, and not that he has emerged nationally within 9 points of mittens and third place. 16% in Iowa was great news, but I had wondered how long it would take Ron to poll similar numbers nationally. I just got my answer: NO TIME!

Interesting. USA Today has changed the text in the article (put Ron's name in front of Bachmann's) and seems to have made the comments to this story inaccessible.

[Ball]

Can someone please explain to me why Bachmann is popular?

[anaconda]

Can someone please explain to me why Bachmann is popular?

She's the poster child for anti-Obama rhetoric in the main stream media and a caricature for the religious right (which many are still curious about). She's a woman (which people are yearning for to hold high office), and, for many, a very physically attractive person.

[SimpleName]

This is getting REALLY exciting. COME ON RONNY!

[bunklocoempire]

Originally Posted by Ball
Can someone please explain to me why Bachmann is popular?


She's the poster child for anti-Obama rhetoric in the main stream media and a caricature for the religious right (which many are still curious about). She's a woman (which people are yearning for to hold high office), and, for many, a very physically attractive person.

Very astute.

I would add her plight appeals to chivalry, defend a womans honor, not hands on chivalry mind you, but wannabe no effort chivalry.

Not even on par with mmorpgs.

Seen alot of that with '08 Palin too -sacrifice but with no sacrifice, much like the wars.

Fantasy sacrifice. Disturbing and disgusting.:(:mad:

Bunkloco

[randomname]

fair coverage on WSJ blog:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/08/09/poll-romney-keeps-the-lead/?mod=e2tw

[Occam's Banana]

Perry narrowly leads Romney among Tea Party supporters, 23% to 22%. Bachmann claims 19% of members of the Tea Party movement.


So they put how Romney, Perry, and Bachman sit with the TEA Party, but where are Paul's TEA Party numbers in this article?

That's one of the first things I wondered about when I read this.
They leave 36% of the Tea Party's support unaccounted for.

[MarcNY]

The reason why is these guys kept putting in Sarah Palin..... Take her out and now Ronnie is getting the votes.

[goldmonger]

Rich Perry, awe snap. His brother beat him to the race!

[raiha]

They really are doing their best to pretend 4th comes before 3rd....

:D:D

[Dianne]

Goooooooooo Ron !!!!!

[DamianTV]

They really are doing their best to pretend 4th comes before 3rd....

Not difficult to do.

In the late 1960's during the Olympics, the most publicized race (at the time) had taken place. Two of the Key Contenders were runners from the United States, and another runner from the former U.S.S.R. A Russian Newspaper reported that the outcome of the race was that the Russian Runner came in 2nd Place, and the American came in 2nd to Last Place. An American Newspaper simply reported that the American came in First Place. Neither of the Newspapers actually LIED, they told two different sides of the same story. But how could that be? Well, there was one little fact omitted in the Russian Newspaper, which Ommission of Facts isnt technically lying, but it twists the perceived outcome to be something that it is not. The Ommitted Fact was that there were only Two People in the Race. 2nd to Last Place IS First Place in a Two Man Race.

If people can understand that little bit of fiction there and how it works, people can understand how the reported 3rd Place probably really is 1st Place. He who votes has no power at all, while the single person who counts the votes has all the power in the world. We have no control over how the votes are counted, and we assume that they are being honest in their findings. And we all know what is said about those who 'Assume'.

[Occam's Banana]

And we all know what is said about those who 'Assume'.
Just in case some of us don't know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hrLj8QEAgI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hrLj8QEAgI

[Anti Federalist]

Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, who like Perry appeals to many Tea Party supporters and Christian evangelicals, is fourth at 13%.

In third place is Texas Rep. Ron Paul, at 14%.

It's probably already been addressed, I'm just getting back to speed, but, who the hell writes such a sentence, posting fourth before third.

[Anti Federalist]

Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
They really are doing their best to pretend 4th comes before 3rd....


:D:D

Ah yes, I knew I couldn't be the only one.

[AGRP]

It's probably already been addressed, I'm just getting back to speed, but, who the hell writes such a sentence, posting fourth before third.

Someone whos career depends on it.